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raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
I had another Thai girl I would play Street Fighter with and she would always pick Chung Li. She also had a virulent hatred of the Chinese. By also here I mean also in that it matches with my own and also in that despite playing a Chinese character and hating the Chinese this was better for her than picking a man cartoon to battle me with.

I played Ken.

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BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

What if you are the bad one really?

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4
I'm enjoying Haier's wholesome time with his Chinese ladyfriend. He also got his India thread that isn't about extreme bouts of poo poo rivers or rape.

Things are ,uh ,looking up.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Glenn Quebec posted:

I'm enjoying Haier's wholesome time with his Chinese ladyfriend. He also got his India thread that isn't about extreme bouts of poo poo rivers or rape.

Things are ,uh ,looking up.

Link?

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3811789&pagenumber=17&perpage=40

mbt
Aug 13, 2012

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/03/01/china-will-replace-67000-fossil-fueled-taxis-beijing-electric-cars/

west btfo

that last paragraph is pretty lol

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
yo quick great wall chat, if you do go, do not go to badaling. that is the one where there are like thousands of people all shoved together. it will smell terrible, you will barely be able to move, all of your pictures will have hundreds of people in the background gawking at you.

if you do need to go to the great wall, you can go to mutianyu, which is significantly further away from beijing but much less people. it's still a bit touristy (it has like a toboggan or something that you slide down at the end of the wall? i don't remember) but it's pretty picturesque and you'll be able to get some pictures with very few people in the background, especially if you get there early and go quickly ahead of everyone else in your tour group to the end of the wall. a lot of hostels will book trips to mutianyu for you.

if you're looking to be out in the middle of freakin' nowhere you can go to huangyaguan, which is accessible from the city i lived in china, tianjin, which is outside of beijing. i've probably been there like 6 times and i've seen less than 10 tourists there combined. they have one dude who works the gate and a lady who runs a coffee shop at the base of the mountain, but that's pretty much it.

i'm too lazy to look for pictures of these things, you can just GIS "badaling", "mutianyu" and "huangyaguan" and you'll get the point. huangyaguan is really only accessible though by taxi, no tour groups go there that i know of, so you'd have to be like super adventurous to do it. or speak chinese.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I 100% reccomwnd the toboggan if you enjoy placing your life in the hands of the rear end in a top hat behind you who is now a chinese driver on a road with no way to swerve around you.

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8iCBXnBdwg

why would anyone do this?

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I made my whole wedding party do it. The person who went last got hit multiple times by the person following them.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Barudak posted:

I 100% reccomwnd the toboggan if you enjoy placing your life in the hands of the rear end in a top hat behind you who is now a chinese driver on a road with no way to swerve around you.

i mean if you're looking for an authentic chinese experience, there ya go

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

The Great Autismo! posted:

huangyaguan is really only accessible though by taxi, no tour groups go there that i know of, so you'd have to be like super adventurous to do it. or speak chinese.

Why kind of wierdo country is it considered adventurous to take a taxi? Aside from Venezuela.

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006




That reminds me of the video where the dude is doing one of those in America, it looks like up on some foresty mountain. He's a grown as man but he wound up behind a family who's going kind of slow and he's freaking out and screaming. He finally ends up just going full speed and slamming into the back of some teenage, instantly knocking her out.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

If you don't want to get hit, go faster.

Irradiation
Sep 14, 2005

I understand your frustration.
That was in Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y981k2pSfY8

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



*unconcious body hanging limply over side of cart*
"poo poo, she doesn't look so good"

big time bisexual
Oct 16, 2002

Cool Party
hmmmm

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
by ran jijun

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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fp publishing literal chinese propaganda lmao

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
In June 2006, the Asian Journal of Mathematics published a paper by Zhu Xiping of Sun Yat-sen University in China and Huai-Dong Cao of Lehigh University in Pennsylvania, giving a complete description of Perelman's proof of the Poincaré and the geometrization conjectures. The June 2006 paper claimed: "This proof should be considered as the crowning achievement of the Hamilton–Perelman theory of Ricci flow."[20] (Asked about the paper, Perelman said the pair had not contributed anything original, and had simply reworked his proof because they "did not quite understand the argument".)[21]

In November 2006, Cao and Zhu published an erratum disclosing that they had failed to cite properly the previous work of Kleiner and Lott published in 2003. In the same issue, the AJM editorial board issued an apology for what it called "incautions" in the Cao–Zhu paper.[22]

On December 3, 2006, Cao and Zhu retracted the original version of their paper, which was titled "A Complete Proof of the Poincaré and Geometrization Conjectures — Application of the Hamilton–Perelman Theory of the Ricci Flow"[23] and posted a revised version, renamed, more modestly, "Hamilton–Perelman's Proof of the Poincaré Conjecture and the Geometrization Conjecture".[24] Rather than the grand claim of the original abstract, "we give a complete proof", suggesting the proof is by the authors, the revised abstract states: "we give a detailed exposition of a complete proof". The authors also removed the phrase "crowning achievement" from the abstract.

