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Booblord Zagats posted:I call those types "Tactical Snake Oil Salesmen" Snake Oil Eaters?
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:Snake Oil Eaters? That's the customers
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Booblord Zagats posted:That's the customers Those are also the people who would unironically call the Operator Hotline if it existed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08kSncpUnUo
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I would read a sociology paper on the spread of the image of Special Forces in popular culture. It seems like until 2001 or so line infantry was the common conception of the military. Most people now could rattle off the names of units that were entirely out of the public imagination in say 1999. Frosted Flake fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Mar 15, 2017 16:36
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Frosted Flake posted:I would read a sociology paper on the spread of image of Special Forces in popular culture. That's ignoring things like Navy SEALs, the Delta Force movies, and all the other lovely movies of the 80s and 90s that centered on special operations units.
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Mar 15, 2017 16:51
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Right but I'm not sure the average dude watching "Commando" took it nearly as seriously then as people do now.
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mlmp08 posted:Right but I'm not sure the average dude watching "Commando" took it nearly as seriously then as people do now. 80s was cartoon action, made to be entertaining and only entertaining. New action tries to be realistic, artful and maybe entertaining in the case of poo poo like Hardcore Henry and John Wick. Problem is most film makers aren't nearly good enough to pull off more than one, much less all 3
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Commandos were lionized in the 80s and 90s from what I can see, but it was a somewhat generic interpretation. People knew who SEALS and Delta Force were, but that was the extent to what got name dropped. It was always guys dressed in all black with black face paint, shooting MP5s from the hip and throwing grenades that blew up entire guard towers in huge gasoline fireballs that flung men two stories into the air. I'm doing a Let's Read of Wingman, a lovely pulp novel series that started publication in 1987, and the author does things like dress everyone up in black jumpsuits or have SAS fighting as regular infantry in units of 600 or more like they're just the next level up from Marines. The current obsession with specific units like SEAL Team 6 or "Tier One" seems to be part of the recent conflicts in the Middle East, where exploits like the assassination of Osama Bin Laden get talked about publicly and a little more information about the identities of the units and people involved are leaked out. There's a general uptick in the interest people have in ARE TROOPS, which drives the more military-minded people to harp over the specifics like exactly what gear a particular unit carries. How many movies have Benghazi and the assassination of Bin Laden got since they occurred?
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Mar 15, 2017 17:25
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I think there have been five Bin Laden raid movies if you count zombies
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Gonna start writing a screenplay that's nothing but Rangers digging up Jessica Lynch's unit from that soccer field after extracting her, gonna get optioned, just you see The sequel will be the 'combat jump' that was basically 90% field grades that wanted their mustard stain
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Actually I'm surprised hollywood didn't poo poo out a Robert's Ridge movie yet, but I guess they don't like to focus on the proud SEAL tradition of calling in the Rescue Rangers every time they gently caress up
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iss4xxLwqwc
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in case yall forgot Act of Valor was pretty much a Navy approved propaganda film, up to providing the SEALs to do it.
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Mar 15, 2017 18:28
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theres also trash like lone survivor and american sniper. gently caress both of those movies. its pretty funny that every flick featuring seals is goddamn terrible
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Mar 15, 2017 18:46
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ahaha suggested videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g5p6b-ZZ5Y
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Mar 15, 2017 19:07
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Phil Moscowitz posted:ahaha suggested videos Gun people are the worst
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my kinda ape posted:Gun people are the worst It's like anything else, when you only have one part to your entire personality, you're going to be a loving rear end in a top hat. Don't matter if it's guns (Gun nuts), cars(Hella Flush), pets (Crazy cat lady), politics (ugghhhh) or videogames (twitch). If you're one dimensional, everyone but people exactly like you will hate you
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Booblord Zagats posted:It's like anything else, when you only have one part to your entire personality, you're going to be a loving rear end in a top hat. Don't matter if it's guns (Gun nuts), cars(Hella Flush), pets (Crazy cat lady), politics (ugghhhh) or videogames (twitch). If you're one dimensional, everyone but people exactly like you will hate you Is it okay to like a just a bit of each of those to a moderate degree? 
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:Is it okay to like a just a bit of each of those to a moderate degree? pretty sure that was his point 
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:theres also trash like lone survivor and american sniper. gently caress both of those movies. its pretty funny that every flick featuring seals is goddamn terrible Reminder that Lone Survivor features a scene of these dudes falling down a mountain that would be home in a Loony Tunes cartoon.
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My related video: A dude that doesn't really want to be like the highspeed operators, he wants to be like the Youtubers that emulate the highspeed operators. You know, the ones that have mastered tactical talking and explaining, tactical enunciation, and tactical knifehanding while pop-and-locking every loving movement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2SbbdW6S_g
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the best war on terror specops movie was The Objective. SPOOPY WIZARD TALIBANS OOOooooOOOOoooOOooooo edit: i forgot this 
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:Is it okay to like a just a bit of each of those to a moderate degree? That's called being well-rounded.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:tactical enunciation "Hello GENTLEMEN. Today we will be examining the AR-15 PLATFORM"
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chitoryu12 posted:Not the president, just innocent people. He also lied about having a Tennessee Department Of Safety Certified Firearms Instructor certificate (which doesn't exist). Oh word, I thought it was the president. Still pretty dumb of him though, sheesh.
