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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed.
Jeremy Corbyn	95	18.63%
Dennis Skinner	53	10.39%
Angus Robertson	20	3.92%
Tim Farron	9	1.76%
Paul Ukips	7	1.37%
Robot Lenin	105	20.59%
Tony Blair	28	5.49%
Pissflaps	193	37.84%
Total:	510 votes

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Kokoro Wish: Jul 23, 2007; Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.

Pissflaps posted:

You're deluding yourself.

Not as much as you are about how politically dead your right wing version of centrism is.

Spangly A posted:

http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/Mainstream-Media-Representations-of-Jeremy-Corbyn.aspx

facts aren't delusions

On this day in 1968, a platoon of American soldiers brutally kill between 200 and 500 unarmed civilians at My Lai, one of a cluster of small villages located near the northern coast of South Vietnam.

Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Mar 16, 2017

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Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Don't Lol me posted:

So let's see - I'm a voter, I'd vote for Labour but I don't like Jam man, so I'll go straight from middle left to hard right?
Why wouldn't I just vote for the next best option, the Lib dems? That'd make sense right? They're New Labour virtually, right?

Well, since I don't see the libdem fightback in full effect in the polls, I'm guessing that's a load of bollocks.

Labour are leaking voters to the tories and lib dems in large numbers, it's not really a contentious point.

Pissflaps posted:

Corbyn gets loads of coverage. You're deluding yourself.

http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/Mainstream-Media-Representations-of-Jeremy-Corbyn.aspx

facts aren't delusions

# ? Mar 16, 2017 16:46

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Kokoro Wish posted:

Not as much as you are about how politically dead your right wing version of centrism is.

A 'no you' and a 'you're a Tory' in one sentence. Lovely stuff.

Though didn't the Dutch just vote for a centre right coalition last night ?

# ? Mar 16, 2017 16:47

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Pissflaps posted:

My choice is between labour or nobody. My local mp is a good lad and anti Corbyn so I'll probably vote for him.

You've changed your tune. You were going to not for anyone at the last counting, despite the anti Corbyn nature of your MP.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 16:50

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Kokoro Wish posted:

Corbyn could be whip-smart media savvy Jesus and would get exactly the same coverage as now because the people that run the media will never allow a proper left wing view see the light of day. If the answer to getting more press is "Don't be left-wing then" you can go jump.

Corbyn and Foot are/were extremely soft targets for a hostile media to go after or even worse just exclude as being dull. They aren't witty, they don't dress well for public appearances almost as matter of principle, and they are much better dealing with abstract, externalised opposition than people being in their face. See also Scargill who was just... weird... and a bit suspicious of the press.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 16:51

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

forkboy84 posted:

You've changed your tune. You were going to not for anyone at the last counting, despite the anti Corbyn nature of your MP.

Yes I have. I probably won't decide for sure until I'm in the voting booth.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 16:52

Kokoro Wish: Jul 23, 2007; Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.

Pissflaps posted:

A 'no you' and a 'you're a Tory' in one sentence. Lovely stuff.

It's "Blue Labour" now, you center-right dolt.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 16:56

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Corbyn blew labour

# ? Mar 16, 2017 16:57

haakman: May 5, 2011

So DD revealed up to 40% tariffs on dairy & meat. This is loving massive. It will decimate the pig industry in this country.

But Corby bad and truth in the middle.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 16:59

Dead Goon: Dec 13, 2002; No Obvious Flaws

Pissflaps posted:

A 'no you' and a 'you're a Tory' in one sentence. Lovely stuff.

Though didn't the Dutch just vote for a centre right coalition last night ?

Are The Netherlands in The United Kingdom?

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:00

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

haakman posted:

So DD revealed up to 40% tariffs on dairy & meat. This is loving massive. It will decimate the pig industry in this country.

But Corby bad and truth in the middle.

Is thinking Brexit and Corbyn are both bad somehow contradictory?

Dead Goon posted:

Are The Netherlands in The United Kingdom?

I fact checked this and it appears that The Netherlands are not in the UK.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:01

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

haakman posted:

So DD revealed up to 40% tariffs on dairy & meat. This is loving massive. It will decimate the pig industry in this country.

Hmmm, David Cameron hosed the dead pig industry.

Will this man's lust ever be sated?

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:01

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

haakman posted:

So DD revealed up to 40% tariffs on dairy & meat. This is loving massive. It will decimate the pig industry in this country.

But Corby bad and truth in the middle.

But what about opening up new pork markets?

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:02

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

haakman posted:

So DD revealed up to 40% tariffs on dairy & meat. This is loving massive. It will decimate the pig industry in this country.

