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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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MikeCrotch posted:The SPD have increased their vote share from their lowest result in the history of the party since WWII, to the second lowest result in their history of the party since WWII. Truly a result to be respected and feared.
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ThomasPaine posted:rees-mogg was entirely as expected and I just can't bring myself to hate him, Funnily enough, one of the members of our board has had dealings with him. He wouldn't go into specifics when I pressed, but described him as "a real nasty piece of work". Not the bumbling harmless old fool he would have us believe apparently. LemonDrizzle posted:Being MP for Tatton must be the easiest job in the world if you can do it at the same time as editing a widely read newspaper and being a senior adviser to a major financial firm. It's an absolute loving farce. If Corbyn is on the ball, perhaps this could spearhead a push about sorting out MPs having other appointments, since it's so blatantly over the top. Black Rock must be rubbing their hands at the thought of all that backdoor influence they can exercise through him straight into the brains of Londoners.
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Mar 17, 2017 15:45
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Prince John posted:Black Rock must be rubbing their hands at the thought of all that backdoor influence they can exercise through him straight into the brains of Londoners. I think it's more a case of how does anyone expect impartiality of any political reporting to take place when the editor is directly involved in the (nearly) top level of political organisation of the country. Any Tory editor can print 'Corbyn sucks' (and they do!) but this wouldn't even involve an actual leak, just a mindful editorial line.
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Mar 17, 2017 15:48
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Pissflaps posted:Do you think his politics have moved to the right since he left office? Well he hasn't expanded deregulation and private sector involvement in the state or started any more wars since then, so maybe you have a point 🤔
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Mar 17, 2017 15:58
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I didn't have high hopes for Chilcott calling Blair a war criminal, but I'll admit I had some hope that it'd shame him into forever silence and I'm quite upset that it hasn't. I mean, if an 6000 page government document called me an irresponsible bumblefuck, I'd prbobably stop leaving the house.
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Mar 17, 2017 16:05
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namesake posted:I think it's more a case of how does anyone expect impartiality of any political reporting to take place when the editor is directly involved in the (nearly) top level of political organisation of the country. This seems such a strange appointment, pretty much came out of nowhere
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Mar 17, 2017 16:16
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He does a ton of coke, that counts right?
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Mar 17, 2017 16:22
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Talking about editors I saw this yesterdayquote:Dacre emerges from this book as an isolated and, above all, angry figure with a hatred of the new. He never types at a computer – an assistant sends his emails and his staff’s journalism reaches him on paper rather than on screen – and while the Mail prides itself on having its finger on the pulse of present day “Middle England”, Dacre himself rarely sees anywhere that could be so defined. A chauffeured car takes him to and from the Mail’s offices in Kensington, where he spends between 14 and 18 hours a day on most weekdays, normally leaving only after the first edition has gone to press around 10pm. He usually takes lunch in his office, served by the house butler from silver platters. He never shops and he never takes public transport. “It always amused me that, you know, his shoe leather never wore out,” a former Mail journalist says, observing that Dacre spent all of every day on carpets, from home to office and back again, and “never crunched gravel anywhere”. One day, though this is hard to believe, the bard of Middle England apparently asked at an editorial meeting what an ATM actually did.
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Mar 17, 2017 16:41
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baka kaba posted:Talking about editors I saw this yesterday That sounds like a really interesting book and I'm going to get it.
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Mar 17, 2017 17:26
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I always make a point of tearing up a copy of the evening standard on my commute home. Now I'll feel encouraged to tear up two since Gideon's going to be the editor.
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Mar 17, 2017 18:55
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https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/842705898187472897
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Mar 17, 2017 19:33
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Prince John posted:Funnily enough, one of the members of our board has had dealings with him. He wouldn't go into specifics when I pressed, but described him as "a real nasty piece of work". Reese Mogg is just a more competent Boris. In that we all know theres a horrible tory hiding under that veneer of personality thats applied directly to a camera lens and no-where else, but hes not going to be caught with his pants down by Michael loving Gove.
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Mar 17, 2017 20:36
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Prince John posted:Funnily enough, one of the members of our board has had dealings with him. He wouldn't go into specifics when I pressed, but described him as "a real nasty piece of work". He's a Tory MP, being a oval office is a prerequisite.
