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Fulchrum posted:That it's a situation that worked out for them does not make it a situation they wanted. You are seriously going to try and claim that the rich didn't fund Jeb Bush and try to take down Trump? I'm going to claim that it's irrelevant. They're the ones setting the GOP agenda, and Trump got into the White House by making a lot of angry noises while still parroting it pretty much 100% and pandering like crazy to people who were born and raised on their propaganda. They poured a lot of money into one guy to advance their interests, and now a different one is doing it instead. The only problem they have with him right now is that they're worried he's going to cost them a second term by overplaying his hand. Are you seriously going to try and claim that rich people are not the ones at the helm of the Republican Party?
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Somfin posted:Jeb was out of the race long before anyone took Trump seriously you loving moron. His whole schtick- which was a con, btw- was that his campaign was self-funded so he wasn't beholden to Big Business and lobbyists. People didn't take Trump seriously until November 9th you poo poo. Besides, Jeb dropped out after getting ounded into the dirt by Trump in South Carolina. Trump 100% beat him out of the race.
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loquacius posted:I'm going to claim that it's irrelevant. They're the ones setting the GOP agenda, and Trump got into the White House by making a lot of angry noises while still parroting it pretty much 100% and pandering like crazy to people who were born and raised on their propaganda. They poured a lot of money into one guy to advance their interests, and now a different one is doing it instead. The only problem they have with him right now is that they're worried he's going to cost them a second term by overplaying his hand. Are you seriously going to try and claim that rich people are not the ones at the helm of the Republican Party? No, Bannon is. If the rich people were at the helm Trump wouldn't be trying to start a trade war and putting up travel bans.
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Fulchrum posted:People didn't take Trump seriously until November 9th you poo poo. Besides, Jeb dropped out after getting ounded into the dirt by Trump in South Carolina. Trump 100% beat him out of the race. Which proves your point that the rich were defensively funding Jeb!... How, exactly?
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Somfin posted:Which proves your point that the rich were defensively funding Jeb!... How, exactly? Is this implying that they gave him all that money just to watch it burn? We know they gave him $150 million, so what the hell is your point, that we have no proof they gave it to him because they wanted him to win?
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:
*LATEST FAD. That's some good Drunky Duck poo poo.
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Sandpuppy posted:
 It wasn't the intent, but this person looks super badass. Cool shades, sparkling bling, does-not-give-a-gently caress expression. Its a pretty boss hat, too.
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Fulchrum posted:No, Bannon is. If the rich people were at the helm Trump wouldn't be trying to start a trade war. Well, first off, I don't believe Trump will actually start a trade war, because he has too many rich friends who will make personal appeals to him to not do it because they would lose money Second off, Trump has made dozens of policy decisions which are p blatantly just handjobs for rich people, are you not paying attention? And lastly I don't really see how a guy who got into power by parroting right-wing propaganda having a crazy idea really contradicts the fairly basic and widely-agreed-upon thesis that the Republican Party serves the interests of the rich first and foremost
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My question is, are the fish and rat supposed to be transspecies or something? WTF is he getting at with that?
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loquacius posted:Well, first off, I don't believe Trump will actually start a trade war, because he has too many rich friends who will make personal appeals to him to not do it because they would lose money
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Fulchrum posted:And how many of those are also betrayals of white supremacy? Or are you not going to admit that these overlap with nearly all of the decisions he has made between white supremacy and corporate handjob? The objective fact that Donald Trump is a racist does not have anything to do with my core assertion that the Republican Party represents the interests of the rich You are not having the same conversation as everyone else
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loquacius posted:The objective fact that Donald Trump is a racist does not have anything to do with my core assertion that the Republican Party represents the interests of the rich Mainly because people keep backing out of the conversation when it hits a point they are uncomfortable with. What has he done that is not apart of Steve Bannon's white supremacist agenda? Also, admit they are not just the party of the rich, they are the party of white Supremacy, a position that both their policies and rhetoric clearly support.
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Fulchrum posted:Mainly because people keep backing out of the conversation when it hits a point they are uncomfortable with. The rich have been nurturing and encouraging people's racist impulses for decades as one of their tactics. It is one of Trump's main tactics, because he is a huge racist. You're still not really getting it.
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You are still refusing to admit that they are the party of white Supremacy and never do anything whatsoever unless it directly benefits the rich.
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Fulchrum posted:You are still refusing to admit that they are the party of white Supremacy and don't ever do anything whatsoever unless it directly benefits the rich. I am refusing no such thing. I've said repeatedly that appealing directly to people's racist impulses is one of their key strategies. and the second thing I'm apparently still refusing to admit is my own argument 
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Okay, pray tell, who is it that directly - not indirectly, but directly - makes money off of outlawing abortions. And it's not just appealing to racist impulses, it's writing racist laws. They don't just nurture white supremacy, they are white supremacists. Admit it.
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loquacius posted:I am refusing no such thing. I've said repeatedly that appealing directly to people's racist impulses is one of their key strategies. WHY CAN'T WE TALK ABOUT WHITE SUPREMACY, Fulchrum cries, bursting into a ten year old's birthday party. "Sir," says one child solemnly, "we just were."
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Fulchrum posted:Okay, pray tell, who is it that directly - not indirectly, but directly - makes money off of outlawing abortions. The people who get Republican lawmakers into office using anti-abortion rhetoric who then shape all of their policy decisions around giving handjobs to the rich. quote:And it's not just appealing to racist impulses, it's writing racist laws. They don't just nurture white supremacy, they are white supremacists. Admit it. Yes. Most rich people are in fact deeply racist. That's why they're so comfortable appealing to racism. I admit it. Are we done now?
