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What was the general idea on LeVeon Bell entering the draft? His combine numbers aren't anything special.
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89 posted:What was the general idea on LeVeon Bell entering the draft? His combine numbers aren't anything special. Bell is way bigger than Cook but tested better than Cook in everything but the 40. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/le'veon-bell?id=2540175 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/dalvin-cook?id=2557991 Look at the difference in the cone and shuttle 
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Mar 18, 2017 22:40
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89 posted:So Doltos is like our TFF Mayock The next Redskins GM?
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Mar 18, 2017 22:47
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Ehud posted:Bell is way bigger than Cook but tested better than Cook in everything but the 40. Yeah, but does the combine test patience and vision? 
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Mar 19, 2017 00:52
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Doltos is really bad at scouting and predictions, but so is basically everyone and at least it fosters discussion. Yep but only I'm allowed to say that so gently caress you
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Mar 19, 2017 03:11
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Ehud posted:Bell is way bigger than Cook but tested better than Cook in everything but the 40. Makes sense. It's nearly impossible to tackle Bell if you're facing him, but he gets drug down from behind all the time
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Mar 19, 2017 03:46
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I wrote a detailed post last year about why the Eagles should draft Goff instead of Wentz last year before the draft. So, by these metrics, Eagles should go Balls Deep In McCaffrey.
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Mar 19, 2017 08:43
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Ehud posted:Bell is way bigger than Cook but tested better than Cook in everything but the 40. I think you guys are lending a little too much legitimacy to testing. Let's say a guy runs a 40 yard dash in 4.5 seconds. That means he's averaging about 8.9 yards a second. Let's say another guy runs a 40 in 4.7 seconds. That's 8.5 yards a second. That's about a foot difference. You may say, wow, that's a whole foot, but those types of small distances are made up for in a variety of ways. If a WR prospect running a 4.7 matches up against a CB prospect who's running a 4.5, those breadths of a second can easily be covered by the WR being quicker or more deliberate with where they want to go on the field. Same goes for vertical jump and broad jump, which admittedly do tell us a lot about a prospects acceleration, but don't necessarily correlate to on the field production. This is kinda why I hate the combine. It's a bunch of measurable drills that aren't sports specific deciding the future of obviously talented kids. The biggest red flag about Dalvin Cook isn't his athleticism, which obviously should be considered elite if anyone watched Florida State this year, but his shoulder injuries which could legitimately tank him as a prospect.
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Mar 19, 2017 16:41
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I can bench more than Christian mccaffrey and that means I am a better prospect
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Mar 19, 2017 16:53
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Ehud posted:I can bench more than Christian mccaffrey and that means I am a better prospect We need to see how bubbly your butt is.
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Mar 19, 2017 17:53
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Ehud posted:I can bench more than Christian mccaffrey and that means I am a better prospect I'm gonna draft you in the Goon Draft.
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Mar 19, 2017 18:26
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Ehud posted:I can bench more than Christian mccaffrey and that means I am a better prospect Yea, but what's your wonderlic?
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Mar 19, 2017 20:48
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big money big clit posted:Yea, but what's your wonderlic? 9
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Mar 19, 2017 21:11
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big money big clit posted:Yea, but what's your wonderlic? Hook em
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Mar 19, 2017 21:26
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Mar 19, 2017 22:53
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Rotoworld, on Christian McCaffery posted:McCaffrey impressed in both athletic testing and drills at the NFL Scouting Combine several weeks ago. He has seen a subsequent ascension in his draft stock. Indeed, McShay's mock actually has him jumping over FSU RB Dalvin Cook, whom the analyst pegs to the Redskins at No. 17. McShay believes that McCaffrey's "elite character" could serve as a tiebreaker for some teams when deciding between Cook and C-Mac. NFL teams are kind of dumb aren't they
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Mar 19, 2017 23:43
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That's Todd mcshay, who just sells his opinion to the highest bidder.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:45
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Is "elite character" the new code word for white
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Mar 19, 2017 23:46
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Pakled posted:Is "elite character" the new code word for white I think it's the opposite of "outlaw bloodlines"
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Mar 19, 2017 23:50
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Adun posted:I think it's the opposite of "outlaw bloodlines" That means "looks white but isn't"
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Mar 20, 2017 00:03
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Adun posted:I think it's the opposite of "outlaw bloodlines" If he had made that comparison to Mixon or someone with a record, it might make sense.
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Mar 20, 2017 00:57
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McShays an idiot and great character superlatives get applied to prospects regardless of race. loving Garrett Bolles is getting bad character red flags because he used to be a gang banger while Garrett's getting great character flags because he's super dedicated to football. Stop trying to apply race to everything!!
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Mar 20, 2017 01:47
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Doltos posted:McShays an idiot and great character superlatives get applied to prospects regardless of race. loving Garrett Bolles is getting bad character red flags because he used to be a gang banger while Garrett's getting great character flags because he's super dedicated to football. you're not the boss of me
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Mar 20, 2017 01:57
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Doltos posted:I think you guys are lending a little too much legitimacy to testing. I am curious if prospects wearing football pads would impact their testing times equally or not. Because that is the biggest issue I have with the combine. Some guys seem to have a greater dropoff athletically if they are wearing pads.
