Condiv posted:

obama being so terrible as a dem is what made hillary saying she was gonna be his third term so concerning

zegermans posted:

Friends I believe you have your own thread for your totally real political movement & patron saint

zegermans posted:

Friends I believe you have your own thread for your totally real political movement & patron saint

Condiv posted:

Condiv posted:

no, that thread's just for bernie. all other threads can enjoy bernie too because we wouldn't want to be selfish and hog the most loveable of all democrats to ourselves

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

He is a huge liberal, that much is true

zegermans posted:

lol was he late meeting his realtor for his campaign funds beach house

Condiv posted:

zegermans posted:

lol was he late meeting his realtor for his campaign funds beach house

Condiv posted:

thankfully we have bernie who is good and cool, and hopefully the dems will wake up and take up his cause. if they do they'll really start winning big

Thoguh posted:

I wonder if Perez et al are mad Bernie is actually out taking the made up roll they made for him seriously and doing town halls and poo poo.

Main Paineframe posted:

imo Bernie is a real and genuine leftist who really does care about the cause, doesn't have any particular ulterior motives, and is more concerned with getting good things done than engaging in ideological slapfights. he's a really good leftist!

unfortunately, he's not really a superb politician or leader. he's always had his heart in exactly the right place, and he's always been willing to stand up and give a really good speech that basically no one will listen to, but he tends to have little to no impact on legislation even when he's in a position to play the swing vote, and he didn't heavily involve himself in organizing fellow leftists or pushing to get more leftists in office until fairly recently. there was the Congressional Progressive Caucus, but I wouldn't necessarily call that a success

his transformation in 2016 into the unofficial leader of the left seems to be something that he's not really one hundred percent comfortable with, but he's doing it anyway because in twenty-five loving years in Congress no one else has even seriously tried to create a national general leftist movement and he'd really like to see the left make some actual progress before he dies. he seems like he'd really rather just sit in Congress helping a cadre of fellow leftists put together solid legislation and then pushing it through, but there are no fellow leftists and it seems like there weren't going to be any no matter how long he waited

kind of a tragic hero sort of thing, really

Main Paineframe posted:

imo Bernie is a real and genuine leftist who really does care about the cause, doesn't have any particular ulterior motives, and is more concerned with getting good things done than engaging in ideological slapfights. he's a really good leftist!

unfortunately, he's not really a superb politician or leader. he's always had his heart in exactly the right place, and he's always been willing to stand up and give a really good speech that basically no one will listen to, but he tends to have little to no impact on legislation even when he's in a position to play the swing vote, and he didn't heavily involve himself in organizing fellow leftists or pushing to get more leftists in office until fairly recently. there was the Congressional Progressive Caucus, but I wouldn't necessarily call that a success

his transformation in 2016 into the unofficial leader of the left seems to be something that he's not really one hundred percent comfortable with, but he's doing it anyway because in twenty-five loving years in Congress no one else has even seriously tried to create a national general leftist movement and he'd really like to see the left make some actual progress before he dies. he seems like he'd really rather just sit in Congress helping a cadre of fellow leftists put together solid legislation and then pushing it through, but there are no fellow leftists and it seems like there weren't going to be any no matter how long he waited

kind of a tragic hero sort of thing, really

Condiv posted:

https://s1.webmshare.com/dEVbV.webm

this man is the way forward for dems. lookit all that applause in WV of all place

Main Paineframe posted:

imo Bernie is a real and genuine leftist who really does care about the cause, doesn't have any particular ulterior motives, and is more concerned with getting good things done than engaging in ideological slapfights. he's a really good leftist!

unfortunately, he's not really a superb politician or leader. he's always had his heart in exactly the right place, and he's always been willing to stand up and give a really good speech that basically no one will listen to, but he tends to have little to no impact on legislation even when he's in a position to play the swing vote, and he didn't heavily involve himself in organizing fellow leftists or pushing to get more leftists in office until fairly recently. there was the Congressional Progressive Caucus, but I wouldn't necessarily call that a success

his transformation in 2016 into the unofficial leader of the left seems to be something that he's not really one hundred percent comfortable with, but he's doing it anyway because in twenty-five loving years in Congress no one else has even seriously tried to create a national general leftist movement and he'd really like to see the left make some actual progress before he dies. he seems like he'd really rather just sit in Congress helping a cadre of fellow leftists put together solid legislation and then pushing it through, but there are no fellow leftists and it seems like there weren't going to be any no matter how long he waited

kind of a tragic hero sort of thing, really

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

He broke fundraising records from working class people donating to good political causes. He's a great leader, what are you talking about lol

zegermans posted:

His ideas, sure, but him? I mean, Moses wasn't allowed to enter the promised land

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

He broke fundraising records from working class people donating to good political causes. He's a great leader, what are you talking about lol

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

The American electorate is moderate, I continue to insist as the Democratic Party shrinks and becomes more reviled than Donald J Trump

ThndrShk2k posted:

I think he's more referring to any leading of movements in congress and such in his career before this point, other than the progressive caucus.

Bernie's been super lowkey in that aspect until recently.

anime was right posted:

also i think bernie only ran bc no one even close to his ideals ran in the primary this time. previously we had pre-scream dea, and larouche.

Condiv posted:

imagine if hillary had made bernie her veep. she'd have won every single state!

Condiv posted:

i see sanders leading dems to wins in 2018 and 2020, but not him specifically running for president. if sanders has to run for president the democrats are in a really bad way. if the dems actually get smart and start following bernie's lead they should be able to turn things around in 2018.

Neurolimal posted:

Yeah, Bernie gets a lot done in congress, he just does it by exploiting amendments and riders. Which lead to the truly eyerollworthy "the only thing Bernie has ever done was name a post office!!!" attack.

At one point he was being attacked for being 'hard to work with' by allegedly jeapordizing a bill with his amendments (the bill passed with said additions in-tact).

loquacius posted:

yeah this is why he entered so late too

He was still holding out hope for Warren I think (as were we all )


certainly woulda helped

hell, even if she'd just let him appear on stages with her and smiled and hugged him and talked loudly and publicly about how much they were gonna tag-team all our nation's biggest issues, that woulda helped, but no, he dared to oppose her and so he had to be crushed and forgotten