big time bisexual posted:

only tangentially related but lollll

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1u2abNAFX4&t=18s

BONGHITZ posted:

"seriously, why are chinese people not from my province so fxxxing dirty, it's pissing me off, i seriously can't stand them"

Grand Fromage posted:

I rode a train today. I had a business class ticket. Business class on a Chinese high speed train (which looked like either a copy or a purchased shinkansen) turns out to be super nice and also presumably gives you access to this place, so I went in.

BONGHITZ posted:

A little background, I'm a half Japanese/Chinese who was raised in America while my girlfriend is full Korean and has lived most of her life in South Korea and moved here during her early teens. She is proficient at English but I wouldn't say fluent as she still hangs around Korean friends/communities and doesn't really hang outside of that circle.

We've never known each other prior to dating as we were introduced by a mutual friend and we just hit it off from there. I've never once mentioned to her that I'm half Chinese because I never really had a appropriate time/situation to mention it to her and honestly I never thought that it would matter at all. She just assumed I'm Japanese since I can speak fluent Japanese and have a full Japanese name.

Just last week, we were eating out at a Korean bbq place and we were sitting accross the table to a Chinese family who was being a bit loud and rude to the waiters (but honestly given the busy vibe of the restaurant, it wasn't that bad imo). Immediately you could tell my girlfriend wasn't happy about the situation and said "ah do these people have any basic manners at all?". Then after about 30 minutes, the father of the chinese family faced towards our direction near our food and started coughing like no tomorrow without covering his mouth and than spat into one of the cups. You could tell at this point my girlfriend was quite pissed and made another remark saying "seriously, why are chinese people so fxxxing dirty, it's pissing me off, i seriously can't stand them". I was completely speechless and I had no idea what to say, instead I just kind of ignored what she said and changed the subject.

I always thought of her as an open minded person considering that I'm Japanese (if you didn't know, Japan and Korea don't have the best relations due to politics and history), but now I'm thinking it's because she's into anime/games so she might be more open minded about Japanese only. I feel really torn about this because she is the first girl I dated which I really feel like our personalities and interests/hobbies really match.

Being part Chinese is something I want to embrace with it's deep beautiful history/culture and isn't something I want to hide, I've always wanted to teach my future kids to be multilingual as I feel like Chinese is a very useful language as it's the most spoken in the world (even though i'm horrible at mandarin).

I don't know what to do from here on and how to approach this situation. Is this something we should break up over? Deep inside I want to say that she didn't mean those words and just said too much in that given situation, but at the same time she could really be racist as I know that the image of Chinese people isn't that good in Korea. Is there anyway I can salvage this relationship? I don't even know what to say as I've been thinking about this all week and it's been driving me absolutely crazy. I wish I would of just mentioned to her that I'm half chinese the moment we met.

tl;dr: Went to eat dinner with my girlfriend and sat across the table of a Chinese family. The Chinese family was a bit rude and did some gross things so my girlfriend said some racist remarks about Chinese people but she doesn't know that I'm half Chinese. Please help me, I don't know what to say/do.

BONGHITZ posted:

Imperialist Dog posted:

So I'm halfway through the book about the Great Leap Forward and I think it actually explains more about why China is the way it is more than the complete overt destruction that happened during the cultural Revolution

I think the best description of it is post-apocalyptic movies and films, perhaps taking Walking Dead as an example, except that instead of a complete breakdown of society because of zombies, you have it because of the Communist Party. The zombies are still running after you and trying to eat you, but it's because they are starving farmers.

The stories are absolutely horrendous. Grain production actually went down after the communists took over, but of course because they reported bumper harvest every year, more grain was actually taken from the already starving farmers. Farmers literally ate their houses because some of it was organic material. Food that you could get at the centralised canteen was redeemable with a ticket, which you had to stand in line for for hours. If you follow the rules and stayed in line, it would take you a whole day, and the time you got there there would be no food left. The only way that you could survive is if you pushed the small, like children, or the weak like the elderly out of the way and barge your way to the front.

Everything was fair game. Blind grandmothers were robbed of ration coupons in the street. One woman kept her coupons in a purse around her neck; at night a nephew snuck in, cut the string and took the coupons for himself. The woman died of starvation a few days later. Meanwhile, Party officials and cadres treated themselves to lavish banquets. Restaurants favoured by the Party had rice clogging their sewer system, such were the leftovers.

Due to idiot economic policies, the value of the yuan dropped. People spent money like crazy on ostentatious luxury items because your currency would lose half its value the next day and the State would freeze your bank account anyway. Material goods had a bonus because you could barter with it. Those gold earrings or that jade hairpin you found in the black market could be traded for a sack of grain next month so buy buy buy!

How about an office full of workers doing nothing? It started during this time. Factories and farms set up systems where one guy would watch for the boss/cadre so the workers would look productive when they walked by. Other workplaces didn't give a poo poo. Why? Because workers and farmers alike were literally starving. Doing work burned calories that were not going to be replaced. Sleeping on the job literally became essential to survival.

