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Lord Hydronium posted:Yeah, Holden's never been known for overreacting. The way it happens specifically in the middle of book 2 is not in the same way, though. Its a lot weaker in some way Im having trouble putting to words Im glad they changed it though. Plus Drummer is a lot better than her book analogue, Sam, who is like a caricature
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Phi230 posted:Drummer is a lot better than her book analogue, Sam, who is like a caricature Yeah, Sam's pretty grating; the whole "burly mechanic who deflects with baby-talk" thing gets old immediately. I get why it wasn't practical to put in the show, but so far I prefer the book version of Prax's introduction, and Ganymede so far in general. I don't think it could spoil anything in the show at this point, but just in case: We follow him from right before the mirror hits his dome, through several weeks of looking for his daughter on Ganymede while the situation there gets increasingly dire. He manages to figure out on his own that Mei was taken before the attack, then asks the Roci crew for help after spotting them doing relief work/scoping things out for the OPA (most of the big events are better known to the public in the books, so Holden and crew are fairly famous by this point).
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Is this Prax guy becoming a regular character and "joining the party" as a PC or he's just an npc escort quest? Also I fell into an imdb hole and realized pretty much everyone on the show outside of a few main cast members are Canadians without a ton of credits, and with over-representation from the prairies. The belt is actually just somewhere between Edmonton and Regina. I imagine most of the belter extras are just unemployed oil workers who ran out of money for their meth. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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Mar 16, 2017 15:44
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I am a monster and whenever Drummer is on screen I keep staring at what I think her boobs are because it looks like they hang down to the bottom of her rib cage.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTLhATPl7CI This is what Drummer sounds like normally. Also she plays another serious gun-toting shooty person in some western show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5z2qHllvTU Shohreh Aghdashloo is of course just using her usual voice and this is a pretty good interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lag1bXylX00 Fred Johnson has some opinions on Denim
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Mar 16, 2017 16:57
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Eh, I can kind of understand Holden's reaction to the Protomolecule. He's the only person ever to see that poo poo up close and personal. Remember, he's the only survivor of Eros left. In the books when he figures out what's on Ganymede he absolutely flips his poo poo and goes a little psycho because he's terrified. People do stupid poo poo when they're scared, and it adds a bit to Holden's normally unflappable character.
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Drummer!  Airlonk  Prax  Good Episode.
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Rougey posted:Drummer! Amos  Alex 
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MA-Horus posted:Amos Ship's too healthy. His condition's softening.
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Doctor Butts posted:I am a monster and whenever Drummer is on screen I keep staring at what I think her boobs are because it looks like they hang down to the bottom of her rib cage. she has a long torso and them jumpsuits arent particularly flattering to the female form 
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Hated the build up to the airlock scene. Like all the slow motion sudden smiling and happiness was such a stark turn from refugee, dead-daughter drama that it was very obviously building to something BAD happening. Yeah, a little sad about how they rushed through Prax's poo poo. Really hope we get one particular conversation between him and Amos from the books though. Also some dude on Reddit two weeks back suggested that the figure Bobbie saw waving through the glass should be Mei, and everyone thought it was well clever. Turns out they were right, like whaaaaaaaaaaat. (In case anybody missed that!)
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VagueRant posted:Also some dude on Reddit two weeks back suggested that the figure Bobbie saw waving through the glass should be Mei, and everyone thought it was well clever. Turns out they were right, like whaaaaaaaaaaat. (In case anybody missed that!) That scene was a nightmare though, not something that actually happened on the show. Mei and Prax weren't together when the attack happened, she was with Dr. Strickland.
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Apoffys posted:That scene was a nightmare though, not something that actually happened on the show. Mei and Prax weren't together when the attack happened, she was with Dr. Strickland.
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Collateral posted:Edit away....You can see the Martian Marines that Mei is waving at, nice attention to detail there. I'm dumb and thought she was waving at Jupiter
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The worst part about this change in Prax's introduction is that we're probably not going to see Amos do effective marketing for Campbell's Chicken Soup 
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Johnson telling Holden his crew are no longer welcome on Tycho kind of makes sense when you take into account they're breaking a Mars quarantine zone. He's already dealing with a Belters splintering from his alliance and he can't afford to needlessly antagonize Mars. Still didn't make any sense given that he seemed genuinely pissed at them even though they saved his life in the previous scene.
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They're cutting him out of the PM business, is how I took it. 'You're cutting me out? I'm cutting you out.'
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It feels like they did edit out a scene that makes the escalation to AND STAY OUT make more sense.
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VagueRant posted:Hated the build up to the airlock scene. Like all the slow motion sudden smiling and happiness was such a stark turn from refugee, dead-daughter drama that it was very obviously building to something BAD happening. It seemed really unnecessary as a kick the dog story element, we barely knew Prax and knew Doris even less. We know them even less then the shitboot marines in Bobbies squad whose names I forget. also did not accurately model the atmospheric effects of rapid decompression 0/10
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As a fan of the show, I decided to come check out this thread and was pretty disappointed to find so many people spoiling things from the books without spoiler tags. They were chewed out but I didn't see any probations and it just kept happening across the couple hundred posts I read from last week. Just saying maybe you guys shouldn't do that poo poo if you want new people to the thread to stick around.
