loquacius posted:I think the main roadblock with the Jets is that there aren't any good cupcake flavors that are green Mojito cupcakes are amazing
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im glad they leaked this just to give the jets that final kick in the nuts
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Mar 15, 2017 18:55
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"Congrats on being the off-season champions" isn't really as acerbic a zinger this year, for some reason.
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Mar 15, 2017 18:55
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evilweasel posted:im glad they leaked this just to give the jets that final kick in the nuts https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/842067834125602817
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Mar 15, 2017 18:59
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Leperflesh posted:The pats can make literally any RB look amazingly good.
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Mar 15, 2017 19:02
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Diva Cupcake posted:I'm pretty sure they already knew. It looks like both the Jets and Steelers pulled their offers when he left. From what I read the Steelers didn't pull their offer when he left but threatened to if he got on a plane and left Pittsburg. Which is an odd thing to do considering phones have existed for a very long time so it didn't really do them any favors in preventing him from showing the offer to NE.
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Mar 15, 2017 19:05
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evilweasel posted:From what I read the Steelers didn't pull their offer when he left but threatened to if he got on a plane and left Pittsburg. Which is an odd thing to do considering phones have existed for a very long time so it didn't really do them any favors in preventing him from showing the offer to NE. We're in an age also where a player's career trajectory was altered for want of a fax machine, so I wouldn't be surprised by anything that comes out of the negotiating process.
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Not that it will matter because the Patriots are just going to win another Super Bowl and we'll be treated to yet another offseason of think pieces of the genius of Belichick, but any other front office paying Gilmore and Hightower that much money would have been compared to the Dolphins, Redskins, or Dream Team Eagles by now.
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Diva Cupcake posted:I guess it depends if he wants Jamie Collins money or not. This was SOOOOO stupid.
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fsif posted:Not that it will matter because the Patriots are just going to win another Super Bowl and we'll be treated to yet another offseason of think pieces of the genius of Belichick, but any other front office paying Gilmore and Hightower that much money would have been compared to the Dolphins, Redskins, or Dream Team Eagles by now. Hyped New England teams blow. It's the underdog squads you need to watch out for With a squad this hyped I would be shocked if Bradys Achilles makes it through training camp
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Counterpoint: Brandon Bolden Bolden has been a useful special team player who occasionally contributes in the running game and can catch passes. In week 4, 2012, he rushed for 137 yards on 16 carries with an 11 yard reception and a touchdown, typical of how Bellichek uses his backup RBs; mostly as backups, but when he finds exactly the right matchup, he makes them look really good for one game. Looks like he's still on the roster and unsurprisingly so. I'm not sure if he's a good counterpoint to the argument.
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Blitz7x posted:Hyped New England teams blow. It's the underdog squads you need to watch out for 2007 was pretty hyped.
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lol seattle taking steps to keep feast mode in checkquote:Lacy's deal with the Seahawks is worth up to $5.55 million, a source told ESPN's Adam Schefter. The contract includes $2.865 million fully guaranteed, plus an additional $2.685 million in bonuses tied to how often Lacy is active on game days, his weight and his total rushing yards.
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evilweasel posted:2007 was pretty hyped. 2014 with Revis and (pre-career meltdown) Browner too.
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evilweasel posted:2007 was pretty hyped. I don't remember 2007 ever being that hyped up. There were people speculating that Moss was going to be cut or traded by the end of preseason - he spent the month of August nursing a hamstring injury and no one had really seen him play. Wes Welker was just a decent player, nothing special at the time. And no one really knew what Brady could do if you actually put him in a pass first offense and gave him great receivers. I don't think the hype started until after the first couple of games when it became clear what Brady and Moss could do together. I remember they destroyed the Jets and Chargers, then spygate happened. And after that point the hype went crazy, with Belichick refusing to ever let off the gas.
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I think it is pretty lovely of the Patriots to get the title of offseason champs when they are already the regular season champs. If they go 4-0 this preseason.... 
