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unbutthurtable posted:Who is Todd Hitler? https://twitter.com/Boringstein/status/841322433340686337
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Hulk Krogan posted:A twitter account that shits on the DSA for being too normie fairly regularly. can someone explain to me why people take twitter seriously
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Mar 15, 2017 05:51
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Does anyone whose income doesn't, in some way, rely on it?
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Mar 15, 2017 05:52
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unbutthurtable posted:Who is Todd Hitler? pro follow
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Mar 15, 2017 11:59
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Being normie is the best thing about DSA. It's like the primary thing that makes it more likely to succeed than other leftist groups.
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Mar 15, 2017 15:49
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It's basically the same thing that happens with music. People whose identities are entirely wrapped up in one thing and in arguing about it online love nothing more than finding excuses to call other people posers. I guess 80's metal kitsch is sort of in now so every other week some pop star is spotted wearing a Slayer shirt and people who take being a metalhead online get super loving mad about it. There are plenty of legit criticisms to be made of DSA but 90% of the bitching about it I see on twitter seem like the socialist version of people who scream about Lady Gaga stealing their thrash metal valor or whatever. Hulk Krogan has issued a correction as of 16:12 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Mar 15, 2017 15:58
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DSA should be more normie, imo. Like not changing policy or anything but toning down the "comrade" and memes.
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Mar 15, 2017 16:04
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an actual dog posted:DSA should be more normie, imo. Like not changing policy or anything but toning down the "comrade" and memes. Why not just be centrist dems then
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Mar 15, 2017 16:37
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comrade memes are good, comrade
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Mar 15, 2017 16:42
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an actual dog posted:DSA should be more normie, imo. Like not changing policy or anything but toning down the "comrade" and memes. We're socialists, dude. "Comrade" is fun to say! "Buckaroo" is also good, as is "Lil' Buddy".
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Mar 15, 2017 16:45
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Phi230 posted:Why not just be centrist dems then You need normies to be part of the revolution comrade
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Mar 15, 2017 17:03
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Look I don't care if you're a curious progressive, a socdem, a demsoc, a Luxemburgist, a Leninist, a Trot, an ML, a Maoist, an anarchist, a leftcom, or some other crazy thing, but if you aren't down with comrade and memes you ain't no comrade of mine.
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Mar 15, 2017 17:10
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an actual dog posted:DSA should be more normie, imo. Like not changing policy or anything but toning down the "comrade" and memes. I agree 100% with this. I get that it's a joke and comrade+memes make it a fun thing to be a part of, but you are scaring off people who may otherwise be interested in joining. My wife is pretty left and I had to talk her into ignoring that stuff and joining anyways. She couldn't be happier and is doing quite a bit of volunteering, but is still put off by some of it. Keep that poo poo to RocketChat. Anything public facing should consider the fact that you want to bring centerist Dems into the fold. If the only thing DSA is going after is people further left of them... uh... we have a problem.
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Mar 15, 2017 17:11
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SomeMathGuy posted:Look I don't care if you're a curious progressive, a socdem, a demsoc, a Luxemburgist, a Leninist, a Trot, an ML, a Maoist, an anarchist, a leftcom, or some other crazy thing, but if you aren't down with comrade and memes you ain't no comrade of mine. That fact that you even know those terms, let alone know what they mean, puts you miles apart from a good portion of people we need to bring into this big tent org.
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Mar 15, 2017 17:14
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Suppressing everything fun and appealing about being the socialist alternative is idiotic.
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Mar 15, 2017 17:30
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Memes and comrade stuff is fun, you shouldnt use jargon heavy speak around anyone who wont understand it and you should develop a reading circle/group in your DSA designed to help educate libs and new ppl on socialist theory.
