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Reverand maynard posted:with the exception that the crazy left wants everyone to have puppies while the crazy right wants to murder puppies The problem with this country is not that the left is idealistic and the right is nefarious, it's that both sides are partisan and refuse to work with each other to come to a sensible conclusion that eliminates the idealism of both fringes. Yeah, though, continue to scream "not as bad!" as we circle the drain.
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VikingSkull posted:The problem with this country is not that the left is idealistic and the right is nefarious, it's that both sides are partisan and refuse to work with each other to come to a sensible conclusion that eliminates the idealism of both fringes. The crazy left has like literally 0 power in this country. Outside of Sanders and, maybe Warren not many politicians are pushing policies that could be considered even vaguely left wing. The right, on the other hand... What I'm saying is. It's not both sides it was never both sides. It's one side going rear end first into the deep end due a failure to recognize and adapt to a changing world.
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VikingSkull posted:The problem with this country is not that the left is idealistic and the right is nefarious, it's that both sides are partisan and refuse to work with each other to come to a sensible conclusion that eliminates the idealism of both fringes. This reeks of the right's claim that Obama was divisive and caused all the partisanship when the rift was caused entirely by republicans. They pledged to create a rift and then stood at the other side blaming the black guy for the division. One party is refusing to work with the other to propose anything sensible. They can't even propose anything their own party feels is passable.
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psydude posted:He's basically raping and pillaging everything that isn't DHS or DoD.
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facialimpediment posted:He belongs to a Hungarian group that was apparently under the command of German Nazis. That could be a problem for Gorka, as if he is a member of this group, he shouldn't have been allowed to become a citizen in 2012, meaning he possibly fraudulently became a citizen. You see, with extreme vetting we wouldn't have this problem right now so clearly we need more extreme vetting.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:The crazy left has like literally 0 power in this country. Outside of Sanders and, maybe Warren not many politicians are pushing policies that could be considered even vaguely left wing. And the other just expecting everyone to flock to its with no effort to draw them over. The Democrats' problems are EVERY BIT as important as the GOP's (because they gave us President Donald P. Trump), but are less glaringly obvious.
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VikingSkull posted:The problem with this country is not that the left is idealistic and the right is nefarious, it's that both sides are partisan and refuse to work with each other to come to a sensible conclusion that eliminates the idealism of both fringes. Huh well everything about this statement is completely wrong and you should feel bad
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VikingSkull posted:The problem with this country is not that the left is idealistic and the right is nefarious, it's that both sides are partisan and refuse to work with each other to come to a sensible conclusion that eliminates the idealism of both fringes. gently caress you, you're the one comparing Maddow to people that promote ignorance. You're comparing embellishment to outright loving lies. Unless there is some fringe poo poo on the left making up facts wholesale there is no loving comparison between left and right wing news sources and talk show hosts.
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^That's true, but Maddow probably hurt the mainstream media at the worst time imaginable with her bullshit this week.Smiling Jack posted:Huh well everything about this statement is completely wrong and you should feel bad Reminder that your nominee openly mocked blue collar workers and railed against gun owners, while your committee chair literally expected 2 people to switch left for ever blue collar worker that switched right. How'd that work out? Any of it? Edit: V THAT.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:The crazy left has like literally 0 power in this country. Outside of Sanders and, maybe Warren not many politicians are pushing policies that could be considered even vaguely left wing. Well, when I look at how right-wing populism is affecting the entirety of Western civilization at the moment I tend to think that it's the left that needs to adjust and offer actual solutions to stuff. Right now, the right is being openly evil and the only effective counter anyone on the left seems to have is pointing at them and saying they are evil. It was only a decade ago when the Republicans were in this position, and they didn't turn it around by doing what the Democrats are doing right now. They, and their voters, recognized and adapted to a changing world. I wish the Democrats could be more effective but it seems they've doubled down on neoliberalism.
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They haven't doubled down on anything. There is literally nothing that any democratic member of congress can do right now.
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There aren't any new democratic proposals for anything because they aren't in control of anything.
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You're right, but at this point it's not about that. It's about gathering support at the grassroots level. Instead we've got DNC leadership refusing to rule out ANOTHER Clinton run. They didn't learn a goddamned thing from this election and it's going to keep biting us in the rear end until they do. The Democrats appear to have decided to just wait it out. If things get bad enough, those swing voters will come back. That's not a goddamned strategy, and it's why they're going to keep losing until they start getting active and finding their own charismatic leaders that aren't absurdly un-electable like Bernie.
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Just a friendly reminder that we're now close to two months into the Trump presidency, and he has still not fully committed to all of his cabinet nominations, nor even nominated hundreds of mid-level positions. 
