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Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

Kavros posted:

Uhh, yes. Cutter. God damnit.

Same question in general still stands: what do people on the beta train think is going to be the best gunner setup weapons?

To be fair if you look at their roles the names should be switched.

And I am definitely having a gimmick Macross missile spam Cutter for MC fun.

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Mercurius
May 4, 2004

Amp it up.

Kavros posted:

Uhh, yes. Cutter. God damnit.

Same question in general still stands: what do people on the beta train think is going to be the best gunner setup weapons?
Gunner's a weird role at the moment because large Multicannons and huge weapons in their entirety don't actually exist in a turreted form right now so you're somewhat limited in what you can use. As N4I says, missiles and torpedoes are fantastic fun for the gunner since you can shoot them in any direction (especially if you have pack-hounds and a Cutter) but laser turrets are boring (albeit effective), turreted cannons didn't get the projectile speed increase that fixed did so it's hard to hit anything, frags are fun but they're super close range, railguns/PACs are fixed only so they're completely out along with large multicannons.

Here's hoping for turreted versions of all weapons that have a gimballed version going forwards since it'd fix all this stuff but from a realistic perspective I think most people are going to want to fly the ship-launched fighters instead of being the gunner.

Pontificating Ass
Aug 2, 2002

What Doth Life?
I found him, boys

Knifegrab
Jul 30, 2014

Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.
So I thinking of selling my warthog thrustmaster. I am just kind of sick of it. The buttons and triggers are too annoying to depress, needing way too much force which just makes my hand hurt after long play sessions. The switches are kind of unreliable too. The whole thing is metal except the gimbal which is plastic which is bonkers.

So my question is, what is the best HOTAS for elite?

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Sintax posted:

I found him, boys


Expert
Clean

no

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Knifegrab posted:

So I thinking of selling my warthog thrustmaster. I am just kind of sick of it. The buttons and triggers are too annoying to depress, needing way too much force which just makes my hand hurt after long play sessions. The switches are kind of unreliable too. The whole thing is metal except the gimbal which is plastic which is bonkers.

So my question is, what is the best HOTAS for elite?

Warthog. :D

…but the T.16000 seems to get a lot of positive reviews, although the slide throttle rubs some people the wrong way.

Eldragon
Feb 22, 2003

Knifegrab posted:

So I thinking of selling my warthog thrustmaster. I am just kind of sick of it. The buttons and triggers are too annoying to depress, needing way too much force which just makes my hand hurt after long play sessions. The switches are kind of unreliable too. The whole thing is metal except the gimbal which is plastic which is bonkers.

So my question is, what is the best HOTAS for elite?

CH Fighterstick has been very good to me. I should probably buy the throttle sometime, but I'm too addicted to my programmable keypad.

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

Knifegrab posted:

So I thinking of selling my warthog thrustmaster. I am just kind of sick of it. The buttons and triggers are too annoying to depress, needing way too much force which just makes my hand hurt after long play sessions. The switches are kind of unreliable too. The whole thing is metal except the gimbal which is plastic which is bonkers.

So my question is, what is the best HOTAS for elite?

its a super personal choice, it's just a visceral thing and a lot depends on if you have VR or not

i love my x52 pro but i also got it at a $100 discount because it was mis priced and i think it is also pre-logitech hardware but ymmv

Vecna
Feb 14, 2007

Knifegrab posted:

So I thinking of selling my warthog thrustmaster. I am just kind of sick of it. The buttons and triggers are too annoying to depress, needing way too much force which just makes my hand hurt after long play sessions. The switches are kind of unreliable too. The whole thing is metal except the gimbal which is plastic which is bonkers.

So my question is, what is the best HOTAS for elite?

I have the CH products Fighterstick and Pro Throttle and they feel as new as the day before Elite came out when I bought em. They have a generic plastic feel to them but they have all the buttons I need, and they're easy to configure with their software, CH control center. Costs a pretty penny, but seeing how you blew some serious cash on that thrustmaster as is, shouldn't be an issue.

My buddy has the T16000 HOTAS. He still hasn't gotten around to configuring a single button but they have a solid feel to them.

Blind Rasputin
Nov 25, 2002

Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

Flying an anaconda with an AI fighter pilot is so so rad. The drift on the anaconda is awesome. Really feels like a huge ship. It feels like cheating though, melt everything, never worry about shields.

Is there a fighter command that makes it so it will auto fire on whatever target you're firing on?

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

Blind Rasputin posted:

Flying an anaconda with an AI fighter pilot is so so rad. The drift on the anaconda is awesome. Really feels like a huge ship. It feels like cheating though, melt everything, never worry about shields.

Is there a fighter command that makes it so it will auto fire on whatever target you're firing on?

IIRC fire-at-will does this. You can also bind fighter commands to a keyboard press.