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Mar 15, 2017 17:35
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The occasional meme about 'fully-automated gay space luxury communism' may make you that guy, though. Also, here's a fun discussion item that I reliably raise eyebrows with: quote:Here's one data point worth remembering. When you measure the test scores of American schools with a child poverty rate of less than 20%, our kids not only outperform the Finns, they outperform every nation in the world. quote:the Southern Education Foundation reveals that nearly half of all U.S. public school students live in poverty. Poverty has risen in every state since President Clinton left office. Our 'public education crisis' is actually a poverty crisis. Public education is typically thought of in context of public education. It needs to be thought of in context of poverty. What can be done in that direction? Breakfast programs, improved lunches, more after-school programs, etc. A lot of the poorest students at my high school had bad grades and the bad grades kept them out of extra-curriculars. I wonder if that policy is common and targetable?
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Mar 15, 2017 17:36
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Internet Explorer posted:That fact that you even know those terms, let alone know what they mean, puts you miles apart from a good portion of people we need to bring into this big tent org. Oh I'm actually well aware of that and I think generally the left has a communication issue with respect to the rest of the political spectrum (real talk does anyone right of Trotsky even know what "praxis" is?). But in-jokes and acknowledgement of the fact that we really are socialists are not the real problem there.
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Mar 15, 2017 17:39
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I think the national org could do more to highlight the actual work its chapters do, which would probably help appeal to people who aren't online irony boys, but this complaint becoming so ubiquitous is kind of weird to me. When I tell normie friends about DSA I talk about the work my local is doing and how that ties into an overall criticism of centrist liberalism. I don't talk to them about, like, Larry Website, or YDSA chapters dunking on the Turning Point USA twitter account. Outside of Larry and some of the YDSA chapters on twitter, it seems like most of the official, public facing outlets for the organization ARE pretty normie? The DSA facebook page mostly shares articles from the website and my chapter's Facebook page primarily posts the various events and actions going on around here.
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Mar 15, 2017 17:43
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It's ok to admit that you don't get the jokes.
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Mar 15, 2017 17:46
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I like to greet new members of my chapter by yelling GO ON CUMTOWN BITCH then telling them im gonna throw them in the gulag.
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Mar 15, 2017 17:51
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I think when people table at events, instead of flyers they should have a laptop open to the dank meme stash.
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Mar 15, 2017 17:59
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SomeMathGuy posted:(real talk does anyone right of Trotsky even know what "praxis" is?). That's the Klingon moon that exploded right?
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Mar 15, 2017 18:08
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I think DSA should be less normie, but one of the organizers says our focus here in our area is dismantling hierarchy. So maybe not so normie around here?
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Mar 15, 2017 18:56
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Hulk Krogan posted:Outside of Larry and some of the YDSA chapters on twitter, it seems like most of the official, public facing outlets for the organization ARE pretty normie? The DSA facebook page mostly shares articles from the website and my chapter's Facebook page primarily posts the various events and actions going on around here. The twitter account is more memey but that's just what twitter is like. In any case, none of the stuff I mentioned is a huge problem or makes me less enthusiastic about the DSA. I just think it's kinda weird lol
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Mar 15, 2017 19:34
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The DSAs social media is about 100x better than the democrats or republicans.
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Mar 15, 2017 19:36
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Internet Explorer posted:I agree 100% with this. I get that it's a joke and comrade+memes make it a fun thing to be a part of, but you are scaring off people who may otherwise be interested in joining. My wife is pretty left and I had to talk her into ignoring that stuff and joining anyways. She couldn't be happier and is doing quite a bit of volunteering, but is still put off by some of it. i think the fact that we're not yet another stuffy activist group is the most important component to our success. i think the DSA memery and general jokiness has been the most effective part of the growing of the org so far. DSA should be fun and cool and full of people with a good sense of humor and not full of the standard activist type person that is super annoying and tiring to be around. think about how terrible and insufferable the centrist hillary supporters you've met are and ask yourself if they're going to help build a movement. politically active people are the exception to the norm and we should be shooting for people that want to be active, are good to be around, and are willing to be a little idealistic and rebellious. basically the opposite of anyone that would have been volunteering for centrist dem campaigns pre trump. i think an overly sanitized public face is boring and won't help us be distinctive from the dems or moveon.org or whatever lovely liberal groups already exist. socialists in the US are people willing to break out of the capitalist ideology that we're all raised under. it takes a little bit of a rebel personality-wise to get there and we don't want to lose what attracts those kinds of people to our org. if we scare off some centrist dem boomers who gives a poo poo, they were gonna ruin the happy hour anyway.
