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Much like 'mary sue' it's impossible to use correctly any more.
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Sakurazuka posted:Much like 'mary sue' it's impossible to use correctly any more. What is the correct usage of edge lord, if not to describe someone being incredibly edgy
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Mar 16, 2017 21:30
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lmao at someone trying to gatekeep the term "edgelord", c'mon son
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Mar 16, 2017 23:10
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It sounds edgy as hell and so it's easy to assume the makers are edgelords, there, I solved the definition confusion. Either way gonna pass on Outlast 2 for sure now. I mean it sounds like something out of the dumb and vast majority bad comic series Crossed, except in that there'd likely already be a lot more gore involved.
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Mar 16, 2017 23:53
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I liked Outlast 1 but I played the demo for Ojtlast 2 and was really unimpressed.
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Mar 16, 2017 23:58
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Edgelord is probably appropriate, but Im confused anyone would think True Detective was anything other than some variety of noir.
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Mar 17, 2017 00:11
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I can't think even of anything that crazy in season 1. Maybe the bit with the guy forced to watch the VCR on the boat? All the Hastur stuff? 
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Bogart posted:I can't think even of anything that crazy in season 1. Maybe the bit with the guy forced to watch the VCR on the boat? All the Hastur stuff? Yeah, True Detective was pretty restrained and was good at implying really horrible poo poo without going overboard
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Mar 17, 2017 00:31
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Dreadwroth posted:Edgelord is probably appropriate, but Im confused anyone would think True Detective was anything other than some variety of noir. Before or after the fact? Episode 1's mention of the Yellow King had my Lovecraft loving friend doing backflips and it wouldn't be out of place in a Chaosium RPG adventure which is 99% noir until you meet the monster and probably die immediately. Thankfully they didn't go that route and the weirdest thing is the vortex hallucination in the end. Surprisingly my Lovecraft loving friend was also thankful it didn't go that route because the thing horror writers often gently caress up is that humans are the most horrific monsters and what you don't see is scarier than what you do see.
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Mar 17, 2017 00:41
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Its shock horror, or gore horror, I mean if you wanna call it edge lord by all means but the usage is wrong, the term edgelord is usually reserved for a specific character that just screams edge who write dark poetry on black paper with black ink while linkin park blasts in the background. The situation is meant to shock or gross you out, but its not really edgy.
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Alteisen posted:Its shock horror, or gore horror, I mean if you wanna call it edge lord by all means but the usage is wrong, the term edgelord is usually reserved for a specific character that just screams edge who write dark poetry on black paper with black ink while linkin park blasts in the background. It is incredibly edgy
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Mar 17, 2017 01:16
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People talking about edginess almost three decades after things stopped being shocking and at least a decade after torture porn hit mainstream cinema is really weird
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Mar 17, 2017 01:35
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Irony.or.Death posted:People talking about edginess almost three decades after things stopped being shocking and at least a decade after torture porn hit mainstream cinema is really weird That's why things are 'edgy' now, it's just wannabe shock poo poo that comes off stupid and bad instead.
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Mar 17, 2017 02:15
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Guys, lasagna cat toilet baby is actually edgy. This outcast poo poo is sperg tryhand that ends up being like Troll 2. ...Then they are going to eat me! Oh my gooooooooood!!!
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i have seen people describing a tumblr comic featuring a diverse and lgbt cast as "tumblr edgelord sjw posting" so the word has completely lost its meaning also to whoever was asking about mobile games like sara is missing, i'm looking for them too! I played "just a normal lost phone" but it's more an adventure of a kid growing up than horror. the lifeline games are alright but i don't really enjoy the voice of the characters (i've played the original one on mars and whiteout) but they're p fun
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Mar 17, 2017 03:24
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HINT: when people use SJW as a pejorative, they're not worth listening to. On an unrelated subject, the Lifeline games annoy the poo poo out of me because the authorial thrust behind them seems to be 'we can ignore good characterization if we just include lots of pop culture references.' There's not much horror to it when it's just all relayed to you through this dipshit who doesn't give you a reason to care about them.
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Mar 17, 2017 03:44
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It might be a "Death of the author" situation, like with the first game. Until they state their intentions behind the scene we'll read into what we want. If there's a reason behind it and it plays into the story well, then that's one thing... But I kinda recall them saying the "shocking" stuff in outlast 1 was specifically made just to be as shocking as possible. But then people can say that THAT is expressionism unto itself.
