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JoelJoel posted:Who the gently caress still constructs buildings out of wood? Almost everyone?
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Nuclearmonkee posted:Almost everyone? My house is wood but my shithouse is brick.
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Mar 17, 2017 20:42
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JoelJoel posted:Who the gently caress still constructs buildings out of wood? fuckin everyone?
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Mar 17, 2017 20:42
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Judging by the crane and the size of the blaze, it doesn't look like some cheap, suburban residence. poo poo's concrete and metal in the developed world.
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Mar 17, 2017 21:47
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Not only do they build all houses out of wood in north america they also build huge apartment buildings entirely out of the thinnest lightest stick frame wood construction possible. 200 unit apartment? Yeah, all wood. It got sprinklers, no fire risk. Now they can build up to 6 story all wood because the lumber lobby said it would solve housing affordability if we could build 6 story wooden condo blocks.
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Mar 17, 2017 21:50
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So you got a special interest lobby influencing crappy building practices? Yeah, probably like that everywhere. Anyway, I'll tone it back. In the big cities in Canada I've been in, pretty much anything built in the last few decades that's over a couple stories tall is a concrete base build with steel framing. Hell, almost anything from the last century is poured concrete. Suburban sprawl housing is still plywood and 2x4s for the most part, but you hardly need a crane to erect those. E vvv my bad, sounded American. A six story wood structure sounds osha AF. Cocaine Bear fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Mar 17, 2017 |
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Mar 17, 2017 21:59
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Vancouver is a big city in Canada and it's BC that pushed hard to allow 6 story wood in the code in the name of "affordability" but it's actually in the name of the BC lumber industry. It's also in the Vancouver area that I've heard inspectors are being told by the city to pretty much never fail any large project built by a deep-pocketed developer because they'll sue the city over it and they can't afford the legal costs and they especially can't afford to look "anti-developer" so tons of shoddy construction is going up.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:08
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Baronjutter posted:6 story wood 
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Mar 17, 2017 22:10
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if your building stays erect for over three hours,
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Mar 17, 2017 22:13
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Don't worry if there's commercial on the bottom floor it has to be concrete. Not the whole building just the bottom floor, then you can put 6 floors of stick frame wood above that to make a 7 story building.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:13
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I see you've never been to Northern Arizona.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:15
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Baronjutter posted:Vancouver is a big city in Canada and it's BC that pushed hard to allow 6 story wood in the code in the name of "affordability" but it's actually in the name of the BC lumber industry. Nobody fuckin lives in them anyways, they're investment condos.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:20
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JoelJoel posted:So you got a special interest lobby influencing crappy building practices? Yeah, probably like that everywhere. Hell, in Wisconsin a building lobby almost had a proposal snuck in to the building codes that would've removed the requirements for sprinkler systems in apartment buildings with three-twenty units. As is, they turned down a requirement for GFCIs for new construction because not having the requirement saves a few hundred dollars, which would apparently be the difference in affordable housing and not affordable or some bullshit. So yeah.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:21
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A developer in BC specifically called out basic building regulations on using door handles rather than old school smooth knobs as a cause for inflating housing prices.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:28
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BJ and I also live in a city that is statistically expected to have a magnitude 9 or higher earthquake within the next 50 to 100 years. Which buildings will fall easier, the concrete or the wood? I guess we'll find out! (Trick question, it will be the 50-75 year old brick and mortar public schools that the government is resisting seismically upgrading)
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Mar 17, 2017 23:38
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186 posted:Hell, in Wisconsin a building lobby almost had a proposal snuck in to the building codes that would've removed the requirements for sprinkler systems in apartment buildings with three-twenty units. Though maybe it's because we don't build poo poo out of wood and cardboard here any more, 
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Mar 18, 2017 00:02
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Mar 18, 2017 00:17
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Sometimes fire is purple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_jLmAB3leA&t=211s
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Mar 18, 2017 00:32
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Vanagoon posted:Does it get more OSHA than nuclear testing? I was chatting with a dude on twitter who is doing his phd on nuclear anthropology and I learned about the nuclear double flash which is not only neat science but can also be used to determine the yield of an atmospheric test.
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Mar 18, 2017 01:54
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Memento posted:nuclear anthropology 
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coupbrick posted:Sometimes fire is purple You can't fool me. That is clearly a rift into hell from which unearthly energies are flowing.
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Mar 18, 2017 02:21
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Baronjutter posted:6 story wood ? 
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Mar 18, 2017 02:27
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Vanagoon posted:Does it get more OSHA than nuclear testing? drat those are cool, thanks for the links. The Royal Nonesuch fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Mar 26, 2017 |
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Mar 18, 2017 02:45
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Platystemon posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG9yyzW-XQ8  it never PH-LUU again
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Mar 18, 2017 02:51
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Mar 18, 2017 03:48
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Wall Balls posted:
This isn't my hat!
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Mar 18, 2017 03:55
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Wall Balls posted:
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Mar 18, 2017 05:13
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Oh it gets better the diffuse layer of fallout products from atmospheric nuclear testing creates such an unmistakably clear and durable boundary strata that we have entered a new geological epoch of our own creation. Welcome to the anthropocene.