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Mar 15, 2017 20:15
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Frosted Flake posted:I would read a sociology paper on the spread of the image of Special Forces in popular culture. I'm actually writing my Master's Thesis on Iraq War veteran literature and how it seeks to challenge the hegemonic discourses surrounding the American soldier, and provide a counter narrative to all the OORAH ARE TROROOPS platitudes 
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Missionary Positron posted:I'm actually writing my Master's Thesis on Iraq War veteran literature and how it seeks to challenge the hegemonic discourses surrounding the American soldier, and provide a counter narrative to all the OORAH ARE TROROOPS platitudes Care to shine some light on Operator worship? The most memorable WW2 memoirs I remember reading growing up were all written by cold, miserable grunts, whereas I see the HSLD titles selling pretty well from the GWOT era.
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I read lone survivor twice: once before I joined then the other towards the end of deployment. It's almost comical how bad they hosed. 4 man team gets compromised by kids, continue recon mission, all but one dies. All of that could have been avoided if they had extracted after getting compromised.
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SEALs are loving stupid.
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There's this great paper about SEALs being, well, not quiet professionals. http://calhoun.nps.edu/handle/10945/47927 It seems like other elements of the community tend to be a little bit more subdued about their service than NSW.
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Reverand maynard posted:I read lone survivor twice: once before I joined then the other towards the end of deployment. It's almost comical how bad they hosed. 4 man team gets compromised by kids, continue recon mission, all but one dies. All of that could have been avoided if they had extracted after getting compromised. I genuinely thought they made that part up for the movie. We're compromised? Nah, lets go on lol
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Frosted Flake posted:Care to shine some light on Operator worship? The way I see it, the whole SF/Operator worship is just symptomatic of the nature of GWOT, and the role special forces have played in it. That, and they were the first ones in Afghanistan after the towers fell and America was out of revenge. That positioned them as an ~icon~ of the war of terror. What's a better counter to an invisible enemy that blends in a crowd, than a surgical elite force? In addition, they make for a really good subject for the entertainment industry which results in a loop wherein the SF operators themselves are both the subjects as well as the consumers of the cultural texts that mostly emphasize how loving rad and HIGH SPEED they are. No wonder that they start doing poo poo like canoeing, and carrying tomahawks etc etc. When every single part of your culture emphasizes your greatness, it's really easy to start believing it, and that you're above everything. This is all just off the cuff opinions, as I don't really deal Special Force/Operator stuff. I'm mostly writing about how veteran literature can provide a voice for the experiences that are often marginalized, because they don't fit the hegemonic view of what constitutes the cultural image of a veteran. Actually, I should really look more into it the whole SF hype as it epitomizes everything's that's broken about the the general public's perception of military life. quote:The most memorable WW2 memoirs I remember reading growing up were all written by cold, miserable grunts, whereas I see the HSLD titles selling pretty well from the GWOT era. More speculation, but it could also have something to do with the fact that the average American of today is much more disconnected from the realities of military life compared to WW2. Back then, probably everyone knew someone who served either in the Pacific or Europe. Compare that to now: most Americans are barely connected to the military at all, and are shaped by what movies, tv shows, and video games show war to be. That's why memoirs like the American Sniper do well, they presents all the thrills of "war" in a clear cut , black and white, and easy to understand package, without the moral uncertainties and shades of grey of the real world. Just like the movies. There is no personal connection like with WW2.
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Missionary Positron posted:I'm mostly writing about how veteran literature can provide a voice for the experiences that are often marginalized, because they don't fit the hegemonic view of what constitutes the cultural image of a veteran. Sounds interesting - care to share some titles?
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Frosted Flake posted:Care to shine some light on Operator worship? Nobody who spent 6+ months jerking off in a portashitter and raking sand/rocks while surviving a dozen mortar rounds a month is writing a book. Not yet, anyway. Remember that all those WWII memoirs came out years later. The 2020s are probably going to be full of novel-length versions of the dick book's stories.
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Dukket posted:Sounds interesting - care to share some titles? Redeployment by Phil Klay is a collection of short stories that comes to mind. Mainly because it's also my paper's main focus  .
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Godholio posted:Nobody who spent 6+ months jerking off in a portashitter and raking sand/rocks while surviving a dozen mortar rounds a month is writing a book. Not yet, anyway. Remember that all those WWII memoirs came out years later. The 2020s are probably going to be full of novel-length versions of the dick book's stories. That's also true. The usual cycle goes poetry -> fiction -> memoirs. Currently we're going through the fiction phase. EDIT: Had to dig up the worst example of the OORAH-garbage I used in my seminar presentation:  I mean, JFC. Missionary Positron fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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I honestly need to write my memories down....it's starting to get further and further away from when I was in Iraq. gently caress it's already been 10 god drat years.
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Rare Nuclear Test Films Saved, Declassified, and Uploaded to YouTubequote:Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) weapon physicist Greg Spriggs has made it his mission to preserve these 7,000 known films, many of them literally decomposing while they’re still classified and hidden from the public. LLNL Atmospheric Nuclear Tests: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvGO_dWo8VfcmG166wKRy5z-GlJ_OQND5
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Pesticide20 posted:Rare Nuclear Test Films Saved, Declassified, and Uploaded to YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZIkG1kWRng oh yeah thats the good stuff edit: the videos just showing a glowing ball, is that just measuring the light/radiation given off or something?
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Missionary Positron posted:That's also true. The usual cycle goes poetry -> fiction -> memoirs. Currently we're going through the fiction phase. Which is great because the original Jarhead is the story of how being a Marine in Iraq kinda sucks and there's no real glory, just a lot of boredom and masturbation in between nearly being blown up by accident.
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