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Pryor on Fire posted:Skipping the inspection seems to be increasingly common here in Colorado. All the "Googler" fuckheads buying the places don't care, they will just tear the house down and build a new monstrosity anyway. Wow, and I thought that the tales of locals angry about the housing tastes of yuppies were overblown: https://www.citylab.com/design/2017/03/denver-battles-with-its-fugly-new-housing/519333/ Welcome to the new mcmansions, higher density and a complete disregard to what it looks like from the outside rather than fake luxury excessively busy exteriors. 
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OTOH, if they're sustainably built, density as a goal is fine to me. Do I wish these spaces were more charming and eclectic? Sure, but that's not really reasonable with brand new construction. If they're efficient and proximal to things like transit and not utterly wasteful, this kind of SFH construction seems preferable to the "classic" detached house, car-as-king, low density suburban sprawl we see so much.
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Mar 14, 2017 18:20
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I like sim city 2020 style housing. Better then fake 1900 row houses.
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Mar 14, 2017 18:27
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Mar 14, 2017 19:11
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5 RING SHRIMP posted:Those are outright hideous Yeah so? They're like high capacity frat-houses for aging Snake People.
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Mar 14, 2017 19:54
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Density is cool and roof decks are cool. I kind of like the idea of those Slot Homes for increasing density but the actual exterior appearances could use some work.
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Mar 14, 2017 19:59
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Would it kill them to use a color, maybe?
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Sundae posted:Would it kill them to use a color, maybe? Brown is a color! Look how nicely it contrasts with the gray, taupe, slate, earth, clay and asphalt colors already present! It's Denver, not Bermuda or San Francisco.
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A bunch of new development around here in flyover country is duplexes and fourplexes and I don't understand why. Land is plentiful and cheap so for like 20% more you could get a single family home and not have to share a wall with anybody. Not sharing a wall with anybody was like 80% of the reason I bought a house.
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Thoguh posted:A bunch of new development around here in flyover country is duplexes and fourplexes and I don't understand why. Land is plentiful and cheap so for like 20% more you could get a single family home and not have to share a wall with anybody. Duplex condos are certainly super popular in Iowa, I think because a lot of people see it as an incremental upgrade to renting and that 20% is what stops them from doing so, so they get their starter condo and in 3 years go to upgrade.
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Thoguh posted:A bunch of new development around here in flyover country is duplexes and fourplexes and I don't understand why. Land is plentiful and cheap so for like 20% more you could get a single family home and not have to share a wall with anybody. Cities across the country are now starting to grow with moderation, and higher density, more intentional development will be the way of the future going forward. Growth management is now a subject in city halls everywhere! Plus, obviously it's more profitable for developers.
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B-b-but I love having my half an acre land in the Portland area. I'll never have to move then...I'll never find this again. 
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Brown is a color! Look how nicely it contrasts with the gray, taupe, slate, earth, clay and asphalt colors already present! It's Denver, not Bermuda or San Francisco. Totally true. They'd be $2M each in San Francisco.
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Brown is a color! Look how nicely it contrasts with the gray, taupe, slate, earth, clay and asphalt colors already present! It's Denver, not Bermuda or San Francisco. You seem strangely defensive of these monstrosities, did you personally build them or something?
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QuarkJets posted:You seem strangely defensive of these monstrosities, did you personally build them or something? No, I just think they are light years better than McMansions, so I'm willing to overlook a lot of the warts. I'm sure they're really gorgeous on the inside, too, because it turns out it's a lot more important to your quality of life to enjoy the inside of your home than the outside. It's kind of debatable to me whether private homes should be subject to scrutiny as works of public architecture. Like, who cares? It can be massively utilitarian if it wants, it's not like the face of some corporation or public office.
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Pryor on Fire posted:Skipping the inspection seems to be increasingly common here in Colorado. All the "Googler" fuckheads buying the places don't care, they will just tear the house down and build a new monstrosity anyway. What does this mean? Is this racist?
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HEY NONG MAN posted:What does this mean? Is this racist? Yes, against highly compensated tech employees. They come from California, say "oh boy $550k is a STEAL for this 1700sqft 3/2" and entirely reshape the look of your real estate market.
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I was absolutely floored when we first started looking at houses in Denver and every single showing was clogged with young tech startup looking people. I mean, I am one of those too I guess, but it was surprising nonetheless. Furthermore, it's a weird feeling when $500k starts feeling entry-level. The number of compromises that you are being asked to make on a half a million dollar house in this market is truly bonkers.
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Mar 15, 2017 16:14
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God I'm glad I don't have to live in the West.
