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DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b7wNSIIXYY Eh Adolescence has more typical action choreography and I honestly prefer the series ( ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdfdog4Xemo ) with the shots through the side of the arena and the heavy use of alternating character closeups. I think the heavy use of close ups throughout most of the fight scenes really emphasizes how they're more about the different characters' inner turmoil than Utena being the best swordfighter or whatever.

Outside of a few really suspenseful (and awesome) moments like Juri being defeated by the sword falling straight out of the sky (which pans past the girl she loves and the guy kissing as it falls, a shot that appears repeatedly with the girl covering Juri's eyes) the fighters clash for a while and then Utena autowins when the prince comes down, and in many of the fights the fighting is interspersed with cuts to the character conflict established earlier in the ep (juri with that one girl, miki and his sister etc.) In a Kurosawa movie the fights are about one party triumphing over the other in martial skill and the choreography is appropriately flashy to demonstrate that, in Utena they're there to explore the characters' emotions; like how in Miki's car fight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qdNAbCh6NM) he's starting to beat her, but gets distracted by his sister kissing Anthy (his jealousy over her being his reoccuring issue throughout the show) and then you get that cool car swerving still with the light trails and the crashing sound effect as his rose gets popped.

And for stuff like the cars and the black rose desks I think the more theatrical rather than realistic fighting style helps integrate the really surreal elements into the scene, because all of it feels sort of unreal rather than having more realistic choreography clashing with the completely unrealistic environment. (Obviously the latter can be done well but what Utena does is already works)

tldr:

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Yes_Cantaloupe
Feb 28, 2005
Utena is the best anime.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Yes_Cantaloupe posted:

Utena is the best anime.

This is it, the moment Cant abandoned Love Live.

Yes_Cantaloupe
Feb 28, 2005
I had an Utena av well before I had a LL av.

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
The hosed up thing is

I I took the time to write this effort post at three in the morning and I don't even like it that much

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
That's a lie but it's not like, my favorite show ever

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

DisDisDis posted:

The hosed up thing is

I I took the time to write this effort post at three in the morning and I don't even like it that much

Die

DisDisDis posted:

That's a lie but it's not like, my favorite show ever

Die rescinded

Space Flower
Sep 10, 2014

by Games Forum
pootena. utenah. 2/10-a

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

DisDisDis posted:

The hosed up thing is

I I took the time to write this effort post at three in the morning and I don't even like it that much

I firmly believe that feeling that way means you did good

Nina
Oct 9, 2016

Invisible werewolf (entirely visible, not actually a wolf)
Utena duel song lyrics are the best part about the show.


Nina fucked around with this message at 12:24 on Mar 16, 2017

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
I was seriously obsessed with the duel song lyrics in highschool for a while. All the one's that were like, weird impressions of ancient stuff really got my imagination going.


Srice posted:

I firmly believe that feeling that way means you did good

I actually appreciate it a lot more after analyzing it like that, after not having really thought about it for a long long time. It's a lot smarter than I really noticed watching it the first time.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
Utena songs are all real good.

Sorry Corals
Jan 2, 2010

Nanami

AnoHito
May 8, 2014


Is good, yes.

Nina
Oct 9, 2016

Invisible werewolf (entirely visible, not actually a wolf)

MagusDraco
Nov 11, 2011

even speedwagon was trolled
So Netflix's Devilman may be good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyO6hdw6IzU

Directed by Yuasa aka Tatami Galaxy, PingPong and Space Dandy.

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

AnoHito posted:

Is good, yes.

Or should we say that she's bad?

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

nanami is a cow

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

dogsicle posted:

nanami is a cow

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

dogsicle posted:

nanami is a cow

but also

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

tsuwabuki!

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

i love utena as a weird surreal art-comedy thing and not so much utena as The Deepest Anime Ever Made

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

Endorph posted:

i love utena as a weird surreal art-comedy thing and not so much utena as The Deepest Anime Ever Made

well yeah, it's not Evangelion

Xinder
Apr 27, 2013

i want to be a prince
deconstruction

Red Minjo
Oct 20, 2010

Out of the houses, which is the most blue?

The answer might not be be obvious at first.

Gravy Boat 2k

Xinder posted:

deconstruction

that's the thing that's been happening in the South, right?

Matoi Ryuko
Jan 6, 2004


Xinder posted:

deconstruction

Slows down mexican highway traffic

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

Knorth posted:



:stwoon:





Cat secured, prepare for takeoff! :3:

Cute girls doing cute things torpedoing the Bismarck.

Xinder
Apr 27, 2013

i want to be a prince

Red Minjo posted:

that's the thing that's been happening in the South, right?

*loud sighing*

yes

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

DisDisDis posted:

The hosed up thing is

I I took the time to write this effort post at three in the morning and I don't even like it that much

You can have unique fights and still be theatrical. It's not mutually exclusive.
The problem is that the show is so hamstrung by its obviously low budget when it could've been even better.
Each battle is meant to be insight into their deeper desires and feelings, and it completely undercuts the emotional tension as a visual metaphor for a battle of wills; people meant to be special, composed of a unique sense of destiny- because the entire thing looks cheap.

Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Mar 16, 2017

Sorry Corals
Jan 2, 2010

you smell cheap

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:
fight me, crabcat

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

i don't think repetition to that degree was a result of production constraints

Kylra
Dec 1, 2006

Not a cute boy, just a boring girl.

Yes_Cantaloupe posted:

I had an Utena av well before I had a LL av.
Same, but Ouran.

It was a good av.

E: This is also a good av though.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

dogsicle posted:

i don't think repetition to that degree was a result of production constraints

Hand animation ain't cheap and rotoscoping original content is time consuming.

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

Mister Macys posted:

Hand animation ain't cheap and rotoscoping original content is time consuming.

yeah but it seems just as likely that an artsy auteur like ikuhara did it because he wanted to

Space Flower
Sep 10, 2014

by Games Forum

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

Came across an old writeup on Katanagatari that I really liked. Really helped me parse some of the character motivations at play during the finale and how they tied into the overall meaning of the story.http://wrongeverytime.com/2013/07/15/katanagatari-and-the-weight-of-legacy/

Mill Village
Jul 27, 2007


I should try saying that to someone and see how they react.

Red Minjo
Oct 20, 2010

Out of the houses, which is the most blue?

The answer might not be be obvious at first.

Gravy Boat 2k

:same:

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LEGO Genetics
Oct 8, 2013

She growls as she storms the stadium
A villain mean and rough
And the cops all shake and quiver and quake
as she stabs them with her cuffs
My god the Utena degeneracy has infected everyone.

The downfall of anime has come twenty years late but has arrived.

Seek shelter.


I have yet to encounter an elf who becomes addicted to delicious fried food and needs my help to lose weight.

:smith:

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