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Mar 20, 2017 02:59
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Doltos posted:McShays an idiot and great character superlatives get applied to prospects regardless of race. loving Garrett Bolles is getting bad character red flags because he used to be a gang banger while Garrett's getting great character flags because he's super dedicated to football. Unless he is consistently a problem (which he might be I dunno) him being a gang banger at one point isn't really relevant.
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Mar 20, 2017 04:44
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Sataere posted:I am curious if prospects wearing football pads would impact their testing times equally or not. Because that is the biggest issue I have with the combine. Some guys seem to have a greater dropoff athletically if they are wearing pads. That's one of the bunch of issues I see. 1. Three cone doesn't measure agility applied to a football setting and is measured as a time total instead of just when players turn their hips fully to a new direction. 2. Bench press doesn't measure leverage strength which I believe is more important than straight arm strength that is showcased in WR/DB/Special teams blocking. 3. Too many people look at the 40 yard dash's end time instead of the 10 yard split. 4. Prospects should run drills way more than two times with do-overs. You're only looking at their first couple of attempts which only shows how well they perform completely fresh. 5. Training facilities offer draft combine training and every prospect goes to them. They train to perform well in the drills, not for in game situations. 6. Everyone has days where they don't perform as best as they can. At the end of the day people want to say that NFL execs take everything into consideration but the research I've seen and done shows that great test scores = high selection. There are way too many mediocre college players being taken high for it to just be a coincidence.
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Mar 20, 2017 04:45
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Sataere posted:I am curious if prospects wearing football pads would impact their testing times equally or not. Because that is the biggest issue I have with the combine. Some guys seem to have a greater dropoff athletically if they are wearing pads. Probably not as much as you'd think. McCaffrey is weak as poo poo but still ran amazingly fast in pads when he was on the field. If pads were that big of a gamechanger, his 40 would have to be much lower, imo.
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Mar 20, 2017 11:09
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swickles posted:If he had made that comparison to Mixon or someone with a record, it might make sense. Cook's got some history doesn't he? I know the girl outside the bar thing where he 'hit her' turned out to be nothing but didn't he have some other stuff before that? Nothing like Mixon of course.
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Mar 20, 2017 13:46
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Grittybeard posted:Cook's got some history doesn't he? I know the girl outside the bar thing where he 'hit her' turned out to be nothing but didn't he have some other stuff before that? There was that, he was arrested and charged with a misdemeanor for causing property damage with a broken gun, and was cited for cruelty to animals for having some puppies tied up outside too restrictively. So nothing very egregious, but in comparison with the squeaky clean Stanford kid I guess they qualify as character issues?
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Mar 20, 2017 15:46
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big money big clit posted:There was that, he was arrested and charged with a misdemeanor for causing property damage with a broken gun, and was cited for cruelty to animals for having some puppies tied up outside too restrictively. I hope he goes undrafted 
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Mar 20, 2017 15:54
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He certainly doesn't have elite character though.
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Mar 20, 2017 16:41
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What the gently caress even is elite character? Is he compelled to help every old lady he sees cross the street? If he passes a burning building does he always run in to save the family pet? Does his skin lack melanin? Does he volunteer for every church bake sale?
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Mar 20, 2017 16:48
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Could elite character be a detriment on the field? "Sorry coach, I could see he was having a rough day and he needed that tackle more than I needed those extra yards."
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Mar 20, 2017 16:51
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zimbomonkey posted:What the gently caress even is elite character? Is he compelled to help every old lady he sees cross the street? If he passes a burning building does he always run in to save the family pet? Does his skin lack melanin? Does he volunteer for every church bake sale? Derek Carr would have been #1 overall if elite character actually mattered.
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zimbomonkey posted:What the gently caress even is elite character? Is he compelled to help every old lady he sees cross the street? If he passes a burning building does he always run in to save the family pet? Does his skin lack melanin? Does he volunteer for every church bake sale? Those superlatives are mind numbing sometimes but they do matter. It's a work environment. I'd generally hire a dude who the rest of the team would respond favorably to than one the rest of the team wouldn't. His teammates might not care about his 'elite character' but crotchety old coaches and the owner/decision makers might.
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Mar 20, 2017 17:00
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All anyone around the Texans could talk about last season was Osweiler's leadership ability and work ethic and character *makes fart noises*
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Mar 20, 2017 17:15
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No son of Ed McCaffrey has elite character.
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Mar 20, 2017 17:26
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How does Nathan Peterman compare to someone like, say, Tom Savage?
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Mar 20, 2017 17:41
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Doltos posted:Those superlatives are mind numbing sometimes but they do matter. It's a work environment. I'd generally hire a dude who the rest of the team would respond favorably to than one the rest of the team wouldn't. His teammates might not care about his 'elite character' but crotchety old coaches and the owner/decision makers might. Ok I get that you want good character. That's obvious. The elite part is what my problem is. Either a guy is a good dude or he isn't. They just came up with a new way to make the white guy sound nicer.
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Bigass Moth posted:Derek Carr would have been #1 overall if his name was Derek Jones.
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