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Twerk from Home posted:Wow, and I thought that the tales of locals angry about the housing tastes of yuppies were overblown: https://www.citylab.com/design/2017/03/denver-battles-with-its-fugly-new-housing/519333/ The thing that always gets me about stuff like this is that these criticisms could just have easily applied to what we were building 100 years ago as they do today. Function over form, cookie cutter structures, no regional vernacular. C'mon! I still don't know what it's really about because if you applied those standards to today's beloved century old homes, they'd all be miserable failures as well. Also there's talk about a climate based vernacular. We have air conditioning and furnaces, that ship has sailed. The vernacular you see now is zoning related, what bizarre restrictions does zoning place on new development that causes these things to be built.
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I've been thinking about these houses all night and they've really grown on me.
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I actually like the rowhome things at the top of the article (and that I quoted above) except for the godawful window placement. The others I have no ideas because they're abominations of mixed materials for no apparent reason (wouldn't surprise me if it was zoning).
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Mar 15, 2017 16:57
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Those row houses would like 100% better with some wood strip siding, corrugated metal, or fiber cement panels.
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These have a consistent style (Modernist, sorta) and the window placement is intentionally erratic but still has a symmetry to it across the several houses. The biggest issues with them that I see are the extremely cheap and poor surface treatment. You can see the seams in the plywood panels, it looks like interior drywall that someone didn't properly mud and sand. This gives the whole row an air of severe cheapness. The very simple square and rectangular windows appear stuck to the surface, too, and that adds to the effect. Secondarily, from this angle it's evident you're never supposed to enjoy an outdoor aspect of living there. They feel claustrophobic not because they're row houses, but because of the bare, sterile fence, empty ground in front, four identically bare and dead looking trees (presumably just leafless because it's winter) stuck in tiny claustrophobic "back yards," etc. I think we're looking at the rear elevations, the fronts might be very different, but based on what we can see, these houses are places to go isolate yourself in while listening to - and despising - every tiny noise your neighbors make through the (presumably) paper-thin, cheap as gently caress shared walls. Finally, they're obviously vacant. There's no window treatments - no curtains, nothing inside, you can see right through the one on the right. Makes them seem like hollow structures. Once someone moves in and puts a plant in a window and some blinds up or something, they'll look a little bit better. But yeah they're gross mostly because they're obviously both brand new, and already looking like they're falling apart. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Leperflesh posted:But yeah they're gross mostly because they're obviously both brand new, and already looking like they're falling apart. This right here sums up why 90% of new construction is shite.
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Leperflesh posted:These have a consistent style (Modernist, sorta) and the window placement is intentionally erratic but still has a symmetry to it across the several houses. The biggest issues with them that I see are the extremely cheap and poor surface treatment. You can see the seams in the plywood panels, it looks like interior drywall that someone didn't properly mud and sand. This gives the whole row an air of severe cheapness. The very simple square and rectangular windows appear stuck to the surface, too, and that adds to the effect. Please look up some houses on Zillow and write about them ITT.
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have I got the website for you! http://www.mcmansionhell.com/
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Basically everything I said I learned by reading mcmansion hell so yeah, just read that my friend. It's good.
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Leperflesh posted:These have a consistent style (Modernist, sorta) and the window placement is intentionally erratic but still has a symmetry to it across the several houses. The houses as a set are asymmetrical though; the far-right windows on the house on the far-right are all lower than the other 3 houses. And the third house from the left has an overhead light on the top floor, a feature that the others lack for some reason. This also raises the ridiculous decision to put a pair of outdoor lights over the pair of tiny windows on the left side of each house (the house second from the left apparently left these lights on; seriously, what the gently caress are these for?) FISHMANPET posted:The thing that always gets me about stuff like this is that these criticisms could just have easily applied to what we were building 100 years ago as they do today. Function over form, cookie cutter structures, no regional vernacular. C'mon! I still don't know what it's really about because if you applied those standards to today's beloved century old homes, they'd all be miserable failures as well. The thing is though that you can have form and function. Plenty of highly-functional homes also look nice. These look like they were slapped together in a weekend from a 4 year-old's impressionistic drawing of what a house looks like. These houses look so poorly designed that I challenge the notion that they're even functional at all. Without seeing the inside we can't say for sure either way, but one-quarter of the top level is uncovered and apparently is just a giant rain-catching flat volume, since it had to be hooked up to the vertical gutter pipe but is also supposed to be recreational space somehow; that's going to be a nightmare to maintain.
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But "it's not functional" isn't one of the arguments in that article! I take issues with statements like this:quote:very boxy style that isn’t really a style, it’s very utilitarian. There are thousands of simple square boxes in my city, covered in stucco (because for whatever reason at the turn of the century stucco was easy in Minnesota). They're simple, they're boxy, they're utilitarian. The article mentions italianate architecture as being part of Denver, but Denver is not Italy. I'm sure there's italianate architecture all around the country. I'm also betting that there are plenty of beloved Victorians in Denver. But there are beloved Victorians all over the country that look nearly identical to each other. They're cookie cutter mass produced houses. So again, I look at these articles that complain about how design these days is so bad, but these same exact arguments would have applied to the houses built 100 years ago that we now love. So what's the difference? I'm not saying these houses are beautiful, I'm saying that we really really really suck at criticizing them. I'll agree that there's something wrong with the buildings in that article. But the it's not the things the article says, it's something else.
