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Mar 15, 2017 16:00
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All human endeavor was a complicated delivery system for this perfect thing:
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Mar 16, 2017 03:05
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I would still pay a significant amount of money if someone actually made that.
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Mar 16, 2017 03:07
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Grand Fromage posted:I would still pay a significant amount of money if someone actually made that. I couldn't find that, but someone did make a neat little Spartan one on Etsy. Phoneposting, or I'd share a pic too. https://www.etsy.com/listing/251048...CFUtNfgodSOEEBA
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Mar 16, 2017 03:37
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Grand Fromage posted:I would still pay a significant amount of money if someone actually made that. Agreed. I'd prefer a more classical Caesar though.
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Mar 16, 2017 04:44
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Pontius Pilate posted:Agreed. I'd prefer a more classical Caesar though. Yeah, where's the awkward combover?
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Mar 16, 2017 04:53
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What was the leading cause of downfall for Egyptian dynasties?
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Mar 16, 2017 13:42
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Mostly revolts against the Goa'uld.
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Mar 16, 2017 13:45
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Baron Porkface posted:What was the leading cause of downfall for Egyptian dynasties? People.
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Mar 16, 2017 14:32
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Fo3 posted:People. In a shocking twist, people were also responsible for the downfall of the Roman republic, the Roman Empire, the fake Roman Empire, the Third Roman Empire, and the Holy Roman Empire. In conclusion, it is my opinion that people must be destroyed.
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Mar 16, 2017 14:47
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skasion posted:In conclusion, it is my opinion that people must be destroyed. We've tried genocide before but haven't quite been able to finish the job. Good news is that we're getting better at it. Fo3 fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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Mar 16, 2017 14:52
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Baron Porkface posted:What was the leading cause of downfall for Egyptian dynasties? There were only a handful of assassinations or usurpations of kings in all of ancient Egyptian history, most of the time when there was a new dynasty it was either from an overt lack of heirs, or more commonly because the heir there was considered themself different enough to warrant a new dynasty- say if succession followed a general marrying the king's sister, rather than the successor being his son. Most of the dynasties (in one period- there was a total split between old and middle, middle and new kingdoms) were at least distantly related though. So dynasties rarely "fell", mostly they just changed. Ancient Egyptian history was, with a handful of major exceptions, remarkably stable.
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Mar 16, 2017 15:08
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skasion posted:In a shocking twist, people were also responsible for the downfall of the Roman republic, the Roman Empire, the fake Roman Empire, the Third Roman Empire, and the Holy Roman Empire. In conclusion, it is my opinion that people must be destroyed. Skynet did nothing wrong
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Mar 16, 2017 16:13
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Something I realized I don't know and this question might just be kind of ignorant but: how do we know what we know about ancient Egypt? Is it mostly archaeology? Do we have written sources? In what language - translated hieroglyphics? Are there ancient historical texts Egypt, or lists of pharos, stuff like that? As has been often pointed out, Egypt was incredibly old by the classical period we think of as "ancient", so I'm wondering how we're actually able to say anything about the Old Kingdom or whatever.
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Mar 16, 2017 18:21
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Omnomnomnivore posted:Something I realized I don't know and this question might just be kind of ignorant but: how do we know what we know about ancient Egypt? Is it mostly archaeology? Do we have written sources? In what language - translated hieroglyphics? Are there ancient historical texts Egypt, or lists of pharos, stuff like that? As has been often pointed out, Egypt was incredibly old by the classical period we think of as "ancient", so I'm wondering how we're actually able to say anything about the Old Kingdom or whatever. All of those. There are some written records, both native Egyptian and from surrounding cultures, there's translated hieroglyphics for sacred writing and demotic for everyday stuff. There's also archeology which provides context and dating for artifacts and sometimes new written sources. For example, we have the Story of Sinuhe as a piece of literature dating from ca. 2000 BC. The Egyptians wrote all over any flat surface so there's lots of records on temple walls and stuff.
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Mar 16, 2017 18:28
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These days yeah, we know a lot about Ancient Egypt from the hieroglyphics and other writings that were left behind, thanks to rediscovering the language and ongoing translation efforts. Before that though, we had gotten most of our info from foreign sources which we assume must have been translated from the original Egyptian writings when the ancient scripts were still being actively used. And that method had all the corruptions and exaggerations you'd expect from stuff that was transmitted through multiple languages over thousands of years. There's a decent amount of Egyptian history that isn't yet covered in clearly authentic text that's been translated yet though, so we continue to have to try to rely on archaeological evidence and reference to the existing flawed histories from Greece, Rome, etc to try to understand it.