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants
Does anyone browse Quora? A long time ago I clicked China as one of my interests and the questions and answers are always gold, a big ol' China circle-jerk!

quote:

Quora posted:
Why do Chinese people like to boast about their country being so big?
What do they think it says about them if their country is so big? (In order to be able to take pride from something, it has to imply something about you.)


quote:


The mentality of the a middle kingdom, the centre of civilisation, and also a cherished social norm of being 大气(Daqi). Daqi doesn’t appear in a Chinese-English dictionary yet, but I’ll try to translate it. 大 means big, and 气 means air. Generally speaking Daqi means greatness, generosity, grandiosity, an open mind, enlightenment, straightforwardness, macho, etc. Ok, it’s complicated. It is not completely related to patriotism but also almost a philosophy.

It is the most important characteristic of China. It is the origin of her pride, but also of her problems and diversity. When Deng Xiaoping said,”China is a big country with 1.3 billion people.”, he means, a very small number(problem) multiplied by 1.3 billion becomes a very large number(problem), and a very large number(achievement) divided by 1.3 billion becomes a very small number(achievement).

...

And China not only has a larger surface than EU, but she may be more diverse than EU. In many cases, when a Chinese says China is big, he actually says NO to your generalisation. China is demographically, geographically, regionally, economically, culturally diverse and many Chinese know well about this. Different ethnics, and even language barriers, cultural differences between Han Chinese. If you may know that, the GDP per capita of Shanghai is almost 4 times of Gansu province’s. There are regions of permafrost and regions that never snow. There are regions that people eat rice as their main foods and regions with wheat, and regions with sorghum, regions with highland barley, and regions with lamb. There are yellow races, white races and brownish races. Everything is quite possible and it is automatically a wrong statement to say China is such or that. If you really ask me what are the characteristics of China, I could contemplate for quite a while, and only give you a stupid answer, “Well, she’s big.”

Sorry, I really don't know how to answer otherwise. Am I boasting? I'm just sighing my ignorance about China.

Who said anything about America? Who said anything about brainwashing??

quote:

Eh... because we do have a really big country? What's wrong about taking pride of your country? Don’t Americans take pride of their country being "the land of free"? Don't New Yorkers take pride of their city being the best city in the world? Why is it when Chinese people do it, we're "brainwashed by the evil government to love our good for nothing country"?

Plenty of grade-A "what about"-ism, "we're not brainwashed!!!" along with general ignorance of the geography of his own country (note: Chicago to Houston is about 100 miles farther than Shanghai to Bejing):

quote:

First of all, I would like to point out that this question sounds like it stems from a conversation someone had with a random Chinese person on bus in which there was a huge cultural/language disparity. I have been to China several times and I have many, many Chinese friends, but I have never heard any of them brag about how big China is. Maybe, on the occasion that I once mistakenly said that Shanghai isn't that far away from Beijing (it's about from Chicago to Houston), a Chinese friend showed me how far it really was.

...

Even if they do brag about how big the country is, stop for a moment and think about the state of Texas. It's big. Texans will tell you that. Some will also tell you that they are more than willing to secede from the US and become their own republic. While in Texas, everything is bigger: highways, trucks, attitudes, and people (girth). That's what you hear every day. Talk about your brainwash (I lived in Houston for a year). Not annoying at all.

...

Therefore, the question I have for you is this: are Chinese really boasting about how big China is or are they just correcting your underestimation of how large the country is and you just feel threatened that you face an individual with as much pride for his/her country as you have for your own?

China will take over the world by being diverse and inclusive but also totally the same, all at once:

quote:

How did Chinese survive? The culture. People live on the land of China were defeated and ruled by outsiders many times in the history, but those who conquered and been conquered are all assimilated into one identity, the Chinese. That’s why China has been so “big”.

