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MA-Horus posted:Is the MS Oranje in the game? She served as a hospital ship during the war. I don't see it anywhere, sorry.
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Crazycryodude posted:The US had something like 40% of the entire planet's industrial capacity during WWII, right? I love it when various video game communities complain that the US is OP when really they're usually gutted in the interest of fairness. Really feeling this. I would love to play USA in HOI 4 but it lets you break the game by getting the industrial machine running far too early, at least when I try to play a non-democracy.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:well, the big problem with that tactic is that they probably should have clued in that they were totally doomed, considering their status was "the best thing our pilots and planes are good for is ramming boats" It had value as signaling as well. Demonstrating that you're going to fight to the death and cause damage to the enemy even with no hope of victory might make the enemy decide to negotiate a settlement rather than pay the price for total victory.
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Mar 15, 2017 02:22
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Allies also had some wonderwaffen that didn't pan out; remember project Habbakuk? Trying to make artificial icebergs to use as aircraft carriers used up a ton of steel that could have been turned into the lovely escort carries that ended up winning the battle of the atlantic. Or project Paperclip, an American attempt to turn b-17s into remote-controlled guided missiles? That one ended up killing a Kennedy and giving the Germans an intact b-17 to study, IIRC. Anyway, the goal of the Japanese balloon bomb project wasn't to kill hikers, it was to start forest fires that the US would have to divert resources into fighting. And, to some extent it worked, inasmuch as the US had to spend more fighting the fires than the Japanese spent making the balloon bombs... but in the immense scale of WW2 industrial production, it was a drop in the bucket.
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Mar 15, 2017 04:52
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sullat posted:Allies also had some wonderwaffen that didn't pan out; remember project Habbakuk? Trying to make artificial icebergs to use as aircraft carriers used up a ton of steel that could have been turned into the lovely escort carries that ended up winning the battle of the atlantic. Or project Paperclip, an American attempt to turn b-17s into remote-controlled guided missiles? That one ended up killing a Kennedy and giving the Germans an intact b-17 to study, IIRC. Anyway, the goal of the Japanese balloon bomb project wasn't to kill hikers, it was to start forest fires that the US would have to divert resources into fighting. And, to some extent it worked, inasmuch as the US had to spend more fighting the fires than the Japanese spent making the balloon bombs... but in the immense scale of WW2 industrial production, it was a drop in the bucket. Paperclip was the recruitment of German scientists. Aphrodite was the remote-controlled B-17 project.
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PhotoKirk posted:Paperclip was the recruitment of German scientists. Aphrodite was the remote-controlled B-17 project. All these wacky project names.
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Mar 15, 2017 05:24
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To add animal cruelty alongside comedic ideas, there was also Project X-Ray. Also known as the project designed around testing the concept of dropping bombs filled with thousands of bats carrying small incendiaries over Japanese cities, where they would then theoretically roost in buildings. It had merely cost $2 million by the time it was canceled - not for being silly, but rather because it wouldn't be ready before nuclear bombs were. They DID manage to accidentally incinerate a test range though!
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Mar 15, 2017 06:03
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Why they would bother with bat-bombs when they had regular old firebombs, who knows. Allied incendiary bombing is one of those subjects no one really likes to talk about.
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wiegieman posted:Why they would bother with bat-bombs when they had regular old firebombs, who knows. Allied incendiary bombing is one of those subjects no one really likes to talk about. In Curtis LeMay's (heavily ghostwritten) biography, he tries to claim he was against using the nuclear bomb because 'a couple more months of firebombing would've done it.', showing what a loving psycho the man was.
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Well he's right at least. Japan was a loving mess long before the atomic bombs were dropped.wiegieman posted:Why they would bother with bat-bombs when they had regular old firebombs, who knows. Allied incendiary bombing is one of those subjects no one really likes to talk about. X-Ray was thought up in '42. So firebombing is out of the picture, but running in a few thousand bats on some destroyers is not.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Night10194 posted:In Curtis LeMay's (heavily ghostwritten) biography, he tries to claim he was against using the nuclear bomb because 'a couple more months of firebombing would've done it.', showing what a loving psycho the man was. He's, uh, not wrong?
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Mar 15, 2017 06:54
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gradenko_2000 posted:He's, uh, not wrong? It's more that he talks about it as if it was a big moral thing, you know? "Man, if only we'd kept incinerating them for a few more months like I suggested we could've been better guys."
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sullat posted:Allies also had some wonderwaffen that didn't pan out; remember project Habbakuk? Trying to make artificial icebergs to use as aircraft carriers used up a ton of steel that could have been turned into the lovely escort carries that ended up winning the battle of the atlantic. . Habbakuk only got as far as prototype in Canada, hardly any steel was used on it, more cork, wood pulp and paper was a minor issue but even then the whole project was incredibly minor. It was even built by conscientious objectors so as to not impact war fighting capability in any way. Where to spend resources was an incredibly difficult challenge for most nations in WW2 but the Allies got it right *most* of the time. Once read a great book on Germans super weapons and how they ultimately did more harm then good, missile projects that devoured resources and killed hundreds of top scientists, improved tanks that used up ever increasing amounts of fuel, logistics and manpower and rocket aircraft that required skilled pilots but were unlikely to get them back alive. Germany advanced a lot of very important technology in WW2, but at far great a cost to a country already being crippled by dwindling resources.