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If you put the spoiler peeps on your ignore list, you'll realize that 90% of the posts in this thread are from the same 4 book readers. The thread's been dead from the start.
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ToadStyle posted:If you put the spoiler peeps on your ignore list, you'll realize that 90% of the posts in this thread are from the same 4 book readers. The thread's been dead from the start. Maybe this thread is "dead" because people avoid it due to all the dumb spoilers disguised as speculation?
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Renewed for Season 3
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karrethuun posted:Renewed for Season 3 Took them long enough!
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KPC_Mammon posted:Maybe this thread is "dead" because people avoid it due to all the dumb spoilers disguised as speculation? karrethuun posted:Renewed for Season 3
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I'm not a book reader but I actually like it when people who have read them explain how things have played out differently, I find it interesting to see what they've improved/changed. I guess it's nice to spoiler that for some people, I've never really "got" spoilers but I understand it's very important to some people. But some people have meltdowns if they read "Holden is in the 3rd book" or "there are still spaceships in the 4th book" as major spoilers that don't just need black shading they need to be sanitized in another thread because what if someone accidentally moused over them???
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I didnt think posting about book events that already happened in the show was a big deal.
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karrethuun posted:Renewed for Season 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJbmB9k2Y88 http://www.tvguide.com/news/the-expanse-renewed-season-3-syfy/
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Baronjutter posted:I'm not a book reader but I actually like it when people who have read them explain how things have played out differently, I find it interesting to see what they've improved/changed. I guess it's nice to spoiler that for some people, I've never really "got" spoilers but I understand it's very important to some people. But some people have meltdowns if they read "Holden is in the 3rd book" or "there are still spaceships in the 4th book" as major spoilers that don't just need black shading they need to be sanitized in another thread because what if someone accidentally moused over them??? I mean, if a spoiler is labeled, you mouseover at your own risk, but something like that out in the open is pretty annoying. "[character] is in book #" in a series where important characters sometimes get killed does kind of deflate certain scenes. AirborneNinja posted:I didnt think posting about book events that already happened in the show was a big deal. I think it depends on the context. In some ways, the show is relatively far into the second book. In other ways, it's just starting. For instance, they compressed a whole lot of Prax's storyline into his introductory episode, but they also changed a bunch, so maybe other details that we've already "passed" haven't really been skipped, but are going to be presented in a different order. On the other hand, we're probably not going to double back and learn a bunch of new stuff about, say, Lopez, so that seems safer to talk about openly. I get that that's pretty subjective, though, and that my sense of what is or is not likely to come up again is colored by having read the books, so I'm happy to put last-season comparisons in spoiler tags too, if people want.
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Drummer  Shame about the Fred's indignation-line being cut from the show. That scene kinda struck me the flaws in Holden's zeal and why that poo poo can be infuriating to other people.
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I suspect spoilers will be less of a problem. They followed the first book pretty closely but they're changing a lot now, most of that last episode was totally different from the book.
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They're either rushing things or really compressing events in order to plot scenes around to the end of the season. We spend a lot of time with Prax before he meets Holden. And the meeting is very different. Prax just kinda recognized Holden and asked him for help. Prax already ID'd Strickland as being the last person seen with Mei but his Protogen affiliation isn't revealed until later after some other things happen. Otherwise some things like Strickland taking Mei before the Ganymede battle are exactly as pictured in the book. Amos also isn't as cold, and the crew very much welcomes Prax as the new party member since he had to reroll a new char after Miller got PKd. Such a shame they cut the awesome Bobbie vs. Monster battle way earlier. The MCRN had a mech! Its like the ice spiders/bears/mammoths from GOT. Shamefully cut. RIP Yojimbo the mechwarrior
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Yoji is only the suit! We also lost the guy who could make him tango!
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Can someone explain to me why Fred was mad at Holden for saving his life. And who is this Asian dude?
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Fred being pissed at holden and crew and leaving on bad terms was the only time I felt like I had missed a key scene or part of the plot. Asian dude is miller's player's new character. "ok his new guy is looking for his lost daughter, she was lost where the party is heading next. You guys can talk now"
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Asian dude is Praxideke Meng, a botanist from Ganymede who lost his daughter and is a viewpoint character in this book. Holden and Fred's falling out is real sudden and weird in the show, in the book they've been working together uncomfortably for like a year at this point and it finally snaps. I'm not sure there's any real background to find here it just happens. Baronjutter posted:Asian dude is miller's player's new character. Guys the campaign they played was the broad strokes for like 3/4 of the first book. That's it. They changed the story massively to make it fit into a novel and it has zero to do with anything happening now.
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Grand Fromage posted:Guys the campaign they played was the broad strokes for like 3/4 of the first book. That's it. They changed the story massively to make it fit into a novel and it has zero to do with anything happening now. I'm having a hard time seeing parallels between Prax and Miller, but I guess that's because I have a sense of who Prax is and (not going to spoil tag this) he's not Miller 2.0 at all. But I can see how his initial premise has something of a similar shade to what Miller ended up doing.
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Yeah the Frank/Holden split really felt like it was missing a scene right beforehand. I asked my buddy watching with me "did I miss a scene? Why is Fred so angry?" and his response was "no loving idea dude". That and holden planning to merc Cortazar was weird as gently caress.
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