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cis autodrag posted:my favorite is that now that i have the real software dev title they are justifying paying me the salary of a fresh untrained hire despite being here for 5 years and programming continuously for the last 2 by saying "the responsibilities are harder at this level and you have to prove yourself", despite making me spend the last year working on projects that showed i could handle the responsibilities of a full dev. its total bullshit. im 2 weeks away from my sabbatical and then it's time to dish resumes. "We need you to be more available in the evenings." "That's after work ends. If it's related to a project that demands after hours support, we can arrange things in advance so that I'm aware." "We just need you to be more flexible, WOTBK." "Sorry, I like being with my family." *business promotes some idiot that is my junior above me because he has no willingness to say no to anything management wants* Salaried positions should be criminalized.
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Spazmo posted:swear to god one time I got "the company is investing in you, but you also need to invest in the company." lmao
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Mar 14, 2017 22:15
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Wrath of the Bitch King posted:"We need you to be more available in the evenings." lol
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Spazmo posted:swear to god one time I got "the company is investing in you, but you also need to invest in the company." oh cool so y'all will let me buy in like a partner?
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Mar 14, 2017 22:19
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what's a sabbatical exactly and how is it different from a vacation? is it defined in your contract?
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Mar 14, 2017 22:41
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Wrath of the Bitch King posted:"We need you to be more available in the evenings."
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Mar 14, 2017 22:44
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:what's a sabbatical exactly and how is it different from a vacation? is it defined in your contract? you dont get paid during that time but theoretically your job will be waiting for you when you return most places formally call it "unpaid leave" they of course can end your employment while you're on leave at any time if they want unless you have an employment contract but lol only executives have employment contracts in the us
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Mar 14, 2017 22:51
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:what's a sabbatical exactly and how is it different from a vacation? is it defined in your contract? i knew one architect who learned how to drive a 18 wheeler and did a long-haul run
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Mar 14, 2017 22:51
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JawnV6 posted:at intel, it was 8 weeks paid block after every 7 years. on top of your vacation for the year. thats very generous JawnV6 posted:i knew one architect who learned how to drive a 18 wheeler and did a long-haul run lol
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JawnV6 posted:i knew one architect who learned how to drive a 18 wheeler and did a long-haul run that guy rules.
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Mar 14, 2017 23:03
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Twerk from Home posted:when do your guys annual bonuses pay out? apparently ours are going to get paid out later than normal this year, end of april and i'm steamed because I was planning to give notice around then. every quarter 
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Mar 14, 2017 23:07
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ADINSX posted:That's the closest we get to a "bonus", basically our late pay in one lump sum, and they're thinking about getting rid of it... presumably raises would just take effect in march. last place I worked did this and they pushed it a little further back every year
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Mar 14, 2017 23:14
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we merged with another company last year and got this year's merit increased / bonus structure a few weeks ago; they flattened everyone's bonus down to 10% (from 15-20%) and added in a one-time % increase to base salary that was almost but not quite the difference. Which is really weird. I lost 5% and was given 4.7%. Like just a tiny little bit extra 'gently caress you' cherry on top not that it matters, as I and everyone else are getting laid off in may since we refused to relocate across the country
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Mar 14, 2017 23:15
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the fairest bonus structure i've ever seen was at a company where my dad worked for a long time, everybody got the same bonus and it was based purely on operating profit margins, so when the company did really well literally everybody top to bottom got a 17% bonus, if the company had no profit then nobody got anything
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Mar 14, 2017 23:20
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saying "profit sharing" during a performance review is almost, but not quite, as bad as mentioning unionization
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Mar 14, 2017 23:30
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Twerk from Home posted:the fairest bonus structure i've ever seen was at a company where my dad worked for a long time, everybody got the same bonus and it was based purely on operating profit margins, so when the company did really well literally everybody top to bottom got a 17% bonus, if the company had no profit then nobody got anything it's basically the opposite of fair but 
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old job did profit sharing with a formula like: 25% of profits split evenly among employees, 75% of profits split on a months-worked seniority basis that capped at 3 years (it was like a 5 year old company, probably this would change) I thought it was a ncie and fair way to do it, too bad they have trouble making a profit now lmao
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Mar 14, 2017 23:30
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my bonus is entirely KPI based because my company doesn't make any profit for tax reasons
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Mar 14, 2017 23:34
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Bhodi posted:flat poo poo like this is inherently regressive towards the lower end fyi, the guy at the top's bonus can be as high as the entire rest of the bonus payout combined ,the same reason a "flat tax" is also regressive as gently caress beats the poo poo out of structures in which more highly compensated employees also get larger bonus percentages!
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Mar 14, 2017 23:36
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how about better employees that are getting things done and contributing materially get a bigger bonus than their bad colleagues that are actively lighting fires?
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Mar 14, 2017 23:45
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what if I just convince the CEO that I'm getting things done and contributing materially. do I still get big bonuses under this plan?