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Mar 18, 2017 10:57
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shame on an IGA posted:Oh it gets better the diffuse layer of fallout products from atmospheric nuclear testing creates such an unmistakably clear and durable boundary strata that we have entered a new geological epoch of our own creation. Welcome to the anthropocene. Hey, wanna buy some pre-atomic steel?
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Mar 18, 2017 11:08
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shame on an IGA posted:Oh it gets better the diffuse layer of fallout products from atmospheric nuclear testing creates such an unmistakably clear and durable boundary strata that we have entered a new geological epoch of our own creation. Welcome to the anthropocene. Literally the only geological epoch whose start time can be narrowed down to an exact point: 0529 UTC -6, July 16, 1945. spankmeister posted:Hey, wanna buy some pre-atomic steel? Actually worth a shitload of money for various radiation detection devices that need to be super sensitive. There's probably steel from the WWI German Navy fleet in the CT scan machine in your local hospital. The German naval commander decided that instead of the Glorious Fleet of the Fatherland be divvied up between the Allied powers after Armistice, he would send it to the bottom of a channel off the north coast of Scotland.
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Mar 18, 2017 11:34
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Memento posted:Literally the only geological epoch whose start time can be narrowed down to an exact point: 0529 UTC -6, July 16, 1945. Which we should be incredibly thankful for, I mean imagine where else we'd have to go to get uncontaminated steel (or iron and carbon? )
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Mar 18, 2017 13:24
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Its possible to make clean steel without dredging up old shipwrecks, its just incredibly expensive and the shipwrecks are cheaper right now. People have started raiding war grave wrecks, so it might not be for much longer.
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Mar 18, 2017 13:26
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Boiled Water posted:Which we should be incredibly thankful for, I mean imagine where else we'd have to go to get uncontaminated steel (or iron and carbon? ) Good point, by now they would probably have started dredging up ships that were actually sunk in battle/accidents, given the skeletonised corpses inside a quicky burial at sea then gone about their business.
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Mar 18, 2017 13:27
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Memento posted:Good point, by now they would probably have started dredging up ships that were actually sunk in battle/accidents, given the skeletonised corpses inside a quicky burial at sea then gone about their business. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/16/three-dutch-second-world-war-shipwrecks-vanish-java-sea-indonesia 
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Mar 18, 2017 13:29
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SEA naval graverobbers probably don't have the foresight to sell the ransacked wrecks as pre-atomic steel. They're the large scale equivalent of copper thieves destroying machinery with a resale value of thousands of € for single digits worth of copper.
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Mar 18, 2017 13:43
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TTerrible posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/16/three-dutch-second-world-war-shipwrecks-vanish-java-sea-indonesia loving hell I should have known 
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Mar 18, 2017 13:47
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mobby_6kl posted:I've never seen a sprinkler system in any apartment ever, only in offices. What a shithole, right. My apartment has sprinklers, but I really have to question their efficacy. One is on the wall right above the door, the other is on a wall in my closet. None in the bathroom or bedroom. Then again, this building used to be a hotel and is full of strange architecture. Not sure when it was built or when it was converted into apartments, but my best guess based on other nearby historic buildings puts the original construction around the 1920s or 30s. Recently an inspector from the city came by to check the building for things like working smoke detectors, obvious code violations, and things that needed immediate repair. He noted that it was rather odd that one of the building's steel support beams runs right through my living room, but at least I know the place isn't made of wood, right?  Even stranger than that is the fact that they actually bothered to plaster or drywall over the beam in the room above and below mine.
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Mar 18, 2017 13:49
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That's cool, you can use the steel beam to ground all your electric appliances!
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Mar 18, 2017 14:14
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^^^ Good place to store your jet fuel too. Ethiopia landslide: Number of dead at rubbish dump hits 113  quote:The death toll from Saturday's landslide at a vast dump in Ethiopia's capital, Addis Ababa, has now risen to 113 people, local officials say. What a rotten way to die.
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mobby_6kl posted:I've never seen a sprinkler system in any apartment ever, only in offices. What a shithole, right. Fire sprinklers are actually really important in residential buildings even if they are constructed from non-combustible materials. There is more than enough flammable material in your bed/sofa/curtains/rugs to kill you even if the fire never spreads to your neighbors apt due to the concrete walls. Bees on Wheat posted:My apartment has sprinklers, but I really have to question their efficacy. One is on the wall right above the door, the other is on a wall in my closet. None in the bathroom or bedroom. Then again, this building used to be a hotel and is full of strange architecture. Not sure when it was built or when it was converted into apartments, but my best guess based on other nearby historic buildings puts the original construction around the 1920s or 30s. Building codes for hotel renovations usually don't require fire sprinklers in bathrooms, but do in closets, so that part makes sense. Not having one in the bedroom is super huge, so are you sure it isnt concealed somewhere along the wall or behind a white plate on the ceiling? If not, I'd imagine that perhaps your room got the short end of the remodel(considering your steal beam decor) and the sprinkler head that is supposed to be there got plugged off by accident! Source: I design fire sprinkler systems
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