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Mar 15, 2017 20:17
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https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/842080673066299393 this is why we meme
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Mar 15, 2017 20:27
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the meme wars are real and are being fought for the fate of humankind as we speak
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Mar 15, 2017 20:41
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I think memes and social media that isn't overly sanitized are pretty cool, and I also think we need normies. So let's do both
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Mar 15, 2017 20:55
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All we have to do is make socialism cool again, which is what Chapo and memes do. If we walk on eggshells about our beliefs we are no different than the democrat pusses
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Mar 15, 2017 20:59
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It's not the sense of humor that will ever be a problem, that's actually Very Good, it's avoiding the jargon that makes the humor inaccessible to outsiders.
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Mar 15, 2017 21:00
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Phi230 posted:All we have to do is make socialism cool again, which is what Chapo and memes do. At the same time I can't see a better way to permanently turn someone off from the cause by having their first impression being talked down to for not being serious enough, getting bogged down in jargon, or watching a Bolshevik/menshevik slapfight at their first meeting
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Mar 15, 2017 21:09
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Recommended meme repositories? Personally, I'm a big fan of whatever this 'fully-automated luxury communism' business is.
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Mar 15, 2017 21:16
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all i mean is i didn't join a socialist org to hang out with centrist dem nerds.
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Mar 15, 2017 21:20
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Business Gorillas posted:At the same time I can't see a better way to permanently turn someone off from the cause by having their first impression being talked down to for not being serious enough, getting bogged down in jargon, or watching a Bolshevik/menshevik slapfight at their first meeting If they come to a DSA meeting without the understanding that it is a left organization then why are they showing up people susceptible to radicalization show up, and then you ease them into the left. No Hill shill or liberal coward is coming to DSA meetings in good faith if at all
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if we dilute our beliefs and ideas to cater to people who can just as easily be converted to believe in the holy doctrine of Marx then why dilute it in the first place. Here's your quick reminder that we cannot convert liberals or centrists without them already being disillusioned with liberalism or centrism in the first place. We are never gonna convert Sally Albright or whoever the gently caress whats next, we aren't gonna teach Marx or Lenin in the reading groups? Gonna drop anti-capitalism next? Yeah DSA are just socdems but compromising on your beliefs will just make you a poo poo dem in the end Like you're assuming people are stupid. We had our chapter's Political Officer teach the fundamentals of Marxism, including the basics and background of both Marxism and capitalism, in like 30 minutes in simple and easy terms. If you think people are stupid babies to be coddled not only will that dilute our message but turn people off harder than the strawman you build Phi230 has issued a correction as of 21:41 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Mar 15, 2017 21:35
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The most recent DSA Facebook post is getting some lovely comments from men who don't want to read about feminism. I don't know that I have the rhetorical skills to right that ship, but it seems like a much worse problem than fighting over memes. Although there are tankie memes getting posted that are bad bad bad. It's the first time I have cringed at any DSA thing. https://www.facebook.com/demsocialists/posts/1208673349231479
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Mar 15, 2017 21:39
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Phi230 posted:compromising on your beliefs will just make you a poo poo dem in the end Not to mention, why? An unprofessional narcissist was just elected president. Stability is an illusion, hard-won but existing always on a razor's edge. Anything can happen. Just find some like minded people and do your thing.
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Jack Gladney posted:The most recent DSA Facebook post is getting some lovely comments from men who don't want to read about feminism. I don't know that I have the rhetorical skills to right that ship, but it seems like a much worse problem than fighting over memes. If there are anti-feminists then they don't belong in a socialist organization and should be purged ASAP and there's nothing wrong with tankie memes they get the anti-fascist blood pumping
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