Yes, when we say China is “big”, bigger than the Canada, bigger than the Russia and any other country in the world, we mean China is so “big” culturally. Whereas many westerners still think China is one thing, Chinese culture is homogeneous, the fact is Chinese culture absorbed numerous cultures once existed on or around that land and kept many of them in their original colors. The greatness of this sort of mixed culture is that it has infinite inclusiveness.

... Chinese culture today is forwarding itself by selectively absorbing the modern western counterpart. The confidence on our culture is the source of our confidence on Chinese national rejuvenation.

Because in the process of globlization which is the great historical trend of 21st century, we can’t see any proof in western culture and history that different peoples, races, ethnics can stay together in the earth valliage peacefully. For instance, the religion conflicts between Christianity and Islam lasts for thousands of years and still there today. However, in China we never ever had any religious conflict throughout the long long history even if we have all the major religions from different parts of the world.

The western mentality is a logic of opposition,confrontation and struggle. It can solve some technical problems, but it is doomed to be unable to solve the fundamental problems of humanity’s coexistence, cooperation and development.

Chinese mentality focuses on harmony, consistency and host-guest unity. It can create a new world by eliminating the threat of wars, major conflicts and many other issues that are serious today, like spread of diseases, energy crisis, moral bankruptcy etc.

...

The time when Chinese culture temporarily finished digesting western culture is the very time that long-term peace and prosperity come t0 the humanity.

Now, a palate cleanser:

quote:

The answer to this Why is actually very simple: To feel good. Surprised? Please allow me to elaborate.

To-feel-good—-sometimes expressed as to-be-good—-is probably one of the most important concerns with everybody since our day one of our lives. To be a good baby, good kid, good student, good person, and good somebody that fits in along with various social settings. How possible? Because everything remains the same or in one phase of the same cycle. ...To a German or an Australian it sounds like someone talking about the days 500 more years ago. True. But don’t forget that such belief is still held in many societies in transient from traditional to that of modernity.

Therefore, by the time before you turn to be a teenager living in Germany or Australia or other modern societies, you are required to learn how to tell the difference between an opinion from a fact. So you know that everyone is entitled to have an opinion, the importance of tolerance from there on, and you need to keep questioning everything thru the rest of your life to find the truth. But it’s not the case in traditional societies or that still in transient like China. In China kids are still taught to follow a faith-based teaching, plus that everyone is only a member of his beloved nation (which used to be taught that everyone was merely a screw of the state machine). Speaking of the Chinese society of mainland, kids are never taught how to find the difference between facts and opinions, and the Chinese language tends to mix subjective judgment with objective ones. ... For instance:

They are taught that China is BIG because it is big “since ancient times.” It’s like “you are big since you were born.”

They are taught that China used to be the richest country because over one third of the world economic output is from China back then. It’s like “my ancestors used to be the most wealthy people because they make more money than everyone else did.”

They are taught that the Four Great Inventions is such important for human civilization (but they don’t know that over 97% of human achievements from 800 BC thru 1950—-not to include the past 65 years—-are made after 1400).

... It reminds me the time when China just reopened and people for the first time saw the boot-cut jeans. When too many of us started chasing the fashion the newspaper published write-ups to tell us that the Chinese actually were the first people wearing boot-cut pants. They even put paintings of women of Tang dynasty (618–907) wearing boot-cut silk pants on the paper.

Sometimes to-feel-good is so powerful in influencing the thinking of many Chinese that they simply believe what makes them feel good must be true, and what they dislike must be untrue. There are plenty examples showing in this website.

But, if you assume this to-feel-good is only with Chinese, you are wrong. People are all born the same, meaning with the same brains which have to be nurtured for scientific thinking but are always prone to confusing arguments especially when not to feel good. So, I want to remind whoever feels not good after reading this answer: Please focus on whether there is a truth with what I put down, and let me know about it.

