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kill me now posted:Many of the midsized and under crossovers don't feel big while driving and have a smaller footprint than a midsized sedan. Our 2011 Edge has considerably more space in the front and rear seats than my '08 Maxima had previously. The maxima was substantially larger externally (except in height). A lot of these CUVs are brilliantly packaged. With Ford's Cyclone V6 it's actually got a little power, too.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:The H2 is kind of a unique vehicle and is by no means a barometer for modern CUV construction. Also it's a gmt bof chassis so technically not a cuv Rip hummer, what cuvs may have come - thanks Obama
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Also it's a gmt bof chassis so technically not a cuv we'll never get the Equinox-based H4
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Speaking of crossovers have you guys read about the new engine infinity is sticking into the qx50? 2.0 turbo four banger with variable compression and variable valve timing. With individual valve control and electronic turbo control http://blog.caranddriver.com/variable-compression-ratio-coming-to-new-infiniti-four-cylinder-turbo/
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Preoptopus posted:Speaking of crossovers have you guys read about the new engine infinity is sticking into the qx50? 2.0 turbo four banger with variable compression and variable valve timing. With individual valve control and electronic turbo control http://blog.caranddriver.com/variable-compression-ratio-coming-to-new-infiniti-four-cylinder-turbo/ I would not want to own one of those in 10 years!
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Mar 15, 2017 15:53
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I feel like engines need more moving parts, is there any way we can add more moving parts in the deepest reaches of the engine block?
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Preoptopus posted:Speaking of crossovers have you guys read about the new engine infinity is sticking into the qx50? 2.0 turbo four banger with variable compression and variable valve timing. With individual valve control and electronic turbo control http://blog.caranddriver.com/variable-compression-ratio-coming-to-new-infiniti-four-cylinder-turbo/ Yeah it's a really cool idea and I certainly don't want it to be a failure but I keep thinking about all the other well-intentioned but horribly executed engine technologies like the Cadillac V8-6-4 in the '80s that OEMs duped consumers into paying money to be beta testers.
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Mariana Horchata posted:Yeah it's a really cool idea and I certainly don't want it to be a failure but I keep thinking about all the other well-intentioned but horribly executed engine technologies like the Cadillac V8-6-4 in the '80s that OEMs duped consumers into paying money to be beta testers. It just took about another ~30 years to perfect that!
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I feel like engines need more moving parts, is there any way we can add more moving parts in the deepest reaches of the engine block? Yeah, this sounds real reassuring: quote:While many automakers have experimented with compound connecting-rod and moving-cylinder mechanisms, Infiniti appears to be the first to solve the durability issues associated with a crankcase stuffed with links and levers, along with three times the typical number of bearings. 
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But where are the push-rods housed?
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Mariana Horchata posted:Yeah it's a really cool idea and I certainly don't want it to be a failure but I keep thinking about all the other well-intentioned but horribly executed engine technologies like the Cadillac V8-6-4 in the '80s that OEMs duped consumers into paying money to be beta testers. We've come a long, long way since then--it's much more feasible to use this technology now because CAD is a million times better than it was back then (if they even used it on that terrible engine).
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I can't wait for President Trump to repeal CAFE and put an end to all this nonsense.
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Throatwarbler posted:I can't wait for President Trump to repeal CAFE and put an end to all this nonsense. It looks like oil's going to be long term cheap anyway, so lets race headlong into our climate-changing future!
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Throatwarbler posted:Mercedes C-Class probably has the best interior out of all of them. It looks OK. Trip report: she didn't like the "iPad stuck to the dash" look. This may be a problem since everyone seems to be doing that.
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Motor Trend $399/month lease comparison: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa...s60-comparison/ quote:9TH PLACE: INFINITI Q50 2.0T
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BraveUlysses posted:We've come a long, long way since then--it's much more feasible to use this technology now because CAD is a million times better than it was back then (if they even used it on that terrible engine). True, and if I recall that's one of the reasons why I-3 engines are coming back. But the point already brought up about more moving parts located in the deepest recessions of the motor is something that seems indisputable. Look at the consequences from widespread implementation of automotive technologies that despite being used for decades in other applications like direct injection and CVT transmissions still encountered plenty of issues initially for certain manufacturers. I do hope it becomes a viable technology based upon the potential it brings to the table of course, but I would personally be wary if I cared to purchase a new INFINITI that had this engine...and would certainly accept the possibility of being stuck in a loaner for a month or more while the dealer goes back and forth with Nissan USA. It's possible that I'm just biased and cynical from having to deal with far too many goatfuck BMW PUMA cases for one lifetime. Very likely in fact, thankfully those days are long over. Mariana Horchata fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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I'm all in favor of OEMs trying weird poo poo. Not enough do.