Yes. But it is also somewhat unlikely that the UK will leave on WTO terms, it would suggest huge amounts of childishness by HMG and also the EU. Is that possible? Yes. Is it likely? Depends if both sides come to their senses over the next two years.

quote:

But Corby bad and truth in the middle.

Funnily enough Corbyn is bad and the truth is that David Davis is bad, too.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:04

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

jBrereton posted:

Yes. But it is also somewhat unlikely that the UK will leave on WTO terms, it would suggest huge amounts of childishness by HMG and also the EU. Is that possible? Yes. Is it likely? Depends if both sides come to their senses over the next two years.

Er we do trade with countries outside of the EU, a large and devastating change in terms of trade with them is unavoidable unless a transition arrangement with the EU is agreed and chances are the Tories will blow any chance of that over something trivial.

Edit: Ahaha, wait. I wonder what the potential for the UK ending up with WTO rules for the world except the EU and we end up with an insane scheme of having to sell EVERYTHING to an EU nation first which then re-exports them to the actual buyer?

namesake fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Mar 16, 2017

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:13

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Pissflaps posted:

I fact checked this and it appears that The Netherlands are not in the UK.

They used to be, but not the one you're thinking of.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:15

haakman: May 5, 2011

forkboy84 posted:

But what about opening up new pork markets?

33% of our pork exports go non EU and it's the poo poo bits.

99.1% of our pork imports come from the EU because of import tariffs from the row.

We are a net importer of pork. We are about 55% self sufficient.

Expect to see big price rises and the introduction of other cuts of pork (offal & sow meat).

Clearly with my knowledge of pigs I should be part of blue Labour.

Edit - this speaks nothing for all the bad poo poo going into porters after the EU. Sow cages, antibiotics & growth hormones for everyone yay!

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:15

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

namesake posted:

Er we do trade with countries outside of the EU, a large and devastating change in terms of trade with them is unavoidable unless a transition arrangement with the EU is agreed and chances are the Tories will blow any chance of that over something trivial.

We shall see. David Davis is getting hammered by the press and Tess wisely decided to have at least two ablative Brexit-related ministers plus an international trade minister, all of whom have been in some way discredited in the past. He could go at any time and be replaced by someone more (or less!) competent.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:15

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

Pissflaps posted:

A 'no you' and a 'you're a Tory' in one sentence. Lovely stuff.

Though didn't the Dutch just vote for a centre right coalition last night ?

No? If they somehow actually manage to broker a coalition deal, it'll be like 5-6 parties

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:17

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

mfcrocker posted:

No? If they somehow actually manage to broker a coalition deal, it'll be like 5-6 parties

I've been let down by my Dutch politics fact checkers.

What is the political leaning of the coalition likely to be?

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:20

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

Pissflaps posted:

I've been let down by my Dutch politics fact checkers.

What is the political leaning of the coalition likely to be?

gently caress knows, depends if they can get the Greens on board. Personally I don't reckon they'll be able to get one together, but if it does it'd be pretty centrist: VVD are centre-right, CD/D66 centrist, they could add CU (centrist) but that only gives them a majority of 1. More likely they'll have to court Labour (centre-left) or Greens/Socialists (both left) for a majority of 5 or 10.

It'll probably just get rerun.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:30

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

The most likely coalitions are probably VVD-CDA-D66-GL or VVD-CDA-D66-PvDA. The problem comes with the Senate, otherwise VVD-D66-GL-PvDA would be more likely.

TinTower fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Mar 16, 2017

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:32

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

mfcrocker posted:

gently caress knows, depends if they can get the Greens on board. Personally I don't reckon they'll be able to get one together, but if it does it'd be pretty centrist: VVD are centre-right, CD/D66 centrist, they could add CU (centrist) but that only gives them a majority of 1. More likely they'll have to court Labour (centre-left) or Greens/Socialists (both left) for a majority of 5 or 10.

It'll probably just get rerun.

So what you're saying is it's likely to be a pretty centrist coalition?

TinTower posted:

The most likely coalitions is probably PVV-CDA-D66-GL or PVV-CDA-D66-PvDA.

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# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:32

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

TinTower posted:

The most likely coalitions is probably PVV-CDA-D66-GL or PVV-CDA-D66-PvDA.

Those sound like product codes for obscure machine tool parts.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:33

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

mfcrocker posted:

gently caress knows, depends if they can get the Greens on board. Personally I don't reckon they'll be able to get one together, but if it does it'd be pretty centrist: VVD are centre-right, CD/D66 centrist, they could add CU (centrist) but that only gives them a majority of 1. More likely they'll have to court Labour (centre-left) or Greens/Socialists (both left) for a majority of 5 or 10.