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VikingSkull posted:It was only a decade ago when the Republicans were in this position, and they didn't turn it around by doing what the Democrats are doing right now. They, and their voters, recognized and adapted to a changing world. Yes, and they successfully turned things around in '08...wait. They didn't get a majority in the house for another four years, the majority in the senate for another 8 and the presidency for ten. The republicans didn't have some fail proof plan that they initiated ten years ago that got them to this point. They mostly bumblefucked their way into their current position. with some help from gerrymandering, being the party not in the white house for eight years (which traditionally leads to the opposing party making massive gains in congress), and the lackluster presidential campaign from the DNC last year.
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Godholio posted:You're right, but at this point it's not about that. It's about gathering support at the grassroots level. Instead we've got DNC leadership refusing to rule out ANOTHER Clinton run. They didn't learn a goddamned thing from this election and it's going to keep biting us in the rear end until they do. Bernie was a more inspiring candidate than Hilary by a long shot.
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Godholio posted:You're right, but at this point it's not about that. It's about gathering support at the grassroots level. Instead we've got DNC leadership refusing to rule out ANOTHER Clinton run. They didn't learn a goddamned thing from this election and it's going to keep biting us in the rear end until they do. The DNC cannot control whether a candidate runs or not.
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VikingSkull posted:Well, when I look at how right-wing populism is affecting the entirety of Western civilization at the moment I tend to think that it's the left that needs to adjust and offer actual solutions to stuff. Right now, the right is being openly evil and the only effective counter anyone on the left seems to have is pointing at them and saying they are evil. The first thing Americans will need to realize is that the Democratic Party is not left wing, and hasn't been for nearly 30 years. They've been "Republican-Lite" since at least the 1990s. You know, that party the middle-class suburbanites could vote for while also feeling good about "grudgingly" supporting minorities. Up until the last few years has anything in their platform been truly left-wing. If you want to see what a left wing party is actually like, take a look at what other countries have. This is what I mean when I say the left has no real power. Because they don't. They have a small presence in the Democratic party, and 0 everywhere else. Of course, the Democratic party SHOULD turn left because leftist ideals like Universal Healthcare, Minimum Wage, Environment Protection, ect are popular. Its just Democrats never run on those issues because at their core most Democrats are Republican-lite. I thought the party would learn their lesson after losing to Donald loving Trump but maybe when they are completely wiped out in 2018 will things change. Maybe. Hopefully at the state level first.
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Handsome Ralph posted:Yes, and they successfully turned things around in '08...wait. I can agree to this but there's a bigger picture here that's more than just the US. Like I said earlier, there is a disturbing slide to the right across the entire Western world that's being ignored almost wholesale by leftists everywhere. Something is going on at a deeper level and right now Democrats and other leftists need to stop telling people what they already know and do something about it. Pretending that this is business as usual and "we'll get 'em in 8 years!" is going to lead us straight into direct authoritarianism. There needs to be some compromise because as people become ever more divided those swing voters everyone loves are going to become less and less viable. Obviously the right offers something to Western people everywhere and it's at a deeper level than just racism.
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Reverand maynard posted:is he even white tho? Well he probaly has at least one hush-hush slavic grandfather in his not so distance past so no not really.
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Godholio posted:You're right, but at this point it's not about that. It's about gathering support at the grassroots level. Instead we've got DNC leadership refusing to rule out ANOTHER Clinton run. They didn't learn a goddamned thing from this election and it's going to keep biting us in the rear end until they do. At least where I live, this is not right. I'm a precinct chair for my area and have been to multiple executive meetings and precinct meetings. There is massive discussion at grassroots levels how we're going to get more people involved with voting and a bevy of issues that people are presenting to their representatives. If you don't like what's happening, go get involved with your local party.
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VikingSkull posted:Well, when I look at how right-wing populism is affecting the entirety of Western civilization at the moment I tend to think that it's the left that needs to adjust and offer actual solutions to stuff. Right now, the right is being openly evil and the only effective counter anyone on the left seems to have is pointing at them and saying they are evil. It is the responsibility of voters to elect candidates who are qualified for the office they seek and who have the interests of the country in mind. This is true. It is also 100% irrelevant to actually winning elections, because most people, at a very basic level, aren't rational actors.
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I know there's a moratorium on gun chat and punching hitlerites, but can there be also a moratorium on Bernie vs Hillary chat? At this point it's played out to "Bernie was more Charismatic/Bernie was Unelectable/Hillary is a black hole of charisma that hosed the DNC and all DNC Nobles should be hung" and nobody is changing their mind or having a new thought about it. edit edit: Someone already talked about McDonalds slamming trump. Pretty funny Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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RFC2324 posted:Bernie was a more inspiring candidate than Hilary by a long shot. He probably would have won https://twitter.com/antissa/status/842174406675824640
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brand engager posted:He probably would have won Probably not. He called himself a socialist, which is a dirty word in the US due to association with the evil Russian Commies. If he hadn't self identified as a socialist, he would have stood a real chance. I think that messaging is killing the left more than anything else.