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evilweasel posted:2007 was pretty hyped. Not blow, but just end up very unlucky
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Mar 15, 2017 19:36
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AFC East step it the gently caress up
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Mar 15, 2017 19:36
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I wouldn't worry too much about Brady going down. Jimmy G is in the exclusive club of players that 'cannot be traded for for the 1st and 12th pick in the draft club', according to 'sources'. NE will be fine.
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I'm still seeing a lot of speculation pieces about how Jimmy to the Browns is "inevitable" because the Browns' best option atm is Osweiler and the Patriots don't have any draft picks left in round 1 or 2, but I still don't really believe it That said even if Jimmy is traded NE will probably still be fine because Brissett did ok when his thumb was in one piece and the team is better now than it was then
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Michael Corleone posted:I wouldn't worry too much about Brady going down. Jimmy G is in the exclusive club of players that 'cannot be traded for for the 1st and 12th pick in the draft club', according to 'sources'. NE will be fine. Did the Browns actually offer that or is that just moronic NE hype?
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loquacius posted:I'm still seeing a lot of speculation pieces about how Jimmy to the Browns is "inevitable" because the Browns' best option atm is Osweiler and the Patriots don't have any draft picks left in round 1 or 2, but I still don't really believe it It's one thing for Brissett not to poo poo all over himself in the game he was thrown into by surprise and the other team had no tape on him or reason to even think he'd be playing, it's another to go deep in the playoffs once teams do get tape on you and can prepare against you.
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mcmagic posted:Did the Browns actually offer that or is that just moronic NE hype? No. The rumor is they offered the 12th but the Patriots now want 2 first round picks and/or the #1 pick and the Browns won't go there.
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evilweasel posted:It's one thing for Brissett not to poo poo all over himself in the game he was thrown into by surprise and the other team had no tape on him or reason to even think he'd be playing, it's another to go deep in the playoffs once teams do get tape on you and can prepare against you. Which Garrapolo hasn't shown either. I think people are kidding themselves if they think that the Browns are trading any type of first for Jimmy. It doesn't mesh with anything this front office has done. They have shown that they value cheap, controllable assets above all else, going so far as to paying a team money for one. And now, all of a sudden, they are going to trade one of their most valuable assets AND pay a long-term contract to an unproven commodity when they could just keep the pick and save money with a different unknown commodity.
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I will say this, I think the regime in Cleveland knows they need to show some progress, they can't have another 1 or 2 win season or they'll all be fired. I doubt they'll want to rely on Cody Kessler or Brock Osweiler to get them to the 4-5 win promised land. And none of the quarterback prospects look particularly promising, certainly not as guys who you can plug in right away. I think this really leaves the Browns in a tough position with an uninspiring list of free agent QB's or taking a gamble on a somewhat unknown commodity like Jimmy G. Edit: If you're Sashi and Hue would you rather hook your wagon to Jimmy G or one of these guys? Colin Kaepernick Jay Cutler Ryan Fitzpatrick Robert Griffin III Chase Daniel Josh McCown Case Keenum Shaun Hill Matt McGloin E.J. Manuel Blaine Gabbert Mark Sanchez Geno Smith Dan Orlovsky Josh Johnson Christian Ponder Thaddeus Lewis T.J. Yates Kellen Moore Ryan Nassib David Fales Bruce Gradkowski Austin Davis Charlie Whitehurst Impossibly Perfect Sphere fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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This is a super weak QB class, and as people said earlier in the context of Brandin Cooks, it's a better idea to have a young prospect who you at least know for sure can play on a professional level than a young prospect fresh out of college. I think the Browns could make worse decisions, but evilweasel has a point about Brissett  e: I wouldn't trade #1 AND #12 for him though, maybe a first and a second but that feels like a lot too
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I don't understand why everyone in the NFL commentariat has the memory of a hermit crab when it comes to New England shopping around their backups. https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/316725851733520385
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Finally things are turning up Patriots. Unironically this!