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Mar 16, 2017 18:27
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Jerusalem posted:All human endeavor was a complicated delivery system for this perfect thing: Why isn't this a real thing?
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Mar 16, 2017 21:09
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skasion posted:In conclusion, it is my opinion that people must be destroyed. Fo3 posted:Agreed. Oh great the Assyrians are hijacking accounts again 
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Mar 16, 2017 21:16
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Omnomnomnivore posted:Something I realized I don't know and this question might just be kind of ignorant but: how do we know what we know about ancient Egypt? Is it mostly archaeology? Do we have written sources? In what language - translated hieroglyphics? Are there ancient historical texts Egypt, or lists of pharos, stuff like that? As has been often pointed out, Egypt was incredibly old by the classical period we think of as "ancient", so I'm wondering how we're actually able to say anything about the Old Kingdom or whatever. All you need is Herodotus.
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Mar 16, 2017 21:20
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King of False Promises posted:All you need is Herodotus. The men go to the market while the women work, now that's wacky! edit: or women work and go to market while the men stay at home and weave, still very zany and exotic. Grevling fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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Mar 16, 2017 22:56
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The statue has been lifted from the water and identified: quote:Khaled el-Anani told a news conference the statue was almost certainly Psamtek I, who ruled between 664 and 610BC. 
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Mar 17, 2017 00:16
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Wasn't the classification of the dynasties done by the Ptolemies? So some transitions are pretty eay to spot... Nubian dynasty replaced by Assyrian collaborator dynasty replaced by Persian-supported dynasty, while others are less well known how they decided one dynasty ended and another began.
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Mar 17, 2017 00:52
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King of False Promises posted:All you need is Herodotus. Herodotus is like those 40's pulp sci-fi novels. ANT PEOPLE OF THE MYSTERIOUS EAST!
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Mar 17, 2017 05:14
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Grand Fromage posted:Mostly revolts against the Goa'uld. Best post in this thread award.
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Mar 17, 2017 06:57
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skasion posted:In a shocking twist, people were also responsible for the downfall of the Roman republic, the Roman Empire, the fake Roman Empire, the Third Roman Empire, and the Holy Roman Empire. In conclusion, it is my opinion that people must be destroyed. Honestly I think you can make a good argument that it's not always people, sometimes it's tiny microbes.
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Mar 17, 2017 10:24
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Honestly I think you can make a good argument that it's not always people, sometimes it's tiny microbes.
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Mar 17, 2017 10:37
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poo poo, it's only 2700 years old, what a rip off 
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Mar 17, 2017 10:44
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Herodotus is like those 40's pulp sci-fi novels. He was right about gold-carrying ants though iirc.
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Mar 17, 2017 14:22
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Grevling posted:He was right about gold-carrying ants though iirc. Confirmed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft8UuzIS-ec They even honor the gods.
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Mar 17, 2017 15:37
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Here's the thing about Herodotus that went unappreciated for a long time: Dude never made anything up. Sometimes his sources did, and so nonsense makes it into his writing, but a lot of times that kind of thing is prefaced with "well this one dude who said he'd been to China told me that..." so he's clearly not entirely sold himself.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:18
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I'll admit I was a little hard on Herodotus.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:32
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If an ancient author talked about ANT PEOPLE OF THE MYSTERIOUS EAST with a straight face, we'd eat it up.
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Mar 18, 2017 00:12
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I'll admit I was a little hard on Herodotus.
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Mar 18, 2017 00:22
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Jazerus posted:Here's the thing about Herodotus that went unappreciated for a long time: It's silly that Herodotus gets the "father of lies" designation while Thucydides, who openly invents speeches he never could have witnessed in order to illustrate moral lessons about how he thinks cities should act, has the reputation of being more truthful.
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Mar 18, 2017 00:27
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HEY GAIL posted:hard? i thought that was an endorsement It was both.
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Mar 18, 2017 00:45
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fantastic in plastic posted:It's silly that Herodotus gets the "father of lies" designation while Thucydides, who openly invents speeches he never could have witnessed in order to illustrate moral lessons about how he thinks cities should act, has the reputation of being more truthful. 
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Mar 18, 2017 13:46
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Rather be called a liar than go through the poo poo Sima Qian had to, tbh.
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Mar 18, 2017 14:59
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Mantis42 posted:Rather be called a liar than go through the poo poo Sima Qian had to, tbh. That was less because of his History than because he publicly defended a general who had defected tp the Xiongnu, though.
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Mar 18, 2017 17:19
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Mantis42 posted:Rather be called a liar than go through the poo poo Sima Qian had to, tbh. On the one hand, he gets to be known as "The Grand Historian" for all time. On the other hand, he's best remembered for getting castrated.
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