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Mariana Horchata posted:True, and if I recall that's one of the reasons why I-3 engines are coming back. Chances are you'd be in a nicer loaner since the Q50 is a base model and most luxury Japanese car dealers offer a choice from their whole model lineup as free loaners during service. The German brands around here tend to use Toyotas, Porsche uses base Cayennes and the Jeep dealers are like 'lol, loaners?' which is disappointing but not surprising.
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Jymmybob posted:Chances are you'd be in a nicer loaner since the Q50 is a base model and most luxury Japanese car dealers offer a choice from their whole model lineup as free loaners during service. The German brands around here tend to use Toyotas, Porsche uses base Cayennes and the Jeep dealers are like 'lol, loaners?' which is disappointing but not surprising. My dad always gets a new E class loaner for his previous gen E class and a similar situation when he had a 5 series. But the luxury car market is pretty competitive in north Chicagoland so maybe that's the reason why.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I'm all in favor of OEMs trying weird poo poo. Not enough do. So am I, but I'm also in favor of someone else being their beta testers.
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DoLittle posted:Motor Trend $399/month lease comparison: I hope that version of the Audi A4 has a better interior than the A4 I sat in recently. Hard plastics everywhere, unable to fit a drink bottle into the front doors, it seemed so cheap for a brand that champions itself on its interior quality.
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You Am I posted:I hope that version of the Audi A4 has a better interior than the A4 I sat in recently. Hard plastics everywhere, unable to fit a drink bottle into the front doors, it seemed so cheap for a brand that champions itself on its interior quality. Since prices have gone up so much, it's a little easy to lose track of this whole segment being compact entry luxury. They're not supposed to be really nice cars, despite costing almost $50k now. The only one of these that looks to have a nice interior is the C-class, which in the latest refresh got a big step up in interior materials. If you want the actually nice Audi interior, look at the A7. Same for all the other makes.
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I sat in an S3 at the car show yesterday and it was dreadful, like a massive step down from the Golf R (which is cool and good, and I want to buy one). I don't "get" Audi.
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PT6A posted:I sat in an S3 at the car show yesterday and it was dreadful, like a massive step down from the Golf R (which is cool and good, and I want to buy one). I don't "get" Audi. I think Audi and VW are basically dancing around the question of which of their names the inevitable combined brand in North America is going to operate under at the moment. Occasionally one of the VW engineers burps out a good car like the Golf R in the hopes of saving his employer's The Trump administration is probably the best thing that could happen to VWOA, though. Now their core demographic can be more out about their affilitations, which means a bigger spend on trim packages. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Just spent some time in a brand new XC90. Nice car generally but some of the interior finishing is a bit poo poo considering the price tag. Also it's loving enormous.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Just spent some time in a brand new XC90. Nice car generally but some of the interior finishing is a bit poo poo considering the price tag. Also it's loving enormous. Yeah and so is the Escalade but it doesnt stop GM from selling every loving one they can make
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Just spent some time in a brand new XC90. Nice car generally but some of the interior finishing is a bit poo poo considering the price tag. Also it's loving enormous. What competitor vehicle do you think has an interior appropriate for the price tag?
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Twerk from Home posted:Since prices have gone up so much, it's a little easy to lose track of this whole segment being compact entry luxury. They're not supposed to be really nice cars, despite costing almost $50k now. The only one of these that looks to have a nice interior is the C-class, which in the latest refresh got a big step up in interior materials. My friend had it as rental from an Audi dealership, 2017 model while his 2010 A4 S4 was being repaired. I think the 2010 had a better looking interior and better materials.
