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Foul Fowl posted:one half of the greatest mma picture of all time tyvm It's fitting that he's here, but he's not the important half.
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yeah, it sucks. i don't like these new owners
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Southpaugh posted:But I really want to see this fight. Extremely hittable featherwight vs welterweight guy who can't throw a punch. Reach is one of the factors most strongly correlated with success in striking sports
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david carmichael posted:Reach is one of the factors most strongly correlated with success in striking sports which is why Stefan Struve is such a unique fighter
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handsome only face posted:which is why Stefan Struve is such a unique fighter Legit KO'd Stipe.
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david carmichael posted:Reach is one of the factors most strongly correlated with success in striking sports Source? The study I've seen found that almost all champions have a reach that is longer than their own height or some poo poo, but I haven't ever seen anything outright saying a taller guy beats a shorter opponent more than 50% of the time. Of course it's an advantage, but so is being faster or stronger than your opponent, which the shorter guy often is. IMO MMA had way too many variables to claim height is one of the most important. If you are taller and a better wrestler than your opponent however....
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Marching Powder posted:Legit KO'd Stipe. Got his face broke by Mark Hunt, all evens out.
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tesilential posted:The study I've seen Source?
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tesilential posted:Source? The study I've seen found that almost all champions have a reach that is longer than their own height or some poo poo, but I haven't ever seen anything outright saying a taller guy beats a shorter opponent more than 50% of the time. Success isn't winning a fight, success is being the champion
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Mar 17, 2017 16:16
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Like you don't use stats to predict how a dice roll will turn out, you use them to predict expected results over many dice rolls
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I remember seeing a chart or graph of the best heavyweight boxing champions (multiple defenses, etc) throughout history and only two had reaches that were shorter than their height. It's the two most obvious boxers too.
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Mar 17, 2017 16:34
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david carmichael posted:Like you don't use stats to predict how a dice roll will turn out, you use them to predict expected results over many dice rolls i get what you're saying but you should also use stats to predict how a dice roll will turn out
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jay z's sedan posted:Source? It was posted in these threads like 10 years ago. Of note was that even Sean Sharks reach exceeded his height.
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tesilential posted:It was posted in these threads like 10 years ago. Of note was that even Sean Sharks reach exceeded his height. Great source
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david carmichael posted:Like you don't use stats to predict how a dice roll will turn out, you use them to predict expected results over many dice rolls You can do both, but your "stat" does neither. Edit: I'm genuinely kinda curious what you originally meant. Are you saying guys with long reach compared to their own height are more likely to be champions? (I think this is proven already) Or are you saying it is strong competitive advantage to be taller than your opponent and that you are more likely to be the victor in a fight against a shorter opponent. I haven't seen support for this (although it makes sense and could be true). The latter seems to be more relevant to discussion on Kelvin vs Anderson. tesilential fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Mar 17, 2017 |
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jay z's sedan posted:Great source Lol
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Did struve have heart surgery recently?
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Reach is pretty obviously a big advantage and every champ except for mighty mouse has some of the longest arms in their division
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vainman posted:Reach is pretty obviously a big advantage and every champ except for mighty mouse has some of the longest arms in their division Im really sad someone had to post reach is an advantage
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long arms is the single most important attribute in a pro fighter lol.
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Southpaugh posted:Also don't understand why people are continuously talking about height/reach as if they are the defining factor in fights. didn't you start watching MMA because of Conor? handsome only face posted:which is why Stefan Struve is such a unique fighter Struve is tall and long but he didn't fight to exploit that advantage. There's a paradox with tall fighters, in that short strikes like knees, hooks, uppercuts, etc. are more effective for them, longer and easier to land. At lower levels of competition that is devastating, and they get used to that, but then against better fighters it doesn't work so well. Luke Barnatt on TUF was one of the worst examples, because he was taller and longer than everybody but would reflexively try to clinch and knee. If you look at R1 of Struve-Miocic you'll see that what Struve really wants is to get inside and hook with Miocic, where he gets outboxed, or he's charging and leaping into huge knees that miss. Then about 90 seconds into R2 he starts jabbing with confidence, snapping Stipe's head back with every impact, and it opens everything up for him.
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:i get what you're saying but you should also use stats to predict how a dice roll will turn out ...........
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I don't mean to be indelicate but what the gently caress are you talking about? Did you go to high School
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Bundt Cake posted:Im really sad someone had to post reach is an advantage its amazing that some people dont understand this, let alone are demanding peer reviewed studies of the subject
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Mar 17, 2017 18:18
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What kind of predictions would you make about a single die roll and what kind of stats would help you make that prediction
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I don't think being physically faster than your opponents is an advantage. I don't have any grounds for this claim, but please discuss this for at least 2 pages.
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Mar 17, 2017 18:22
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david carmichael posted:What kind of predictions would you make about a single die roll and what kind of stats would help you make that prediction I boldly predict that there is a 1 in 6 chance the die will land on 4, because statistically there are six sides on this die and one of them is 4 I submit this for the consideration of the MacArthur Genius Grant to fund me staying at home for a year to play Dungeons and Dragons all day, to better understand the probability of single die rolls for other sizes and shapes of dice
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Bluedeanie posted:I boldly predict that there is a 1 in 6 chance the die will land on 4, because statistically there are six sides on this die and one of them is 4 That's not a prediction, and also, is an untrue statement
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david carmichael posted:That's not a prediction, and also, is an untrue statement Well you win some, you lose some
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Most people don't know poo poo about boxing
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david carmichael posted:What kind of predictions would you make about a single die roll and what kind of stats would help you make that prediction 1/6
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Stats goons ?
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My study is that after Mayweather/Pacquiao Lennox Lewis looked directly into the camera and said "sometimes you just can't do anything to overcome a reach advantage" and his poo poo eating grin was so wide it was in danger of splitting his head in half
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My opinion is they should measure the size of the fighters balls. That's a much better indicator in knowing who is a better fighter.
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2018 UFC is going to be swept by a tiny-balled soccer player with disproportionately long arms who is built like a black man.
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david carmichael posted:My study is that after Mayweather/Pacquiao Lennox Lewis looked directly into the camera and said "sometimes you just can't do anything to overcome a reach advantage" and his poo poo eating grin was so wide it was in danger of splitting his head in half :8 rounds of Mike Tyson getting jabbed into oblivion:
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Disgusting Coward posted:2018 UFC is going to be swept by a tiny-balled soccer player with disproportionately long arms who is built like a black man. I mean yeah, Jon Jones is the best MMA fighter in history.
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Bundt Cake posted:Im really sad someone had to post reach is an advantage It's insane lol
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david carmichael posted:I don't mean to be indelicate but what the gently caress are you talking about? Did you go to high School are you being really obtuse about the use of the word "prediction" here or what
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