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Speaking of Denver, and Nashville where I'm moving and we originally got on this tangent, I'm getting some major cold feet about buying after looking at house prices over the last 4 years. It seems inevitable that after years of double digit percentage annual price increases and rates finally going up now that there's going to be a market top. I had a nightmare last night that we were moving out of Nashville in 5 years, which is about how long we know we'll be there for sure, and ate a $70k loss on the house. Looking at reports from 3 years ago in the places where I can barely find anything under $440k, new construction was going for $260k in 2013.
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I feel you, and I all I can say is that I read Peter Lynch quotes to help me sleep at night. Peter Lynch posted:"Far more money has been lost by investors preparing for corrections, or trying to anticipate corrections, than has been lost in corrections themselves." Peter Lynch posted:"I can't recall ever once having seen the name of a market timer on Forbes' annual list of the richest people in the world. If it were truly possible to predict corrections, you'd think somebody would have made billions by doing it." If you know there's an expiration date on your time in Nashville, that obviously puts a lot more pressure on your game plan and I'd say that it's almost a given that you won't be selling at the perfect time. Having said that, no one can predict the future and if you are in a position to buy and have made the decision that it's the best option for you given your current situation, then that's all that you can really know for certain. Mikey Purp fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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Twerk from Home posted:Speaking of Denver, and Nashville where I'm moving and we originally got on this tangent, I'm getting some major cold feet about buying after looking at house prices over the last 4 years. It seems inevitable that after years of double digit percentage annual price increases and rates finally going up now that there's going to be a market top. I had a nightmare last night that we were moving out of Nashville in 5 years, which is about how long we know we'll be there for sure, and ate a $70k loss on the house. I'm in Memphis and even without the insane increase in prices, I'm still paranoid about selling in a few years and getting hammered with a loss.
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Twerk from Home posted:Speaking of Denver, and Nashville where I'm moving and we originally got on this tangent, I'm getting some major cold feet about buying after looking at house prices over the last 4 years. It seems inevitable that after years of double digit percentage annual price increases and rates finally going up now that there's going to be a market top. I had a nightmare last night that we were moving out of Nashville in 5 years, which is about how long we know we'll be there for sure, and ate a $70k loss on the house. Nashville has been crazy the last 5 years or so. I bought the first time in 2011 when the market was still about at the bottom. There were so many houses that had been for sale for a LONG time, and I was able to lowball my way into a house where the previous owner had already moved to Texas and just wanted out. Fast forward to last year, if you didn't go look at something the day it was listed and put in a good offer, you didn't stand a chance. I'm a little scared like you are about the market going down again, but I got into my condo cheap enough that I know I'll have no problem renting it out if necessary.
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DJCobol posted:Nashville has been crazy the last 5 years or so. I bought the first time in 2011 when the market was still about at the bottom. There were so many houses that had been for sale for a LONG time, and I was able to lowball my way into a house where the previous owner had already moved to Texas and just wanted out. Fast forward to last year, if you didn't go look at something the day it was listed and put in a good offer, you didn't stand a chance. I'm a little scared like you are about the market going down again, but I got into my condo cheap enough that I know I'll have no problem renting it out if necessary. This is what Charlotte is doing. I'm looking for an old fixer upper and people are paying cash and over asking for houses, slapping lipstick on them and selling them for 50k more. gently caress these people, I just want a project house to actually live in and make mine. I'm taking a break and hoping the market cools down, cause I'm not paying 160k for a house that doesn't have A/C or grounded outlets yet.
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Looks like our appraisal went without any issues, is it pretty much smooth sailing from here on out? Can I loving breath already?
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Photex posted:Looks like our appraisal went without any issues, is it pretty much smooth sailing from here on out? Can I loving breath already? Now the paperwork starts.
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H110Hawk posted:Now the paperwork starts. There's always more and it's always worse. I was pleasantly surprised that the people buying my house didn't even want an inspection. I suspect that they're flat broke since they asked for help with the closing costs. Regardless, they're lucky because the house is actually in decent shape.
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Twerk from Home posted:Speaking of Denver, and Nashville where I'm moving and we originally got on this tangent, I'm getting some major cold feet about buying after looking at house prices over the last 4 years. It seems inevitable that after years of double digit percentage annual price increases and rates finally going up now that there's going to be a market top. I had a nightmare last night that we were moving out of Nashville in 5 years, which is about how long we know we'll be there for sure, and ate a $70k loss on the house. Use the ny times rent vs buy calc. You can figure out what is best for you given the length of time you will be living there and your predictions on the rental increases, home appreciation, and stock market gains/opportunity cost
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