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Mar 17, 2017 20:58
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Julio Cruz posted:He's a Tory MP, being a oval office is a prerequisite. being a nonce; optional
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Mar 17, 2017 21:12
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I've been out of the loop on UK politics due to american buffoonery, are blairites still trying to sabotage corbyn and has he won any more emergency party leadership elections by a landslide
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Mar 17, 2017 21:45
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Neurolimal posted:I've been out of the loop on UK politics due to american buffoonery, are blairites still trying to sabotage corbyn and has he won any more emergency party leadership elections by a landslide
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Mar 17, 2017 22:10
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Neurolimal posted:I've been out of the loop on UK politics due to american buffoonery, are blairites still trying to sabotage corbyn and has he won any more emergency party leadership elections by a landslide Yes but more subtly, no
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Mar 17, 2017 22:20
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Speaking of Labour, if any goons feel their terrible political ideas need a national platform, the National Policy Forum consultation for this year is up and running.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:33
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MikeCrotch posted:The amount of insanely bad ideas that Churchill came up with and managed to get put into practice is staggering. Have you read Alan Brooke's Diaries? The ratio insanely bad ideas:got put into practice is maybe not what you thought.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:39
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https://twitter.com/johnprescott/status/842833481407365124
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Mar 17, 2017 23:05
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Prescott bringing the bantz
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Mar 17, 2017 23:07
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Loooolllllll
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Mar 17, 2017 23:10
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From following that twitter link to see that it was real and yes, Labour's John Prescott did tweet that - I then saw that Sadiq Khan openly congratulated Osborne on his editor job. Aren't these people supposed to be politicians?
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Mar 17, 2017 23:12
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they're loving bantersaurus rexes
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Mar 17, 2017 23:13
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 JFairfax posted:being a nonce; optional
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Mar 17, 2017 23:13
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Hoops posted:From following that twitter link to see that it was real and yes, Labour's John Prescott did tweet that - I then saw that Sadiq Khan openly congratulated Osborne on his editor job. Aren't these people supposed to be politicians? I've no doubt Sadiq's people are still terrified of the Standard - it might just be a freesheet now but it still has an inordinate amount of influence, and they basically took Ken Livingstone down.
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Mar 17, 2017 23:15
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Guavanaut posted:But without that what would the whips use to force your hand? Actual whips?
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Mar 17, 2017 23:22
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Hoops posted:From following that twitter link to see that it was real and yes, Labour's John Prescott did tweet that - I then saw that Sadiq Khan openly congratulated Osborne on his editor job. Aren't these people supposed to be politicians? Sadiq wasn't taking the piss though.
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Mar 17, 2017 23:38
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namesake posted:Actual whips?
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Mar 17, 2017 23:50
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Guavanaut posted:You want them to vote along with your bad ideas, not jizz their pants and beg for more. Why do you think having the whip withdrawn is such a dire threat?
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Mar 17, 2017 23:52
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I recently had a chat with this formerly-labour-supporting older chap who is now 100% behind May. His reason? There's far too many teenage pregnancies and young people are workshy and get everything given to them, not like he had in the 60s. I disagreed with him about the teenage pregnancies but didn't really have any stats to back it up, it just seemed wrong. Few days later I read this article in the Graun and it's just, uhh, what do you even say to someone who believes in the complete opposite of reality?quote:The number of teenagers giving birth has reached its lowest level in almost 70 years, official figures show. The decline is linked to improvements in contraception advice for young women and access to abortion services, experts said. (As a side note a quick skim of the column would not exactly give you impression that teenage pregnancy rates are historically low, either.)
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Mar 18, 2017 00:59
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Private Speech posted:I recently had a chat with this formerly-labour-supporting older chap who is now 100% behind May. His reason? There's far too many teenage pregnancies and young people are workshy and get everything given to them, not like he had in the 60s. I disagreed with him about the teenage pregnancies but didn't really have any stats to back it up, it just seemed wrong. Few days later I read this article in the Graun and it's just, uhh, what do you even say to someone who believes in the complete opposite of reality? Even if his complete bullshit reasoning had any inkling of reality built into it, what? People these days have an easier life, so let's make it miserable because I had a rough time and so should everyone? That's such a poo poo reasoning and somehow it's so goddamn commonplace it saddens me. What's wrong with people having an easier life? We should strive to make everyone's lives easier. Work to live, don't live to work and all that.