One in the Bum
Apr 25, 2014

Hair Elf

Blind Rasputin posted:

Is there a fighter command that makes it so it will auto fire on whatever target you're firing on?

No. You have to select each new target and then reissue the focus target command or it defaults back to defensive.

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

Krycek posted:

No. You have to select each new target and then reissue the focus target command or it defaults back to defensive.

Naw the free for all or whatever it is called lets it target anything that's red to you.

timn
Mar 16, 2010

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

IIRC fire-at-will does this. You can also bind fighter commands to a keyboard press.

This is pretty effective in RES because only the ships you're actually messing with will be marked hostile. But in a CZ your AI pilot will run around and shoot at whoever.

But really the correct answer for CZs is to give your AI buddy the keys to your overengineered deathship and let them sort the situation out.

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



timn posted:

This is pretty effective in RES because only the ships you're actually messing with will be marked hostile. But in a CZ your AI pilot will run around and shoot at whoever.

But really the correct answer for CZs is to give your AI buddy the keys to your overengineered deathship and let them sort the situation out.

AI buddy puts 4 pips in engine

timn
Mar 16, 2010
I'm rolling in a corvette with dirty drives so, yes that's correct.

One in the Bum
Apr 25, 2014

Hair Elf

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Naw the free for all or whatever it is called lets it target anything that's red to you.

It will target anything that's red, but not necessarily what your own ship is targeting. So if you want it to always be on your target, you have to reissue the focus command each time your main ship changes targets.

One in the Bum
Apr 25, 2014

Hair Elf

Daztek posted:

AI buddy puts 4 pips in engine

This. I wish they wouldn't mess with pip settings.

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable
Should I be worried about getting rolled back for quince sploiting?

apropos man
Sep 5, 2016

You get a hundred and forty one thousand years and you're out in eight!
Do you mean somehow having your account reverted to before Quince?

I don't see why you should have to pay for simply using an exploit that's been coded into the game, whether intentionally or just by sloppy programming.

Anyway, I'm in the same boat ;)

CloFan
Nov 6, 2004

Finally upgraded my Keelback (and got out from under the insurance payment :doh:), gonna jump to Quince with my 4A FSD and try to make some cash before patch. Having a fighter is so fuckin' cool

I use a pre-MadCatz Saitek X52, and I love how the thing was pretty much plug-and-play with sensible bindings. No idea what modern saitek hardware is like, but I love the way this game feels with a hotas. I'm going to take it to my buddy's Vive setup and try it out, I bet it feels like the future

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable

apropos man posted:

Do you mean somehow having your account reverted to before Quince?

I don't see why you should have to pay for simply using an exploit that's been coded into the game, whether intentionally or just by sloppy programming.

Anyway, I'm in the same boat ;)

yeah, gonna be sad if I get my new anaconda taken away.

I'm just upset there is no federation equivalent because boxy ships are infinitely cooler than star wars episode 1 eldar looking trash.

INTJ Mastermind
Dec 30, 2004

It's a radial!
The meta is finding the exploit of the month and hammering that poo poo into the ground.

Breetai
Nov 6, 2005

🥄Mah spoon is too big!🍌
So what's the deal with quince?

apropos man
Sep 5, 2016

You get a hundred and forty one thousand years and you're out in eight!
I think I read on the frontier forums about people getting a stern email for combat logging and stuff before.

I haven't yet had an email about Quince (checked 10 mins ago), so I wouldn't worry about it. I managed to Quince it all the way to Cutter rank and I'm still making mad stacks of cheddar.

Blind Rasputin
Nov 25, 2002

Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

If they roll back quince (why would they?) I'd be so mad.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I've been giving this game a good long look since I like space sims and my bar is really low (I like No Mans Sky a whole lot)

The only thing that's giving me pause is that there seems to be a lot of emphasis on EVE online-esque fuckery like ganking which I'm concerned about. Is it really that bad?

Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Mar 15, 2017

Morter
Jul 1, 2006

:ninja:
Gift for the grind, criminal mind shifty

Swift with the 9 through a 59FIFTY

Fojar38 posted:

I've been giving this game a good long look since I like space sims and my bar is really low (I like No Mans Sky a whole lot)

The only thing that's giving me pause is that there seems to be a lot of emphasis on EVE online-esque fuckery like ganking which I'm cool about. Is it really that bad?

I don't know what you mean but you don't generally have to worry about (online) ganking.

Mr. Crow
May 22, 2008

Snap City mayor for life

Fojar38 posted:

I've been giving this game a good long look since I like space sims and my bar is really low (I like No Mans Sky a whole lot)

The only thing that's giving me pause is that there seems to be a lot of emphasis on EVE online-esque fuckery like ganking which I'm cool about. Is it really that bad?

They're both space games that's where the similarities begin and end.

