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Condiv posted:i see sanders leading dems to wins in 2018 and 2020, but not him specifically running for president. if sanders has to run for president the democrats are in a really bad way. if the dems actually get smart and start following bernie's lead they should be able to turn things around in 2018. The window for Dems to change their stance to "caring about more than sucking lobbyists' dicks" closed when they elected Perez. Shear Modulus has issued a correction as of 16:43 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Shear Modulus posted:The window for Dems to change their stance to "caring about more than sucking lobbyists' dicks" clozed when they elected Perez. ugh they might still turn around
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Condiv posted:ugh they might still turn around *warmly puts hand on your shoulder and flashes you a reassuring smile* no.
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Thoguh posted:He also re-defined socialism for a generation of people from a big S "Socialism" that is scary and about Russia and failed third world states to instead be a little s "socialism" that's more of a Nordic style "maybe it wouldn't be so bad if workers had rights and there was a social safety net" idea. aka "welfare liberalism" I really don't understand how people think that Sanders is a leftist There are portions of his movement that are leftist, but then you got people posting this type of poo poo 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:aka "welfare liberalism" Sanders is obviously a centrist, claims a guy who enthusiastically voted for Hillary
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Sanders is obviously a centrist, claims a guy who enthusiastically voted for Hillary at least zegermans tries with his trolling
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He's considered leftist because he's on the left side of the vast majority of issues. He attracts nonleftists with his authenticity and appeals to the common man, this does not make him notleftist.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:aka "welfare liberalism" The Overton Window has shifted so much that New Deal capitalism counts as socialism now, and meanwhile people in D&D are still red-scaring each other over that word
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You gotta ease people in, declaring that Stalin Did Nothing Wrong and establishing JDPON during the first term is bad form
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I really don't understand how people think that Sanders is a leftist Because they aren't morons?
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Mar 15, 2017 16:55
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bernie sanders is a liberal
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:aka "welfare liberalism" The only person who has posted that is you though.
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logikv9 posted:idk why anybody ever watches maddow not a fukken clue people got upset real daycrew like after the nothing burger the mattering is gonna happen when they least expect it, as it always does
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GalacticAcid posted:bernie sanders is a liberal Yup Tight Booty Shorts posted:Bernie is a demonrat true, for a time
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Lastgirl posted:not a fukken clue fwiw it was being streamed on NCTV ln so of course i went right back out the way i came in  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQaVIoEjOM i knew it was horseshiet all along
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loquacius posted:The Overton Window has shifted so much that New Deal capitalism counts as socialism now, and meanwhile people in D&D are still red-scaring each other over that word idk we've seen a resurgence of an actual socialist and anti-capitalist movement in this country and people are still acting like welfare liberalism is our savior
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:idk we've seen a resurgence of an actual socialist and anti-capitalist movement in this country and people are still acting like welfare liberalism is our savior you're doing the thing I was just talking about The people railing against capitalism are actually just thinking about our current situation where the government blatantly only serves the interests of rich people because that is what "capitalism" has come to mean, just as "socialism" now means "FDR capitalism"
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Mariana Horchata posted:fwiw it was being streamed on NCTV ln so of course i went right back out the way i came in ya seen its like they try to force it into a mattering but it doesn't its only gonna happen when it literally falls into your lap the more this goes on tho, i dont see anything for 2018 or 2020 on the democrats if they keep spending their ammo like this
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You must crawl before you can walk, and walk before you can run, no journey worth taking starts and ends with one step
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loquacius posted:you're doing the thing I was just talking about No I'm not
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The Brown Menace posted:You gotta ease people in, declaring that Stalin Did Nothing Wrong and establishing JDPON during the first term is bad form 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:No I'm not ok then what is the actual socialist movement in this country
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:No I'm not Jesus Christ lol
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:idk we've seen a resurgence of an actual socialist and anti-capitalist movement in this country and people are still acting like welfare liberalism is our savior Aren't you a pretty committed third way neoliberal centrism adherent? Am I confusing you with someone else? Why should we care what your opinion is on who or who is not a leftist. Like whatever you argue we know that we should reject it because you wouldn't be arguing it if it was good for the left lmao.
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I might be confusing you for someone else, though. I'm not drunk but I really wish I was.
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Bernie is a leftist, however he is not a socialist. Is this accurate?
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Mar 15, 2017 17:37
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GlyphGryph posted:Aren't you a pretty committed third way neoliberal centrism adherent? Am I confusing you with someone else? no he's just trolling and is somehow worse at it than zegermans lol
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Thump! posted:Bernie is a leftist, however he is not a socialist. Is this accurate? doesn't he call himself one tho
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UHD posted:doesn't he call himself one tho people are gonna call him it anyway, may as well embrace it
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:No I'm not bigly feeble
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UHD posted:doesn't he call himself one tho North Korea calls themselves a democratic republic but I doubt they'd fit the definition.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:no he's just trolling and is somehow worse at it than zegermans lol Maybe he was trolling for Hillary at some point and that's how I formed the association. Thump! posted:Bernie is a leftist, however he is not a socialist. Is this accurate? I don't know where the border is but whatever makes you happy. I think he's a good guy doin' his best to do good for the common people and insure fundamental left ideals about the dignity, power, and prosperity owed to every person come to pass, so I care less about whether he's actually a socialist than that bit.
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Bernie is a person who would have won
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Ace of Baes posted:Bernie is a person who would have won 
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The lamentable, hoary oaf Bernard "Bernie" Sanders, to be denounced for his failure to fully embrace Hoxhaism,
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I like how the subforum isn't called "The Suck Zone" anymore but this thread still is
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GlyphGryph posted:Maybe he was trolling for Hillary at some point and that's how I formed the association. I was very disappointed that the Marxists for Hillary Facebook group was satire
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