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Consumer Reports bought a Giulia Ti. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lvvcOBlIWU Drives great when it isn't broken
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Seat Safety Switch posted:I think Audi and VW are basically dancing around the question of which of their names the inevitable combined brand in North America is going to operate under at the moment. It's funny you mentioned the Golf R & S3, since they're the same car under the skin. I haven't driven a Golf R, but I have driven a few S3's, and they are enormously entertaining. As soon as my kids are out of giant fuckoff car seats, I'll get an S3. As much as I'm a wagon & hatch guy, the S3 sedan looks loads better than the S3 Sportback, so I'm not heartbroken that we don't get it. Plus, I just couldn't spend $40k for a Golf. However, if VW were to bring the Golf R wagon to the US, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
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Throatwarbler posted:Consumer Reports bought a Giulia Ti. Yeah, but like they said. One car isn't impacting the reliability rating. I know it's fun to poke fun at Alfa / FIAT rust / unreliability (just look at the comment in that video blaming FIAT for Chryslers bad quality), but then you look at actual statistics and it becomes clear that what you don't want to buy is anything in the VAG group. It could very well turn out that the Giulia is below average in reliability as well, but unless there is some catastrophical failure points it won't stop me getting one. I mean people keep buying BMWs even though it's said that you should never own one out of warranty. I'd say the big hurdle for Alfa is to get past the rotten dealers. At least the UK has amazing indie specialists though.
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Preoptopus posted:Speaking of crossovers have you guys read about the new engine infinity is sticking into the qx50? 2.0 turbo four banger with variable compression and variable valve timing. With individual valve control and electronic turbo control http://blog.caranddriver.com/variable-compression-ratio-coming-to-new-infiniti-four-cylinder-turbo/ Am I the only one that thinks investing a lot of time and money into new ICE technology is a waste? Throatwarbler posted:I can't wait for President Trump to repeal CAFE and put an end to all this nonsense. Oh, right.
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:Am I the only one that thinks investing a lot of time and money into new ICE technology is a waste? Not really. When most countries dont have the electrical infrastructure (either the capability to modernize or the will to do so) that developed countries have its not a bad idea. It just needs to see use in cheaper cars.
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Throatwarbler posted:What competitor vehicle do you think has an interior appropriate for the price tag? Dude when the loving headliner wobbles when you press it more than it does on my friend's base model Micra from the late 80s I feel it's fair to say the interior feels below budget. When the door pockets are made of plastic that isn't exactly stiff and therefore flexes more than your average meathead in the gym despite there being gently caress all in the door pocket I feel it's fair to say the interior feels below budget. When the centre console has no sound deadening and creaks when you touch it I feel it's fair to say the interior feels low budget. When the grip you use to close the door has material that sloughs around when you touch it more than an old lady's skin I feel it's fair to say the interior feels below budget. ...and this is me sat in the car for the first 2 minutes. If I'd spunked £45k on this car and got this level of bullshit I'd not be impressed. And if you're suggesting that competitor vehicles are about on par with this then I honestly have no idea what the gently caress went wrong with manufacturing processes. Just loving  *edit: actually to add to the interior gripes, the loving glove box. On a normal glove box there's a little catch you press with one hand and open it. XC90? It has a button on the centre console which tells a little motor to open it instead BECAUSE FUTURE AND WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THINGS. It then drops it on your kneecap. So you need to use 2 hands to open the loving glovebox. Like how did that get past user experience/ergonomics?? Olympic Mathlete fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Dude when the loving headliner wobbles when you press it more than it does on my friend's base model Micra from the late 80s I feel it's fair to say the interior feels below budget. It's the ghost of Andy Rooney
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You can lease a scat pack challenger for $399 a month so motor trend is dumb. A hell cat is only $200 more. Well worth not having a cell phone.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Dude when the loving headliner wobbles when you press it more than it does on my friend's base model Micra from the late 80s I feel it's fair to say the interior feels below budget. I was just wondering which vehicles you thought were good because I haven't driven or sat in all the competitors myself. You're pretty angry about cars.
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Elephanthead posted:You can lease a scat pack challenger for $399 a month so motor trend is dumb. A hell cat is only $200 more. Well worth not having a cell phone. lmao
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Throatwarbler posted:I was just wondering which vehicles you thought were good because I haven't driven or sat in all the competitors myself. You're pretty angry about cars. I'm not angry dude, this is the new car thread and I was in a new car and noted the interior is fairly shonky in places. I wasn't aware that it was a bad thing to post about new cars in the new car thread. Though I guess I made the mistake of replying to you considering you're all red-texted up tae gently caress quote:Don't question or contradict me or I will spew poo poo like an enema primed jalapeno filled goatse rear end in a top hat.
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