Jimmy Little Balls
Aug 23, 2009

Sheep-Goats posted:

In June 2006, the Asian Journal of Mathematics published a paper by Zhu Xiping of Sun Yat-sen University in China and Huai-Dong Cao of Lehigh University in Pennsylvania, giving a complete description of Perelman's proof of the Poincaré and the geometrization conjectures. The June 2006 paper claimed: "This proof should be considered as the crowning achievement of the Hamilton–Perelman theory of Ricci flow."[20] (Asked about the paper, Perelman said the pair had not contributed anything original, and had simply reworked his proof because they "did not quite understand the argument".)[21]

In November 2006, Cao and Zhu published an erratum disclosing that they had failed to cite properly the previous work of Kleiner and Lott published in 2003. In the same issue, the AJM editorial board issued an apology for what it called "incautions" in the Cao–Zhu paper.[22]

On December 3, 2006, Cao and Zhu retracted the original version of their paper, which was titled "A Complete Proof of the Poincaré and Geometrization Conjectures — Application of the Hamilton–Perelman Theory of the Ricci Flow"[23] and posted a revised version, renamed, more modestly, "Hamilton–Perelman's Proof of the Poincaré Conjecture and the Geometrization Conjecture".[24] Rather than the grand claim of the original abstract, "we give a complete proof", suggesting the proof is by the authors, the revised abstract states: "we give a detailed exposition of a complete proof". The authors also removed the phrase "crowning achievement" from the abstract.

I read this a while ago so can't really remember it properly, but didn't the guy who taught those two also try and get some other mathematician banned from speaking in China or something because he was better than him and was making him lose face?

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


"However, in China we never ever had any religious conflict throughout the long long history" lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungan_Revolt_(1862%E2%80%9377)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungan_Revolt_(1895%E2%80%9396)

just off the top of my head

Yes they weren't 100% religious conflict but almost nothing is. The Crusades weren't either and that's pretty much the ur-example of when people talk about religious warfare.

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Jimmy Little Balls posted:

I read this a while ago so can't really remember it properly, but didn't the guy who taught those two also try and get some other mathematician banned from speaking in China or something because he was better than him and was making him lose face?

I hadn't heard anything about that.

The guy that wrote that proof (which is one of the seven holy grails of modern mathematics for others reading this, I assume you know) is a Russian goonlord supreme and after he won a Fields Medal (like the Nobel but you have to be under 40 to be eligible, it's the ultimate distinguishing for a mathematician and having one writes you a ticket into any academic job you want) and a Millennium Prize (which comes with a million dollars) refused them both saying the proof was the recognition and that the Prize should have been split with the mathematician whose conjecture he actually proved to make things possible. He's an undeniable living genius and he currently is rumored to have withdrawn from mathematics entirely and part of his stated reason for this is his disappointment in other mathematicians cutting in on each other and gabbering for prizes, in other words, he got a glimpse of China and sucked so far away from it into his shell that he has possibly abandoned his life's work over it.

raton fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Mar 16, 2017

Inkfish
Mar 1, 2015

Sheep-Goats posted:

I hadn't heard anything about that.

The guy that wrote that proof, which is one of the seven holy grails of modern mathematics is a Russian goonlord supreme and after he won a Fields Medal and a Millennium Prize (which comes with a million dollars) refused them both saying the proof was the recognition and that the Prize should have been split with the mathematician whose conjecture he actually proved to make things possible. He's one of the undeniable living geniuses and he currently is rumored to have withdrawn from mathematics entirely and part of his stated reason for this is his disappointment in other mathematicians cutting in on each other and gabbering for prizes, in other words, he got a glimpse of China and sucked so far away from it into his shell that he has possibly abandoned his life's work over it.

What's this guy's name?

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Perelman. You can look around for info about the Ponicare conjecture and he'll come up right away.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Inkfish posted:

What's this guy's name?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Perelman

He has always insisted that his American colleague Richard Hamilton deserves equal credit and is generally a super honorable and swell dude so it isn't surprising he got exposed to China and then tried to get as far away as possible (he works in Sweden now)

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax
My boss was sitting at her computer watching videos with the sound way up. I hear her watching one with tons of screaming and crying, so I go look. It's a phone video of a dead baby, about one years old, laying on a hospital bed with the family crying and grieving. The mom faints on the floor while the others are nudging and shaking the kid to wake him up, even though they know he is dead. The doctors are just walking around behind them, ignoring them.
I ask her what happened, and why on Xi's wasted Earth is she watching this awful video?

*My boss is a TCM fanatic and is taking online courses part-time to get a certificate to become a TCM doctor*
Her: "It's a medical video!"
Me: "Ok, but what happened? Why is this baby dead?"
Her: "The baby had a fever, so they took him to the hospital to get medicine. The doctors gave him medicine, but it was too much, too thick. Like sand. So it was in this throat and he couldn't breathe and he died."
Me: "He choked to death on the medicine. Why didn't the doctors do anything?"
Her: "The description says the doctors couldn't do anything to stop that."
Me: "Doctors and nurses can definitely take care of a choking person, and there are ways to clear airways." (I wanted to say REAL, and non-Chinese, doctors and nurses, but she might lose face)
Her: "The doctors couldn't do anything, it was too much medicine."