CloFan
Nov 6, 2004

All the people online I've come across have been pretty cool and some even team up to kill NPCs

Conskill
May 7, 2007

I got an 'F' in Geometry.

Fojar38 posted:

The only thing that's giving me pause is that there seems to be a lot of emphasis on EVE online-esque fuckery like ganking which I'm concerned about. Is it really that bad?

All PvP in noted single-player game Elite: Dangerous is optional. You're required to be on-line to participate in the background economic simulation, but other than that you can be in Solo mode and never encounter another soul.

The new patch is giving more of a reason to play with other people, though.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Fojar38 posted:

The only thing that's giving me pause is that there seems to be a lot of emphasis on EVE online-esque fuckery like ganking which I'm concerned about. Is it really that bad?
AFAIK the only ganking that happens is in response to certain community events or in one or two systems. But since you are always free to switch out to Solo mode or a private group you can interact with other real people as little as you like and avoid even the small possibility entirely.

Sard
May 11, 2012

Certified Poster of Culture.

Fojar38 posted:

I've been giving this game a good long look since I like space sims and my bar is really low (I like No Mans Sky a whole lot)

The only thing that's giving me pause is that there seems to be a lot of emphasis on EVE online-esque fuckery like ganking which I'm concerned about. Is it really that bad?

In all my time playing, I've been shot at by other players maybe five times. Not one of them ended up with me being dead, because if you know what to do then it's pretty easy to escape from a threat. The best way to evade interdiction—and this will all make more sense in context when you have the game—is to immediately submit to the interdiction, flip 180° to face your attacker, boost towards them with full power to shields, target a nearby star system and jump to it while keeping your engines facing away from your attacker at all times until your jump is charged up.

PVP is super rare, though. And even if you go to a place where it's concentrated, you can avoid it by paying attention to who is around you.

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

Fojar38 posted:

I've been giving this game a good long look since I like space sims and my bar is really low (I like No Mans Sky a whole lot)

The only thing that's giving me pause is that there seems to be a lot of emphasis on EVE online-esque fuckery like ganking which I'm concerned about. Is it really that bad?

please don't

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable
Jeez, do I need to turret everything on the conda? How could I hit anything otherwise?

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

CloFan posted:

I use a pre-MadCatz Saitek X52, and I love how the thing was pretty much plug-and-play with sensible bindings. No idea what modern saitek hardware is like, but I love the way this game feels with a hotas. I'm going to take it to my buddy's Vive setup and try it out, I bet it feels like the future

I, too, have an older X55 and (other than some order-of-installation fuckery with Win10 that if you mess up can leave it glitchy and completely unable to be calibrated) was really quite surprised that there were only a few minor thing I felt the need to adjust on the default setup. It's been great so far, and my biggest issue has been how to mount them on my desk comfortably.

The "modern" Saitek/Logitech stick is the X56 which, despite looking like a blue-painted version of the X55, is apparently pretty bad Chinese junk now. Amusingly, it means an older used X55 sells for about $100 more than a brand new X56.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Well, I went ahead and bought the game. Any tips for a fresh player?

Section 9
Mar 24, 2003

Hair Elf

DrDork posted:

The "modern" Saitek/Logitech stick is the X56 which, despite looking like a blue-painted version of the X55, is apparently pretty bad Chinese junk now. Amusingly, it means an older used X55 sells for about $100 more than a brand new X56.

I made the possibly dumb mistake of buying an x56. The first one that arrived had half the controls not working out of the box. Got it quickly and easily replaced through Amazon and haven't had too much problem with the replacement in the last 2 months. It's great for the number of controls and where they are located. I especially love the two small analog thumbsticks, one on the stick and one on the throttle. They are fantastic for thrusters, and also are great controls for the galaxy map when in VR. But from all the reviews I've read I'm expecting it to just crap out at any moment.
The throttle on it is oddly very stiff, but that actually hasn't been an issue in the game. I feel like it actually gives a little bit better control because you can't slam the throttle back and forth in a panic of overcompensation.

Mimesweeper
Mar 11, 2009

Smellrose

Fojar38 posted:

Well, I went ahead and bought the game. Any tips for a fresh player?

Before you worry about upgrading out of your newbie Sidewinder you should take advantage of the unlimited free replacements and goof around in it for a while.

You get 100% of the value of modules back when you resell them but only 90% of the total value of a ship when you sell a hull, so you can feel free to play around with loadouts and try stuff and fully upgrade whatever you have, then when you want to get rid of a ship and upgrade to something else remember to strip it down to cheapest components first to get more of your money back. It's not a big difference at first but you can save yourself millions with higher tier stuff.

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tooterfish
Jul 13, 2013

Fojar38 posted:

Well, I went ahead and bought the game. Any tips for a fresh player?
Always request docking permission.

Parking violations are a capital offence.

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