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fsif posted:I don't understand why everyone in the NFL commentariat has the memory of a hermit crab when it comes to New England shopping around their backups. Seriously. My presumption is that the most likely scenario is he gets traded off for the Matt Cassel package sometime around the draft.
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Kalli posted:Seriously. My presumption is that the most likely scenario is he gets traded off for the Matt Cassel package sometime around the draft. I think he's shown more potential (by not showing as much!) than Cassel ever did. I don't think NE trades him for anything that isn't a low 1st or adds up to one.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I will say this, I think the regime in Cleveland knows they need to show some progress, they can't have another 1 or 2 win season or they'll all be fired. I doubt they'll want to rely on Cody Kessler or Brock Osweiler to get them to the 4-5 win promised land. And none of the quarterback prospects look particularly promising, certainly not as guys who you can plug in right away. I think this really leaves the Browns in a tough position with an uninspiring list of free agent QB's or taking a gamble on a somewhat unknown commodity like Jimmy G.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I think he's shown more potential (by not showing as much!) than Cassel ever did. I don't think NE trades him for anything that isn't a low 1st or adds up to one. Yeah, I just don't think there's the market for him. The Browns are clearly not a QB away, and look to be on a course like the Raiders, Bengals, 49ers and Vikings have/had done, which is to build a solid team, then plug in a QB when they get one. If not Jimmy, then a late 1st / early 2nd round guy, or one next year, they're on a long term plan still. And aside from the Browns, who's even expressed interest? The 49ers are on last year's version of the Browns' plan, the Bears decided they'd rather spend on Glennon then spend draft capital, and the Jets wouldn't do it on principal. Even if Washington wants to continue cutting off their leg, I don't think their front office is even functional to decide or make the trades necessary for that to happen.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I think he's shown more potential (by not showing as much!) than Cassel ever did. I don't think NE trades him for anything that isn't a low 1st or adds up to one. Cassel at least had an entire season's worth of material to work with. Garappolo could easily be Matt Flynn 2.0. (Not that I disagree that with your point that NE won't trade him for less than a 1.)
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Kalli posted:Yeah, I just don't think there's the market for him. I agree, there is not a huge market, I think it is literally one team at this point, the Browns and maybe the 49ers. But I think if the Browns were serious about one of the free agent options there would have been some chatter about that by now. They absolutely cannot go into the 2017 season with just Brock and Kody, for the aforementioned reasons (pink slips). So I think they are totally still in the Jimmy G market. However at the same time, I think New England is willing to sit on him for another year to if they don't get what they want. Perhaps with a soon to be 40 year old at QB they value a little QB insurance more than they do a 2nd round pick.
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Browns trading any firsts for Jimmy G would be as stupid as the Rams trading two drafts away for Jared Goff
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Michael Corleone posted:I wouldn't worry too much about Brady going down. Jimmy G is in the exclusive club of players that 'cannot be traded for for the 1st and 12th pick in the draft club', according to 'sources'. NE will be fine. agree w/ you that tom Brady is a system qb
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The Browns absolutely can go into the season with Kessler and <____> at QB. Why would they be at risk of being fired if this is a nothing season? Everything they've done and indicated over the past two years was righting the ship through a long rebuilding process. I also don't buy that the Patriots are even that high on Jimmy or see him as the future. They spent a 3rd round pick on a QB in last year's draft afterall.
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Kalli posted:They spent a 3rd round pick on a QB in last year's draft afterall. Belichick knew at that point that he would need a 3rd QB for at least 4 games because of the Brady suspension and the best brains in football (Bill and Ernie) certainly planned for the eventuality that they want to trade Jimmy G after the season and that 2017 was a weak QB class, so they drafted their next backup QB, who won them a game. Spending 2 first round picks for Jimmy G is just smart, as he has the same number of Super Bowl rings as Peyton Manning and twice as many as Aaron Rodgers.
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