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Mar 18, 2017 01:08
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Teenage pregnancy rates are falling, and a lot of that is due to the availability of sex ed and contraceptive technologies that weren't really public in the 60s, but even if he's 100% right isn't he basically saying "things were better under Wilson than under the shadow of Thatcher and austerity and that's why I'm voting Tory"?
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Mar 18, 2017 01:08
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https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/842858097840459777 https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/842854778673750018
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Pochoclo posted:Even if his complete bullshit reasoning had any inkling of reality built into it, what? People these days have an easier life, so let's make it miserable because I had a rough time and so should everyone? That's such a poo poo reasoning and somehow it's so goddamn commonplace it saddens me. What's wrong with people having an easier life? We should strive to make everyone's lives easier. Work to live, don't live to work and all that. I don't think he wants to make people's lives worse, per se, just more uhh straightjacketed or 'proper' or something. e: quote:Teenage pregnancy rates are falling, and a lot of that is due to the availability of sex ed and contraceptive technologies that weren't really public in the 60s, but even if he's 100% right isn't he basically saying "things were better under Wilson than under the shadow of Thatcher and austerity and that's why I'm voting Tory"? I don't think he sees modern Labour as a continuation of that, but it's all a bit muddled. E.g. he hates Corbyn with a passion despite Corbyn being ideologically relatively close to the mainstream Labour positions of that time. Maybe there is a bit of truth to Labour losing it's more authoritarian/traditionalist elements that it had back then though. I think in some way that's the message the alt-right is trying to push, that they are the true inheritors of the old vanguardist/union-centric/worker's rights movements. And I mean there was an element of, uhh, nationalism and bigotry, to Labour's campaigning at the time. Nowhere near as much as the Tories granted, what with the emblematic "friend of the family for a neighbour", but I remember reading some fairly strong anti-asian ads run by Labour then. Perhaps the world just isn't as enlightened (funny how close that word is to the modern 'woke') as we think it is. I'll be damned if I know what to do about it though. And the media certainly aren't helping. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Mar 18, 2017 |
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Mar 18, 2017 01:19
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Corbyn is going to say some pretty good things tomorrow at a speech to Runnymede Trust.Corbyn posted:In the wake of the Brexit decision, it is vitally important that we value, celebrate and protect our diverse society.
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Mar 18, 2017 01:39
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jabby posted:Corbyn is going to say some pretty good things tomorrow at a speech to Runnymede Trust. There's some pro-refugee bits there too. Good speech overall, my god the comments though. I wonder if we could get some funding to post leftwing comments on articles all day? I half-suspect that's what the right has been doing for a while anyway. e: Or maybe it's just the retirees. Still it seems like something you could pitch to one of the various funding sources as 'unconventional media tactics' and 'influencing the narrative through targeted opinion creating' or something along those lines. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Mar 18, 2017 |
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Mar 18, 2017 02:00
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Private Speech posted:There's some pro-refugee bits there too. Good speech overall, my god the comments though. I wonder if we could get some funding to post leftwing comments on articles all day? I half-suspect that's what the right has been doing for a while anyway. It's speeches like this which remind me why I voted for Corbyn despite his clear difficulties with leadership. It's certainly not a vote winner to defend immigrants and refugees right now, but for gently caress's sake someone has to. And it definitely wouldn't be Cooper, Kendall, Umanna or any of the other possible leadership candidates.
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Mar 18, 2017 02:22
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Private Speech posted:e: Or maybe it's just the retirees. Combo of that and reddit types yeah.
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jabby posted:It's speeches like this which remind me why I voted for Corbyn despite his clear difficulties with leadership. It's certainly not a vote winner to defend immigrants and refugees right now, but for gently caress's sake someone has to. And it definitely wouldn't be Cooper, Kendall, Umanna or any of the other possible leadership candidates. Labour is in no position to defend people outside of government, three line whipping to support the bills that are going to hurt them.
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