CharlestheHammer posted:

I think that depends on how are Paradox tries, as most of the shitstorm was how half assed they were

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

Wasn't the guy who coded Victoria 2's economy some crazy Thatcherite who wanted to have the model prove the superiority of the free market but instead because your Capitalists are all pants on head retarded the way to actually have a winning economy was always state capitalism or full communism?

pdxjohan posted:

Crazy thatcherite?

Thatcher saved us from communism together with Reagan.

Our design meetings usually involves toasts to the Iron Lady, she who sits on Gods right side in heaven..

Jeoh posted:

Paradox is literally Hitler

pdxjohan posted:

Crazy thatcherite?

Thatcher saved us from communism together with Reagan.

Our design meetings usually involves toasts to the Iron Lady, she who sits on Gods right side in heaven..

StrixNebulosa posted:

Kavak posted:

He's being sarcastic.

corn in the bible posted:

This but the entirety of Stellaris

Rumda posted:

Eh paradox always does better on iteration

BabyFur Denny posted:

oh YES, let's have that discussion again.

Enjoy posted:

A lot of your games do have nods towards that kind of ideology though (eg HoI4: generic NF tree has fascists and commies both branching off from the collectivist NF; Stellaris: collectivism is for slavers)

reignonyourparade posted:

On the other hand HOI4 also has "Stalin did nothing wrong, kulaks deserved it" so I suspect it's a case of not thinking things through.

Kavak posted:

HoI IV was in an awkward position where they had to find a reason for the player to undertake a tremendous crime and strategic mistake like the Great Purge and punish saying "No" somehow. I feel like rather than a focus it should have been something that happens no matter what and all you can do is choose who's getting shot.

Kavak posted:

Randomly shooting generals sounds...bad, unless there's a "Stalin's Ire" bar next to them to warn you. The other two are okay because you still have some control, e.g. Ignore Himmler and lose NU or PP but keep production going smooth.

Alchenar posted:

Throwing ideas out for discussion - Decisive Campaigns: Barbarossa has a thing where if your Generals are too good then Stalin's paranoia rises and he purges some of them, so you have to balance against that and it works really well.

It's really a general point I made in the HOI3 post-mortems we did in this thread: uniquely among Paradox games HOI benefits from nations getting their own special snowflake events and mechanics for the sake of unique flavour - it's really important that the player is not able to beeline for the optimal solution to any problem because that leaves you ending up with a HOI3 situation where everyone is rocking identical armies with identical bonuses.

Paradox has done this via rewards via than punishments (definitely the right decision) but I think there's still a bit further to go. The Western Democracies could be a bit more hamstrung by the fact that in the pre-war period they can't really devote resources to war. The Axis are really good at fighting but the game doesn't currently reflect the massive internal corruption and power-plays that crippled their ability to wage total war (I think this is the biggest thing missing). The Soviets have the purges but I think there's more to be done with pushing Stalin's insistence on 'attack all the time' on the player.

GrossMurpel posted:

Doesn't HoI3 have that thing where you can only enact the total war industry law if you're a dictatorship or if the combined forces of your enemy are greater than yours? Which basically means the democracies can only get their full IC potential once they join WW2.

Kavak posted:

IIRC HoI IV has that too, you need certain amounts of world tension to mobilize the economy if you're not a dictatorship.

But yeah, Nazi powerplays and the vicious Army/Navy rivalry in Japan are not present at all, which is a detriment to the game. What did the Italians have, besides being Italy?

Splode posted:

Being Italy (Not exactly ready for total industrial warfare), and being short-changed by the Germans at every possible opportunity.

Kavak posted:

Is short-changed what you call the Peace Conference mechanic allowing them to puppet the entire goddamn British Empire for loving around in Africa while I did all the actual fighting in Europe?

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

The Italians were also horribly corrupt, had the aforementioned problems with mobilizing for Total Warfare, terrible/docile leadership, and awful military organization and officers. I think.

Alchenar posted:

HOI just has to walk this tightrope of having the player sitting in the role of a crazy paranoid absolute dictator but not actually being crazy or paranoid and so has no reason to play anything other than optimally. But having *bad thing happen* outside of the player's control is very difficult to get right.

Have Stalin occasionally execute generals who don't have their armies constantly engaged in combat. Have Hitler decide every so often that he wants a certain city captured and your national unity temporarily drops for as long as you don't have it. Have Himmler randomly decide he wants an SS Panzer Division and divert all of you production into an army unit that you don't really want.

YF-23 posted:

The V2 "crazy thatcherite" refers to Chris King. I don't know about the "crazy" part, but he did have a couple forums posts on pplaza that made his personal politics clear.

pdxjohan posted:

He is not the game director that has bought on an oil-painting of Saint Maggie though. Neither am I, but i dont really buy much art..

pdxjohan posted:

He is not the game director that has bought on an oil-painting of Saint Maggie though. Neither am I, but i dont really buy much art..

RabidWeasel posted:

I assume that's ironic, since anyone who would actually own such an item in good faith would certainly burst into flame upon touching the tainted socialist soil of Sweden.

YF-23 posted:

I am going to assume you hired another crazy Thatcherite in a search for talent for V3.

Ofaloaf posted:

Of course, there's always Victoria 2/decisions/ENG.txt, lines 162 through 194, if you want some other crazy from the game:

code:

	rhodesia_charter = {
		potential = {
			tag = ENG
			owns = 2068
			owns = 2069
			owns = 2070
			owns = 2071
			owns = 2072
			owns = 2073
			owns = 2635
			NOT = {
				has_country_flag = ian_would_be_proud
			}
		}

		allow = {
			invention = mission_to_civilize
		}

		effect = {
			prestige = 10
			2068 = {
				change_province_name = "Salisbury"
				state_scope = {
					change_region_name = "Southern Rhodesia"
					any_owned = {
						add_core = RHO
					}
				}
			}
			set_country_flag = ian_would_be_proud
		}
	}

"Why would a decision to create Rhodesia talk about some guy named Ian?", you may ask.