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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Jay Rust posted:

What other fandoms are you thinking of, ImpAtom?

Pretty much any one. There are generally two kinds of crazy-rear end fans:

A) The ones who want to hate something and go batshit when it gets any kind of positive response
B) The ones who want to love something and go batshit when it gets any kind of negative response.

I've seen it with Resident Evil, with Final Fantasy, with Pokemon, with Super Robot Wars. I personally gotten death threats (admittedly ignorable ones which I don't give a poo poo about) when I criticized Assassin's Creed 1 before the game even came out. Fans are crazy when hype or anti-hype comes into play.

People get crazy about games that have either big hype expectations or big failure expectations about them. They get really crazy invested in it.

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Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




if you build your identity around things it gets messy

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

If you criticize things I like, you're criticizing me!!

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

If I don't defend media corporations, who will??

tap my mountain
Jan 1, 2009

I'm the quick and the deadly
I refuse to believe that there are asscreed superfans.

I just thought it was a generic geek Funko bait property, the game is too vanilla for somebody to care strongly about it.

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!

bloodychill posted:

How does a game engine regress so much

take a lovely engine, stretch it out as far as you possibly can over the course of 17 years

e; wait, this is about mass effect, not the elder scrolls

take an average engine, stretch it out as far as you possibly can over the course of 10 years

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

tap my mountain posted:

I refuse to believe that there are asscreed superfans.

I just thought it was a generic geek Funko bait property, the game is too vanilla for somebody to care strongly about it.

I don't know if there are Assassin's Creed megafans now but I'm talking about the original Assassin's Creed which was a mega-hype thing. People were super excited about it and it had a metric shitload of push behind it and people were genuinely expecting it to redefine gaming entirely.

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

tap my mountain posted:

I refuse to believe that there are asscreed superfans.

I just thought it was a generic geek Funko bait property, the game is too vanilla for somebody to care strongly about it.

I mean ezio probably has the most badass character design imaginable if you're 12



idk who the main character is now

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

um the main character has always been Desmond

suuma
Apr 2, 2009
rear end Creed 1 got a ton of hype but I think a lot of that in hindsight is because it was one of the earliest "go anywhere do whatever" games. Free running was still a relatively new concept in that time, as were Ubisoft open world checkbox-a-thons.

AC1 wasn't very good, but it had a lot of good systems. AC2 was much better in comparison.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

oddium posted:

um the main character has always been Desmond

Desmond died half the series ago.

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

doesn't asscreed 4 use memories they pull from his dead body. and the rest probably do something similar

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

oddium posted:

um the main character has always been Desmond

significantly less badass



e: I just noticed the tribal sleeve nevermind

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




tap my mountain posted:

I refuse to believe that there are asscreed superfans.

I just thought it was a generic geek Funko bait property, the game is too vanilla for somebody to care strongly about it.

i met a guy who wore an asscreed logo hat all the time once but i pretended not to recognize it

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Assassin's Creed is almost a decade old.

Olive!
Mar 16, 2015

It's not a ghost, but probably a 'living corpse'. The 'living dead' with a hell of a lot of bloodlust...

ImpAtom posted:

Desmond died half the series ago.

Desmond is Unbreakable

Phantasium
Dec 27, 2012

ImpAtom posted:

Desmond died half the series ago.

so you're saying Desmond lived longer than the asscreed series.

Sunning
Sep 14, 2011
Nintendo Guru

The Colonel posted:

take a lovely engine, stretch it out as far as you possibly can over the course of 17 years

e; wait, this is about mass effect, not the elder scrolls

take an average engine, stretch it out as far as you possibly can over the course of 10 years

Bioware uses DICE's Frostbite 3.0 for Mass Effect Andromeda since it's great for creating large environments with modern shader effects. However, much of its development tools and rendering pathway are optimized for multiplayer shooters. Bioware had to do a number of modification when using it for RPGs For example, they had to code in a pause function during combat for Inquisition. With Andromeda, there's probably quite a bit of engineering left to do compared to what they had with Unreal Engine 3 by Mass Effect 3.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
It's card games and not video games but there are multiple tales of game stores telling Yu Gi Oh players that they aren't welcome any more...I don't mean specific players, I mean people who play Yu Gi Oh period...because the crowd they attract is so intensely toxic that it drives other customers away, and that's kind of a big deal since Yu Gi Oh is an extremely profitable game for many brick and mortar stores so for them to say "we don't want you here, go away" means they're willing to give that up just to not deal with the fan base.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Kai Tave posted:

It's card games and not video games but there are multiple tales of game stores telling Yu Gi Oh players that they aren't welcome any more...I don't mean specific players, I mean people who play Yu Gi Oh period...because the crowd they attract is so intensely toxic that it drives other customers away, and that's kind of a big deal since Yu Gi Oh is an extremely profitable game for many brick and mortar stores so for them to say "we don't want you here, go away" means they're willing to give that up just to not deal with the fan base.

I've heard that it's also because they tend to play for money in tournaments and that attracts people who act a lot shittier.

Monkey Fracas
Sep 11, 2010

...but then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you!
Grimey Drawer

bloodychill posted:

The DLC is not very interesting.