So, the baby died with about 20 internet-trained "doctors" standing around watching. This also happened because of bogus medicine given by them. LOL @ China's healthcare system.

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants
So I guess the moral of the story is don't trust the white man's "western" medicine?

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
I thought it was 'If your hocuspocus voodoo horseshit kills a kid, shrug and move on'.

yaffle
Sep 15, 2002

Flapdoodle
If you want to see the wall away from vast hordes of people and with some pretty good guides you can contact these guys:
https://www.beijinghikers.com/hike-in-beijing/great-wall-hikes/?utm_source=hh&utm_medium=link&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=home+highlights

I've been on one hike with them and it was pretty good.

Jimmy Little Balls
Aug 23, 2009

Sheep-Goats posted:

I hadn't heard anything about that.

The guy that wrote that proof (which is one of the seven holy grails of modern mathematics for others reading this, I assume you know) is a Russian goonlord supreme and after he won a Fields Medal (like the Nobel but you have to be under 40 to be eligible, it's the ultimate distinguishing for a mathematician and having one writes you a ticket into any academic job you want) and a Millennium Prize (which comes with a million dollars) refused them both saying the proof was the recognition and that the Prize should have been split with the mathematician whose conjecture he actually proved to make things possible. He's an undeniable living genius and he currently is rumored to have withdrawn from mathematics entirely and part of his stated reason for this is his disappointment in other mathematicians cutting in on each other and gabbering for prizes, in other words, he got a glimpse of China and sucked so far away from it into his shell that he has possibly abandoned his life's work over it.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/08/28/manifold-destiny

This is the article I read, the Chinese stuff is nearer the end but the whole thing is worth reading.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Deceitful Penguin posted:

"I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
- Best British Person apparently

Churchill was a shitbag even by the standards of the day, but the sentiment above wasn't exactly uncommon back then. From Kipling to Gandhi, you'd hear similar poo poo.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
a lot of influential people that did amazing things are pretty big shitheads in their personal lives.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


image text goes here

Jimmy Little Balls posted:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/08/28/manifold-destiny

This is the article I read, the Chinese stuff is nearer the end but the whole thing is worth reading.

This was great. My favorite part was this, not for the arithmetic error, but because it was made in order to make the Chinese contribution larger:

quote:

By early June, Yau had begun to promote the proof publicly. On June 3rd, at his mathematics institute in Beijing, he held a press conference. The acting director of the mathematics institute, attempting to explain the relative contributions of the different mathematicians who had worked on the Poincaré, said, “Hamilton contributed over fifty per cent; the Russian, Perelman, about twenty-five per cent; and the Chinese, Yau, Zhu, and Cao et al., about thirty per cent.” (Evidently, simple addition can sometimes trip up even a mathematician.) Yau added, “Given the significance of the Poincaré, that Chinese mathematicians played a thirty-per-cent role is by no means easy. It is a very important contribution.”

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



That article is a pro read. I should start doing what Yau did with more things in my life.

"He had a good idea but I didn't really understand it. I decided to write it out a little more clearly, so I deserve the lion's share of the credit".

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

That article is a pro read. I should start doing what Yau did with more things in my life.

"He had a good idea but I didn't really understand it. I decided to write it out a little more clearly, so I deserve the lion's share of the credit".

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!
Small "oh hey, Taiwan" moment: my boss just walked around handing out cookies. "From Japan!" she smiled. "Everything from Japan is good."

Dr.Radical
Apr 3, 2011

Pirate Radar posted:

Small "oh hey, Taiwan" moment: my boss just walked around handing out cookies. "From Japan!" she smiled. "Everything from Japan is good."

I cite shiokara as a cointerpoint.

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raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

That article is a pro read. I should start doing what Yau did with more things in my life.

"He had a good idea but I didn't really understand it. I decided to write it out a little more clearly, so I deserve the lion's share of the credit".

This Russian wizard looking dude spent years alone in a room solving one of the most aggressively attacked problems in math, did it, and a couple of Chinese professors immediately make a shoddy knockoff of it and are very proud of what they've done.

The article is like "Oh the proof is very short and many statements are heavily compressed" but that's exactly what's valued in a proof. You don't make it better by stringing it out and explaining it to people.

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