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Mar 17, 2017 12:35
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They put adult diapers on kickstarter because the game was going to be so scary
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Mar 17, 2017 13:41
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Hahahahahahah. They should team up with Quicksilver and have a model resin bust with a dick that you can rip off, Mr. Wongburger.
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Is Routine still coming out this month? I can't find any specific date other than "March 2017".
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Mar 17, 2017 14:26
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Sdoots posted:Is Routine still coming out this month? I can't find any specific date other than "March 2017". I still find it hard to believe that it'll ever come out
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The Saddest Rhino posted:i have seen people describing a tumblr comic featuring a diverse and lgbt cast as "tumblr edgelord sjw posting" so the word has completely lost its meaning COLD FISH WITH A HOT TAKE. SKIP IF YOU DON'T LIKE RAMBLIN' I think people mean to use edgelord as in "an attempt entirely focused on getting a visceral reaction out of the audience through subject matter that is extreme or transgressive, but poorly understood and childishly implemented by the artist" but they forget that just because it elicited a visceral reaction doesn't mean that was the intent, and/or just because the artist has no idea how to tell a story well or is a dumb idiot doesn't mean they're not expressing a genuine sentiment. By that definition most of those big haunted houses that pop up around Halloween are edgelord poo poo. They're tasteless and extreme and have very little interest in making much of a statement beyond "You should be very freaked out and maybe buy a shirt on the way out." The Outlast games are very much in the same vein as those attractions. What makes Outlast, as an edgy trash game, interesting is the subject matter they use. The first one was obsessed with the idea of male power and male violence turned in on itself and how allowing corporate concerns to commandeer institutions essential to public health has led to the suffering of those we should look out for and/or venerate the most, as well as the possible disruption of the comfortable interior civilian order we've enjoyed by allowing the system to run itself thus. The second one- from what little I've seen- seems fascinated with the horror of religion overtaking reason, the relation it has to the lack of representation and opportunity the lower class people who fall into the frenzy have, of the sense that the "bad" people are out breeding the "good" people and the general analytic difficulty black-&-white-thinking liberals have in processing the concept of being the "wrong" kind of white in a nation where whiteness is in discourse associated with an ability to 100% steer your own fate. Outlast 2's horror thesis statement, from what I've seen, is "There's impoverished white people who don't live like I do out there, breeding in the wilderness, cooking up a plan to end my comfortable world!" Whether or not they mean any of it, they're saying it. It's a fun house mirror reflection of end stage capitalism through the eyes of the kind of liberal capitalists who think buying hybrid cars and being the right kind of sarcastic online was enough to save the world.
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Mar 17, 2017 15:42
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Also what makes them good is that they're fun to play & they make my heart race and scare me.
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I think you might be overthinking the sorts of things the developers are thinking, but I agree that, gently caress it, it's unsettling and makes my heart go thump thump when I'm playing them. If a movie like Antichrist can exist with all the poo poo that happens in that, a video game that elicits the same uncomfortable feelings is fine. Don't let your kids play it.
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Morpheus posted:I think you might be overthinking the sorts of things the developers are thinking, but I agree that, gently caress it, it's unsettling and makes my heart go thump thump when I'm playing them. If a movie like Antichrist can exist with all the poo poo that happens in that, a video game that elicits the same uncomfortable feelings is fine. Don't let your kids play it. Yeah, I'm not saying they're necessarily thinking it, but they're feeling it, and the narrative flows out of those feelings and can be analyzed. The fact that it makes it into the game, rather than being whitewashed out in favor of cobbling together an experience purely from the developer's favorite horror movie tropes, is what makes Outlast interesting to think about.
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mysterious frankie posted:COLD FISH WITH A HOT TAKE. SKIP IF YOU DON'T LIKE RAMBLIN' Bogart posted:They put adult diapers on kickstarter because the game was going to be so scary
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Spooky lady tryna get a creepis on that bepis, this is the purest form of horror and not eyerollingly cringy at all
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Spooky ghost blowjob
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Can't it be both though? Offering diapers as a Kickstarter reward is an incredibly schlocky, gimmicky marketing move, no doubt. I don't think that in itself changes the fact that the game may very well turn out to hit on some really interesting themes such as mysterious frankie brought up, even if by accident, like the first one seems to have. I still have a hard time defending the first one as much more than a video game version of a haunted house with dick choppings, but it definitely touches on issues relating to mental health and the mainstream perception of it. Even if the the creators are in reality just a bunch of dummies trying to think of shocking things to throw in a game, and I don't know anything about them in order to say one way or another, their points of view and ideas were informed by something and I'm a big fan of death of the author. Look at Texas Chainsaw Massacre (the 1974 one), and the kind of marketing that surrounded the movie, with the hyping it as a true story and (undoubtedly fake) claims of people having heart attacks in the theater (although on looking it up, that may have been more for the Exorcist). It definitely brought in the ticket sales, which was no doubt the goal. Much smarter people than me have written great analyses of Texas Chainsaw Massacre and the messages it carries, and even despite that, it can still be seen as just a really effective horror movie that is also surprisingly restrained, in terms of actual gore, from what you'd expect. Also banned in Australia  Restrained Outlast ain't, but it was effective! I really enjoy these discussions though and think they're worth having.