If you go in with New Vegas expectations, it will be a huge disappointment. If you go in with "is it better than F03" expectations, you will enjoy yourself. Mostly. There are a lot of neat sidequests, the shooting feels better, the way they did power armor was pretty cool, and some people really enjoyed the base-building stuff. The MC voice acting was pretty solid for both the man and lady options. I chose the lady since it was the same VA who voice Jack in ME2. The main quest was... a little better? It was not good though. In addition, I think they should have flat-out cut the radiant quest system, which would generate generic unremarkable quests that weren't immediately recognizable until after you had done a few and noticed they didn't go anywhere. It was really easy to start doing them without realizing they were just empty treadmill content and burn-out out on the game instead of exploring and doing the fun sidequests.

Y'know what I can live with that. Still waiting on a discounted GOTY edition though.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
I don't recall people losing their poo poo when Spirit Tracks got mediocre reviews. Did that happen?

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

probably not because minish cap + phantom hourglass were bad so everyone expected it

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




i like minish cap and had fun wishing phantom hourglass was more like windwaker

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Grapplejack posted:

I've heard that it's also because they tend to play for money in tournaments and that attracts people who act a lot shittier.

A lot of game stores will hold tournaments for things like store credit or special swag as prizes, it isn't usually a cash pot going to the winner, but yeah, apparently the game draws a mix of hypercompetitive and abrasive 12 year olds with insanely toxic attitudes and creepy 40 year olds that most parents don't want around their kids. Like people make fun of Magic players but I've never heard any game store owner or regular have anything positive to say about Yu Gi Oh.

Olive!
Mar 16, 2015

It's not a ghost, but probably a 'living corpse'. The 'living dead' with a hell of a lot of bloodlust...

Real hurthling! posted:

i like minish cap and had fun wishing phantom hourglass was more like windwaker

Same. I would never try to play either of them again. (eh, maaaybe Minish Cap.)

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




the hat and tiny link are pretty cool

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

oddium posted:

probably not because minish cap + phantom hourglass were bad so everyone expected it

Phantom Hourglass is actually like, the 5th best Zelda game.

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
minish cap is my favorite 2d zelda game

phantom hourglass kind of blows though

Poops Mcgoots
Jul 12, 2010

A couple of my friends worked at a comic shop for a couple years and they consistently hated the Yu Gi Oh players for a variety of reasons. The least surprising one that stuck in my mind is that the ratio of normal card mat to card mat with an anime girl with her titties out was skewed way more to the latter.

an actual dog
Nov 18, 2014

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

That's disappointing. I keep building this huge backlog of quirky indie story games like Oxenfree, Virginia, and Kentucky Route Zero, but every time I even mouse over them I suddenly find myself playing another round of Overwatch instead

These folks have weird opinions, the ending of Night in the Woods is pretty good and if you don't see how it connects to everything else you weren't paying attention. At the very least I don't see how it would ruin the game for anyone.

To be specific: The point of "the hole in the center of everything", this feeling of doom that you can't explain, is that it feels exactly the same as the non-magical pressures the characters are under. It's kind of uncanny to the point where it's not entirely clear there was something magical going on at all.

I don't think it's anyone's favorite part of the game (there's a few parts that are clumsy) but it's definitely not game ruining. There's also a very good epilogue! Night in the Woods owns really hard!

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Kai Tave posted:

It's card games and not video games but there are multiple tales of game stores telling Yu Gi Oh players that they aren't welcome any more...I don't mean specific players, I mean people who play Yu Gi Oh period...because the crowd they attract is so intensely toxic that it drives other customers away, and that's kind of a big deal since Yu Gi Oh is an extremely profitable game for many brick and mortar stores so for them to say "we don't want you here, go away" means they're willing to give that up just to not deal with the fan base.

Pretty unrelated but the Yu Gi Oh cartoon makes the Pokemon cartoon look logical and is almost pure marketing.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




forming a life long bond of friendship with blue eyes white dragon

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Real hurthling! posted:

forming a life long bond of friendship with blue eyes white dragon

According to a friend of mine apparently the plot is that that dude was an ancient egyptian in a previous life whose waifu turned into a dragon and the cards represent his eternal magic bond with his dead waifu.

I am never entirely sure when my friend is bullshitting me about YGO but I assume the answer is never.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Everyone solves their problems by playing Yu Gi Oh, I saw half of one newer episode where a cop has to beat the protagonist at Yu Gi Oh to be able to arrest him.

It's like if Transfromers was drama literally about kids playing with toys.

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

That's Pokemon too.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

oddium posted:

probably not because minish cap + phantom hourglass were bad so everyone expected it

Minish Cap was good IMHO but either way I think ST was so obviously terrible that nobody really bothered defending it

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer

Jay Rust posted:

That's Pokemon too.

Well, Pokemon games and the Pokemon show are both models of the same premise. But Yu-Gi-Oh the show is just​ about playing Yu-Gi-Oh the game.

Like, in the Pokemon show they Don't play the Pokemon card game or the Pokemon video games. The show is about the same things the games are about.

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon

Poops Mcgoots posted:

A couple of my friends worked at a comic shop for a couple years and they consistently hated the Yu Gi Oh players for a variety of reasons. The least surprising one that stuck in my mind is that the ratio of normal card mat to card mat with an anime girl with her titties out was skewed way more to the latter.

Like actual porn mats out in a comic shop? :psyduck: Seems like they could probably kick them out.

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Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




my ds microphone was broken and i got really mad at the pan pipe section of spirit tracks

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