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loquacius posted:The people who get Republican lawmakers into office using anti-abortion rhetoric who then shape all of their policy decisions around giving handjobs to the rich. Directly. Adverb. With nothing or no one in between. Try again. quote:Yes. Most rich people are in fact deeply racist. I admit it. Just acknowledge that the Republican party is the party of white Supremacy. It is not just talk, it's an active part of their policies. Admit that.
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Wait so we could bring creationists on board by simply considering whether God did it? Result: mixture reacted violently Question: did God make it happen Analysis: probably not Edit: Fulchrum posted:Directly. Adverb. With nothing or no one in between. Actually, convince me. Your hysterical insistence is actually making me really suspicious of your motives. Skippy Granola fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Fulchrum posted:Directly. Adverb. With nothing or no one in between. The people funding Republicans are the ones who profit off of Republicans being in office. Directly. I really don't see how I can make this any simpler for you. quote:Did you just imply poor people aren't ever racist? No quote:Just acknowledge that the Republican party is the party of white Supremacy. It is not just talk, it's an active part of their policies. Admit that. It is one of their planks, because the rich people driving their policies use it to advance their interests. This would make no sense if they didn't base their policy around it. I admit it. Are we done yet?
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Skippy Granola posted:Actually, convince me. Considering his use of "leftists" as an insult there is a 100% chance that he is a jilted Trump voter
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Improbable Lobster posted:Considering his use of "leftists" as an insult there is a 100% chance that he is a jilted Trump voter Nah, I posted in C-SPAM last year and can assure you that Fulchrum is a Clinton diehard through and through. Technowolf posted:Why haven't you two put fulchrum on ignore yet? The ignore function is for the weak 
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Fulchrum posted:Is this implying that they gave him all that money just to watch it burn? We know they gave him $150 million, so what the hell is your point, that we have no proof they gave it to him because they wanted him to win? We have direct proof that your assertion, specifically that the rich were funding Jeb! in order to help him beat Trump, is false. You have admitted this. Given your fetish for making things simple and clear cut, this seems pretty solid. Or are you going to say that you didn't really mean Trump so much as you meant every other Republican challenger? In which case, why pick Jeb! instead of Cruz?
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Technowolf posted:Why haven't you two put fulchrum on ignore yet? Clearly I'm a fool who can't stop wrestling greased pigs, ok?
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loquacius posted:The people funding Republicans are the ones who profit off of Republicans being in office. Directly. I really don't see how I can make this any simpler for you.
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loquacius posted:The ignore function is for the weak I used to think like you. Young, reckless. Thought I could take on anything the forums could throw at me. I might not be the fastest Ignore on the forums but I hit it where it counts.
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Fulchrum posted:So the Republican party does not solely pursue policy that only benefits the rich and is opposed by all other groups. Almost as if the rich do not solely dictate the parties agenda, like the rich aren't controlling it and instead are some kind of a.....? Come on, you can work this out, they're not dictating everything about it, they're a.....? ...group of people who use their copious resources to direct a political party's agenda in order to pander to a number of splinter groups to get a certain stripe of politician into office who will serve their interests. Are we done yet?
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Fulchrum posted:So the Republican party does not solely pursue policy that only benefits the rich and is opposed by all other groups. Almost as if the rich do not solely dictate the parties agenda, like the rich aren't controlling it and instead are some kind of a.....? Come on, you can work this out, they're not dictating everything about it, they're a.....? Ooo Ooo a White Supremacist Agenda, right? (Can we talk about cartoons again now?)
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loquacius posted:Nah, I posted in C-SPAM last year and can assure you that Fulchrum is a Clinton diehard through and through. using ignore is weak but a part of that is knowing when you're just making noise instead of a point, and you are hella making noise so is deak btw, but he's clearly too stupid to see that so it falls on you to just walk away
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Somfin posted:We have direct proof that your assertion, specifically that the rich were funding Jeb! in order to help him beat Trump, is false. You have admitted this. Given your fetish for making things simple and clear cut, this seems pretty solid. And because Jeb! Was more corporate friendly while Cruz was pure theocracy. Didn't stop them eventually turning to Cruz as the only Never Trump option left. Also they may be heartless monsters but even they don't like Ted Cruz.
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cis autodrag posted:Nobody uses "transexual" outside of porno or insulting trans people anymore either. "Transgender" is the preferred term as "transexual" can imply it's a sexual orientation (like heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual, pansexual, etc) and also has some weird porn contexts attached to it unfortunately. Baby steps. She's 60+, and came to me with an earnest question. I didn't feel it the time to correct language. Especially when there's comics like the one you quoted still pushing that it's all the same, and it's all deviant. I was a little proud of her, really, because she's been becoming more conservative Christian as she gets older 
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loquacius posted:...group of people who use their copious resources to direct a political party's agenda in order to pander to a number of splinter groups to get a certain stripe of politician into office who will serve their interests. They aren't directing poo poo. They tried to direct the primary, it completely blew up in their face. So again, they are not the all powerful overlords who dictate the every breath of the Republican party but are instead a...?
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mandatory lesbian posted:using ignore is weak but a part of that is knowing when you're just making noise instead of a point, and you are hella making noise There is wisdom in this post Fulchrum, I've wasted far too much time on this argument, and we're clearly never going to see eye-to-eye on this, but I urge you to consider that progressive policy frequently involves taking action against the interests of the rich, and suffice to say the rich have considerable means which they have proven all too willing to use to protect those interests. Just try to take that into account. You don't have to make it your be-all end-all. Just remember that class exists, and it's important. Remember that class is a factor. That's all I want. Be intersectional about it. I'm not even trolling now. This is a heartfelt plea. e: parting shot, Trump is in fact utilizing the same agenda the rich have been propagandizing into people for decades, but I'm only saying that now because I've said it multiple times already.
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