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:what's a sabbatical exactly and how is it different from a vacation? is it defined in your contract? here it's every 5 years we get an extra 4 weeks off to take a trip anywhere we want and if it's to a country we haven't been to before they give you a 300 dollar per day stipend (less taxes) for it, plus flights. They basically end up covering your flight and hotels so I still had to save a bit of money to do it. im doing a big eurotrip but some stupid idiots take cruises and one extreme sperg forewent the stipend once because he just wanted 4 weeks off for the release of the new wow expansion.
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power botton posted:what if I just convince the CEO that I'm getting things done and contributing materially. do I still get big bonuses under this plan?
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Mar 14, 2017 23:52
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power botton posted:what if I just convince the CEO that I'm getting things done and contributing materially. do I still get big bonuses under this plan? no, you have to convince your manager and he has to convince his peers and manager when they are dividing the bonus pool. you can be all Microsofty about it and try to sabotage everyone else but a healthy company will punish that.
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cis autodrag posted:here it's every 5 years we get an extra 4 weeks off to take a trip anywhere we want and if it's to a country we haven't been to before they give you a 300 dollar per day stipend (less taxes) for it, plus flights. They basically end up covering your flight and hotels so I still had to save a bit of money to do it. im doing a big eurotrip but some stupid idiots take cruises and one extreme sperg forewent the stipend once because he just wanted 4 weeks off for the release of the new wow expansion. hell yeah i thought leave loading was a dead concept we get nine weeks paid leave after ten years but thats a government mandate.
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:hell yeah i thought leave loading was a dead concept honestly i think its because burnout here is so brutal that they need the carrot. for our implementers (basically pms we assign to customers to basically coordinate their whole install) they added a mini-sabbatical at 3 years too because they weren't even lasting that long, lol
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:hell yeah i thought leave loading was a dead concept lol my last job gave you a week extra vacation at the 20 year mark, bring you up to a total of 4 weeks. the compnay was only about 22 years old
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The Management posted:no, you have to convince your manager and he has to convince his peers and manager when they are dividing the bonus pool. you can be all Microsofty about it and try to sabotage everyone else but a healthy company will punish that. oh thats the confusion. are people itf more than 1 or 2 levels away from the CEO?
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power botton posted:oh thats the confusion. are people itf more than 1 or 2 levels away from the CEO? If you're one level away from the CEO and you can bluff the amount of work you do then your company is hosed
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The Management posted:how about better employees that are getting things done and contributing materially get a bigger bonus than their bad colleagues that are actively lighting fires? idk when you get 6~7 deep from the CEO, your own work contribution can get inflated or wholly wiped out by terrible decisions at the director level like how do you equitably give out bonuses to the guy working hard whose SVP hosed up reading the market and the division isn't profitable vs. the slacker under a SVP who lucked out and was sitting on a goldmine? ime big companies do formulas, intel had 2 bonus types that kicked out maybe 30 days total per year?
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Wrath of the Bitch King posted:"We need you to be more available in the evenings." they told you what they wanted, and you refused. so they promoted someone else. this is the expected result of refusing a management request. they didn't fire you for not making yourself available. you just didn't get ahead. it's not like you were entitled to the promotion just because you were more senior.
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cis autodrag posted:my favorite is that now that i have the real software dev title they are justifying paying me the salary of a fresh untrained hire despite being here for 5 years and programming continuously for the last 2 by saying "the responsibilities are harder at this level and you have to prove yourself", despite making me spend the last year working on projects that showed i could handle the responsibilities of a full dev. its total bullshit. im 2 weeks away from my sabbatical and then it's time to dish resumes. you know the old saying, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" ? that's a knife that cuts both ways. you have been working there for five years. you're a known quantity and they long ago decided that you are not worth more than what you're getting. they might even be right about that. you might not be worth more to them. that doesn't mean you're not worth more to somebody else. you're one bird in your employer's hand, but you might be two birds in somebody else's bush. this metaphor got away from me. tl;dr: get a new job
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JawnV6 posted:idk when you get 6~7 deep from the CEO, your own work contribution can get inflated or wholly wiped out by terrible decisions at the director level ideally your boss fights for you if you busted your rear end (lol). but there will be a smaller bonus pool because your vp is dumb so you should gtfo of that department.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:you know the old saying, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" ? that's a knife that cuts both ways. is the bird a penis in this analogy? because if so I disagree with the premise
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Mar 15, 2017 01:07
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The Management posted:how about better employees that are getting things done and contributing materially get a bigger bonus than their bad colleagues that are actively lighting fires? lol if you think the management can tell the difference
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Mar 15, 2017 01:07
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the biggest thing people need to learn is you can't change the system from within so just go to another better company where things aren't hosed and you get paid commensurate with market rates
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a bird in the hand is probably a big mess
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The Management posted:is the bird a penis in this analogy? because if so I disagree with the premise i wonder what that doubledickdude is up to these days
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The Management posted:ideally your boss fights for you if you busted your rear end (lol). but there will be a smaller bonus pool because your vp is dumb so you should gtfo of that department. so as stockholm as it sounds, some global formula that takes in ((division results ) / (division objectives)) * (company health) = X days salary skips all those meetings, pays out to everyone within 50% or so, seems to make a lot more sense intel amended the bonus formula once. it relied on GAAP. guess when
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:lol if you think the management can tell the difference this too. how much of your time do you currently spend sabotaging your
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