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And when you're losing a war you turn towards some sort of megaweapon MEGAWEAPON MEGAWEAPON! in order to turn things around. Its easier to poo poo on a country that lost the war, because its clear that their projects didn't work. And, because of various reasons, Germany got the spotlight with regards to books about them, so you have a market flooded with books on German equipment, whereas stuff from Japan or Russia has very little market presence outside their native countries (if even that).
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Crazycryodude posted:The US had something like 40% of the entire planet's industrial capacity during WWII, right? I love it when various video game communities complain that the US is OP when really they're usually gutted in the interest of fairness. Nah, they cut the ship respawn before 1944. I'll never forget this betrayal. I just want you to be the biggest hero you can be, all right, Grey? It's not like I want you to lose!  RA Rx fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Jobbo_Fett posted:And when you're losing a war you turn towards some sort of megaweapon MEGAWEAPON MEGAWEAPON! I appreciate this reference.
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Lord Koth posted:To add animal cruelty alongside comedic ideas, there was also Project X-Ray. Also known as the project designed around testing the concept of dropping bombs filled with thousands of bats carrying small incendiaries over Japanese cities, where they would then theoretically roost in buildings. It had merely cost $2 million by the time it was canceled - not for being silly, but rather because it wouldn't be ready before nuclear bombs were. They DID manage to accidentally incinerate a test range though! Also a general's car.
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Mar 15, 2017 16:59
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   The ships to rescue these guys are on the way.  Phew!   We take a Liberator down.  As expected, Makin falls.   This idea of being on the defensive is a strange one.....
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Mar 15, 2017 18:23
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Don't see it as a loss of land, see it as gaining more options for striking the supply ships needed to keep the fat allies fed. Once some suitable vessels are back in the area of course!
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Mar 15, 2017 21:34
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  Those ships need to get there quickly.  We take losses to the enemy gunners.   This is a fairly major bout of air combat.   Hankow rumbles back into life.  Most of my time is spent on the supply chain today.
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Mar 16, 2017 18:56
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Looks like Hankow is about to fall, based on the number of cooks and dentists you just slaughtered.
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Mar 16, 2017 18:58
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pthighs posted:Looks like Hankow is about to fall, based on the number of cooks and dentists you just slaughtered. They are also about a few days away from running out of guns. edit: Artillery, not rifles. Although considering that they are still out of supply and the Japanese aren't the rifles are probably next. zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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Mar 16, 2017 20:04
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The assault odds have been rising quickly over the last couple weeks too. From previously always being at 1:2 (where I think someone said it's actually not possible to 'win'), the last attacks were at 2:1, and now 6:1.
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Mar 16, 2017 20:35
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The Hankow AV improved from 2:1 to 6:1 based purely on the troops being in supply for once, it looks like.
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pthighs posted:Looks like Hankow is about to fall, based on the number of cooks and dentists you just slaughtered. Those cooks knocked out 40 guns.
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TildeATH posted:Those cooks knocked out 40 guns. Or some Imperial Japanese soldier had too much sake before aiming his cannon.
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Jesenjin posted:Or some Imperial Japanese soldier had too much sake before aiming his cannon. Or someone was conducting a funeral, and misunderstood where the "forty gun salute" was supposed to be aimed.
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Mar 16, 2017 23:47
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So, after having too much time on my hands, I have added up the total casualties from both the allies and japanese at Hankow. Japan: 178,706 casulties Allies: 74,707 casualties, possibly more due to bombing runs.
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   My subs are still out there!  Hankow continues its bloody course.  The Kido Butai is rearmed and heading out to Tarawa. The Kiddo Butai will be heading out tommorow.  One each goes down, ours must have been damaged a while ago - I lose track.
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Welp, back to supply(-) in Hankow and your AV plummets. You can crack that city if you can keep your troops stocked with rice and bullets, but without them it turns back into a horrible endless stalemate in which you have way more destroyed squads than them.
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Defender's short on supply too, so while inefficient he would win a head-bashing contest with 3.5:1 and fifteen hundred guns and vehicles unless he goes radically overboard with the shock attacks. The enemy is probably close to collapse now that they're taking almost 10% in a single battle. But again, fix supply, save lives for the Chunking grinder and the British, Americans and Russians. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Mar 17, 2017 |
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He's been behind in supply most of the time and nothing seems to work.
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CannonFodder posted:He's been behind in supply most of the time and nothing seems to work. Is Hankow bloodier than Kaifeng at this point because it feels like it is...
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So how do you actually get supply? It's all built on Oil and shipping, right?
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wiegieman posted:So how do you actually get supply? It's all built on Oil and shipping, right? Refineries turn Oil into Fuel and Supply Light Industry generates supply all by itself Heavy Industry turns Resources into Supply (and other stuff) Basically yeah Supply is generated in your rear areas like the US West Coast and the Japanese Home Islands, and then you have to ship them to the front.
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Jack2142 posted:Is Hankow bloodier than Kaifeng at this point because it feels like it is... I'm definite it isn't, Kaifeng went on for longer and the IJA has more to waste than the Nationalists do so they went on the offensive constantly. In comparison the Allied AI took the hint fairly early.
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  Now, was she heading out or heading back?  Grumble.  Just keep on grinding!  The Kiddo Butai head out, so lets see if we can catch the marines loading!  The kill confirmations begin to roll in!
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And now Japanese AV at Hankow is 1:1. Guess they can eat C-rations.
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I just like to imagine that at this point both forces at Hankow are beating one another to death with makeshift clubs in between foraging for food in the blasted post-apocalyptic wasteland it's become. Maybe they erect makeshift shrines of rifles and tell stories of when they had the magical substance 'bullets'.
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