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KildarX posted:I know there's a moratorium on gun chat and punching hitlerites, but can there be also a moratorium on Bernie vs Hillary chat? At this point it's played out to "Bernie was more Charismatic/Bernie was Unelectable/Hillary is a black hole of charisma that hosed the DNC and all DNC Nobles should be hung" and nobody is changing their mind or having a new thought about it. I agree, but want to add this: do not just bitch online. Get involved. Spend some time actually trying to change something instead of just bitching about change. If you want the democratic platform to say something different, you need to go get involved with it and start saying it. You're comfortably shitposting on the internet about being disenfranchised when you are the perfect person to actually get up and do something about it. We are almost all privileged here with sainthood because we're veterans. People will at least listen to what you have to say based on that credential alone. Actually get involved with your local party and start talking to people, volunteering, and working towards a better goal. Nothing will change or improve unless you get out there and make it happen. In the end, we might fail. I might be wasting my time and effort, but god damnit I'm going to put in the effort and try. Our country has been loving hijacked by people who literally want to dismantle it and a russian puppet sits at the top ready to set up an eternal state-sponsored oligarchy for his family and friends. I'm sorry to get all dumb and preachy about this, but get off your rear end and go do something about it. Write an op-ed for your newspaper at least. Anything at all to push for a better loving tomorrow, because if we don't we cannot expect anything but more of the same. Seriously, though, its time to nut up or shut up about stupid political fighting. There is actual poo poo that needs to be done and you have the power to help do it.
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Not really current events, but this bit in an AP story made me laugh. 89-year-old man found in suitcase identified as WWII veteran posted:LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — Police say an 89-year-old man whose body was discovered in a suitcase on a rural Arkansas farm was a World War II veteran from New York. 
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The Democratic Party would be better off if no one named Clinton or Obama ever appeared to represent them again. Shitheels like Pelosi definitely got to go too but the Clintons and Obama are walking, talking personifications of the party not only failing it's base, but actively making GBS threads on it.
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VikingSkull posted:I can agree to this but there's a bigger picture here that's more than just the US. Like I said earlier, there is a disturbing slide to the right across the entire Western world that's being ignored almost wholesale by leftists everywhere. Something is going on at a deeper level and right now Democrats and other leftists need to stop telling people what they already know and do something about it. 9/11 made everyone lose their minds.
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TBeats posted:9/11 made everyone lose their minds. It's way deeper than that as it's affecting nations who were ostensibly against the American response to 9/11. I think it's more a rejection of rampant globalization than anything else.
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RFC2324 posted:Bernie was a more inspiring candidate than Hilary by a long shot. If I didn't look beyond the surface of his proposals, yeah, he was pretty inspiring.
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RFC2324 posted:Probably not. He called himself a socialist, which is a dirty word in the US due to association with the evil Russian Commies. If he hadn't self identified as a socialist, he would have stood a real chance. I pretty publicly call myself a socialist and no one under, like, 35 seems to bat an eye. I'm not saying you're entirely wrong, but that instinctive wincing at the word "socialism" is changing very quickly.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I agree, but want to add this: do not just bitch online. Get involved. Spend some time actually trying to change something instead of just bitching about change. If you want the democratic platform to say something different, you need to go get involved with it and start saying it. This is a good post, and change needs to happen at the local level first and it can then work its way to the top. Look up what the local Democratic party in your area is doing, I'm talking really local like State and County level. I know mine does monthly happy hours. It's not much, but it is a start. Failing that, getting involved with practical groups like Sierra Club or the DSA can help push politicians left or help promote your pet cause/issue. Avoid groups like the Green Party, they are a waste of time, energy, and money. There was a thread in D&D that was about getting involved and had really good resources. Of course, being D&D it delved into ideological purity battles between avid communists, but the first few pages are a really good resource last I checked.
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Stop calling the democrats "leftists" when they're barely left of the center. This is also why calling for compromise between Ds and Rs is dumb, since the result is just going to be right-wing garbage.
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VikingSkull posted:It's way deeper than that as it's affecting nations who were ostensibly against the American response to 9/11. I think it's more a rejection of rampant globalization than anything else. Would you possibly describe it as a crisis...of capitalism?
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IMO the American shift to the right is a direct symptom of our weird tendency to entrench ourselves in a FYGM & "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" mindset as soon as upper-middle classhood is attained. Proclaiming liberal ideals is about being polite.
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brand engager posted:Stop calling the democrats "leftists" when they're barely left of the center. This is also why calling for compromise between Ds and Rs is dumb, since the result is just going to be right-wing garbage. Maybe, and this is crazy, that's because a majority of people in the US are center or right leaning? I mean, it can't be that, can it? bird food bathtub posted:Would you possibly describe it as a crisis...of capitalism? The current form of capitalism at all costs, absolutely.
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