The most likely outcome by far is VVD-CDA-D66 + filler, which means a centre-right government. VVD is on the right, CDA are christian democrats (so also on the right), and D66 are centrists. That trio gets 71 of the 76 seats needed for a majority, so whoever makes up the filler isn't going to have a whole lot of say over the government's direction.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:33

Jakabite: Jul 31, 2010

JFairfax posted:

could be your posture, you might have an anterior pelvic tilt which is common amongst people who sit all day and this could be stretching out your hammies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-CrEi0ymMg

Holy poo poo, I think I have this. I've been trying to work out what's up with my back for about a year and I think it's this. Cheers man!

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:36

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Why did mfcrocker attempt to fake news me?

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:36

MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

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more like BOLLOCKnese

TinTower posted:

The most likely coalitions are probably PVV-CDA-D66-GL or PVV-CDA-D66-PvDA. The problem comes with the Senate, otherwise PVV-D66-GL-PvDA would be more likely.

I'm assuming you meant VVD not PVV unless you are suggesting Geert Wilders is going to unite the Dutch right and left using the power of his hair

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:38

Dead Goon: Dec 13, 2002; No Obvious Flaws

Pissflaps posted:

Why did mfcrocker attempt to fake news me?

For the lolz maybe?

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:38

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

Centrist ain't centre-right Flaps. I give the Lib Dems tons of poo poo but they're not the Tories (they just do a good impression sometimes)

LemonDrizzle posted:

The most likely outcome by far is VVD-CDA-D66 + filler, which means a centre-right government. VVD is on the right, CDA are christian democrats (so also on the right), and D66 are centrists. That trio gets 71 of the 76 seats needed for a majority, so whoever makes up the filler isn't going to have a whole lot of say over the government's direction.

Don't really agree with that. Whoever makes up the filler can just pull support and bring down the government whenever.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:38

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

MikeCrotch posted:

I'm assuming you meant VVD not PVV unless you are suggesting Geert Wilders is going to unite the Dutch right and left using the power of his hair

Christ, good catch. It's not my fault that both party names roughly translate to "People's Freedom Party".

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:40

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Dead Goon posted:

For the lolz maybe?

I think you might be right, sadly.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 17:41

kingturnip: Apr 18, 2008

Guavanaut posted:

Those sound like product codes for obscure machine tool parts.

I was going to say 'gene sequences', but yeah.

For content (lol, in this thread):
Rich gently caress buys small house for obscene price. Sadly, the BBC article omits the best part of the piece in the Evening Standard, where the future bloodstain on the wall looks forward to the appreciation in value of the property outstripping that of his pension plan.

Burn it to the ground. And him.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 18:49

Pochoclo: Feb 4, 2008; No...; Clapping Larry

For �700k I could just buy a nice flat/house in a nice city that is not London with less than a third, and with the rest I would just live the rest of my life with no pressure, just work part-time if I feel like it or something.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 18:57

TomViolence: Feb 19, 2013; PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

I heard of a dude who works at the ferry terminal in Gourock that won �43 million in the lottery and still turns up to work every day and lives in the same lovely house he always did. I've never met this man, I don't even know his name, but by god I hate him, I hate the very idea of him.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 19:27

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Kokoro Wish posted:

On this day in 1968, a platoon of American soldiers brutally kill between 200 and 500 unarmed civilians at My Lai, one of a cluster of small villages located near the northern coast of South Vietnam.

Never forget that Hugh Thompson was threatened with a court-martial for daring to try and stop the massacre and received death threats until the day he died.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 19:37

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

TomViolence posted:

I heard of a dude who works at the ferry terminal in Gourock that won �43 million in the lottery and still turns up to work every day and lives in the same lovely house he always did. I've never met this man, I don't even know his name, but by god I hate him, I hate the very idea of him.

What the gently caress? Why would you hate someone for being happy with his life?

# ? Mar 16, 2017 19:39

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Maybe he doesn't want to stop being a member of the proletariat and is using the money to assemble a revolutionary vanguard while not being a class traitor.

# ? Mar 16, 2017 19:44

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

LemonDrizzle posted:

The most likely outcome by far is VVD-CDA-D66 + filler, which means a centre-right government. VVD is on the right, CDA are christian democrats (so also on the right), and D66 are centrists. That trio gets 71 of the 76 seats needed for a majority, so whoever makes up the filler isn't going to have a whole lot of say over the government's direction.

D66 are quite socially liberal, and often the small parties in a coalition wield more influence than their size might imply.

Lib Dems were the exception due to being unbelievably poo poo coalition partners.

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Dead Goon: Dec 13, 2002; No Obvious Flaws

Are the Dutch trying to construct an unbreakable password for their interwebz browsing?

# ? Mar 16, 2017 19:54

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