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I just think you're being too generous on Outlast's perceptions of mental health. They're saying that, like. Mental disease is caused by some (O1 spoilers, I guess. That game's not really story based.) weird gestalt monster being created by a corrupt medical company, and turns you into a boy-loving nutjob. There's no incisive commentary, imo, it's the same tired Othering that's been laid on people with mental health disorders for centuries. To put it in other words, it's just a haunted asylum filled with people with bad brains, and in doing so, the game implicitly stigmatizes them. I'm all for Death of the Author, but when the author chooses to engage in stuff like their poo diapers (which, I understand why anyone wouldn't be too up on the topic, was its own separate Kickstarter), they are choosing to engage their outside-of-work selves with their media. Everything is banned in Australia, though.
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See, I took the story to be, and it's been a while since I played so I may have details wrong and please correct me if so, that they were taking people who had been adjudicated mentally unstable and subjecting them to these experiments, which didn't cause psychosis but instead just exploited their mental illness. My takeaway was the idea was that these were people who they perceived would not be missed or listened to, and so were the perfect victims for a system that was set up with the stated purpose of treating and caring for them, but instead just further victimized them. Although they're presented and used as jump scare fodder and definitely that part of the portrayal is problematic, you'll notice that in the game, most of the patients are not the real threats, if I remember right, it's mostly the former staff that is actively trying to kill you. Notably that guy with the big shears. Most of the patients just seem confused or catatonic. I had to admit I didn't know anything about the Kickstarter, I just looked it up. Oh well at least it failed!
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RightClickSaveAs posted:If I remember right, it's mostly the former staff that is actively trying to kill you. Notably that guy with the big shears. Most of the continuing threat characters were patients unfortunately, the twins with their dicks out, the huge beefman Chris and Mr Mutilator Groom. And welp after looking out of curiousity, doctor shears was a patient too. "Trager was the head of Business Development at Mount Massive Asylum for the Murkoff Corporation before being committed as a patient. During the Mount Massive Asylum Incident, he improvised himself surgeon and started cutting up staff members to "cut corners"."
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Yardbomb posted:Most of the continuing threat characters were patients unfortunately, the twins with their dicks out, the huge beefman Chris and Mr Mutilator Groom. Yeah, the whole game is bullshit "mentally ill people are scary bullshit"
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Speaking as a mentally ill person, the Outlast games are actually more than fantastical enough to be safe in that regard. A psychologically and physically tortured prisoner fueled by brainwashing and the like is about as far from , say, a negative depiction of a manic depressive or schizophrenic as you'll get. M Night Shyamalan's "The Visit" is poo poo, exploitative mentally ill bullshit. Outlast is about as close to a reality as Resident Evil 4 is, or do you take that one to be a negative depiction of east-european Spanish people.
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Wasn't the whole Mount Massive project taking people (mentally ill or not) and driving them purposely psychotic because the Walrider had some arbitrary YOU MUST BE THIS CRAZY TO CONTROL limitation? I don't remember the details but I feel like what story there was made a point that this was not standard mental illness. As if that really needed to be said after more than 5 minutes there. I'm not saying the asylum setting isn't an overused crutch or that psychotics as antagonists helps their image in society in any way but I don't think it was entirely thoughtless.
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Re4 is barely a horror game and it definitely isn't in Spain. Too Shy Guy posted:I don't remember the details but I feel like what story there was made a point that this was not standard mental illness. This is....ADVANCED MENTAL ILLNESS
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Mar 18, 2017 06:25
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Yeah RE4 is set in an unnamed European country where they speak Spanish
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The Pathologic demo introduced me to Theodor Bastard, which is a great Russian trip-hop act, so it is the best game of 2017 as far as I know.
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