Does mainlanders throwing away stuff because it has a scratch instead of repairing it annoy you? Turns out you could only repair stuff at Authorised People's Service Centres. The centres were corrupt and inefficient but gently caress you, there's no way for you to fix it yourself because the party has literally confiscated everything. In one village people were mysteriously repairing their clothes because someone had hidden a sewing needle from marauding collection militias. A whole village, sharing one illegal needle.

I'm only halfway through the book but goddamn it explains so much.

Imperialist Dog posted:

So I'm halfway through the book about the Great Leap Forward and I think it actually explains more about why China is the way it is more than the complete overt destruction that happened during the cultural Revolution

I think the best description of it is post-apocalyptic movies and films, perhaps taking Walking Dead as an example, except that instead of a complete breakdown of society because of zombies, you have it because of the Communist Party. The zombies are still running after you and trying to eat you, but it's because they are starving farmers.

The stories are absolutely horrendous. Grain production actually went down after the communists took over, but of course because they reported bumper harvest every year, more grain was actually taken from the already starving farmers. Farmers literally ate their houses because some of it was organic material. Food that you could get at the centralised canteen was redeemable with a ticket, which you had to stand in line for for hours. If you follow the rules and stayed in line, it would take you a whole day, and the time you got there there would be no food left. The only way that you could survive is if you pushed the small, like children, or the weak like the elderly out of the way and barge your way to the front.

Everything was fair game. Blind grandmothers were robbed of ration coupons in the street. One woman kept her coupons in a purse around her neck; at night a nephew snuck in, cut the string and took the coupons for himself. The woman died of starvation a few days later. Meanwhile, Party officials and cadres treated themselves to lavish banquets. Restaurants favoured by the Party had rice clogging their sewer system, such were the leftovers.

Due to idiot economic policies, the value of the yuan dropped. People spent money like crazy on ostentatious luxury items because your currency would lose half its value the next day and the State would freeze your bank account anyway. Material goods had a bonus because you could barter with it. Those gold earrings or that jade hairpin you found in the black market could be traded for a sack of grain next month so buy buy buy!

How about an office full of workers doing nothing? It started during this time. Factories and farms set up systems where one guy would watch for the boss/cadre so the workers would look productive when they walked by. Other workplaces didn't give a poo poo. Why? Because workers and farmers alike were literally starving. Doing work burned calories that were not going to be replaced. Sleeping on the job literally became essential to survival.

Does mainlanders throwing away stuff because it has a scratch instead of repairing it annoy you? Turns out you could only repair stuff at Authorised People's Service Centres. The centres were corrupt and inefficient but gently caress you, there's no way for you to fix it yourself because the party has literally confiscated everything. In one village people were mysteriously repairing their clothes because someone had hidden a sewing needle from marauding collection militias. A whole village, sharing one illegal needle.

I'm only halfway through the book but goddamn it explains so much.

Grand Fromage posted:

I rode a train today. I had a business class ticket. Business class on a Chinese high speed train (which looked like either a copy or a purchased shinkansen) turns out to be super nice and also presumably gives you access to this place, so I went in.

Imperialist Dog posted:

So I'm halfway through the book about the Great Leap Forward and I think it actually explains more about why China is the way it is more than the complete overt destruction that happened during the cultural Revolution

I think the best description of it is post-apocalyptic movies and films, perhaps taking Walking Dead as an example, except that instead of a complete breakdown of society because of zombies, you have it because of the Communist Party. The zombies are still running after you and trying to eat you, but it's because they are starving farmers.

The stories are absolutely horrendous. Grain production actually went down after the communists took over, but of course because they reported bumper harvest every year, more grain was actually taken from the already starving farmers. Farmers literally ate their houses because some of it was organic material. Food that you could get at the centralised canteen was redeemable with a ticket, which you had to stand in line for for hours. If you follow the rules and stayed in line, it would take you a whole day, and the time you got there there would be no food left. The only way that you could survive is if you pushed the small, like children, or the weak like the elderly out of the way and barge your way to the front.

Everything was fair game. Blind grandmothers were robbed of ration coupons in the street. One woman kept her coupons in a purse around her neck; at night a nephew snuck in, cut the string and took the coupons for himself. The woman died of starvation a few days later. Meanwhile, Party officials and cadres treated themselves to lavish banquets. Restaurants favoured by the Party had rice clogging their sewer system, such were the leftovers.

Due to idiot economic policies, the value of the yuan dropped. People spent money like crazy on ostentatious luxury items because your currency would lose half its value the next day and the State would freeze your bank account anyway. Material goods had a bonus because you could barter with it. Those gold earrings or that jade hairpin you found in the black market could be traded for a sack of grain next month so buy buy buy!

How about an office full of workers doing nothing? It started during this time. Factories and farms set up systems where one guy would watch for the boss/cadre so the workers would look productive when they walked by. Other workplaces didn't give a poo poo. Why? Because workers and farmers alike were literally starving. Doing work burned calories that were not going to be replaced. Sleeping on the job literally became essential to survival.

Does mainlanders throwing away stuff because it has a scratch instead of repairing it annoy you? Turns out you could only repair stuff at Authorised People's Service Centres. The centres were corrupt and inefficient but gently caress you, there's no way for you to fix it yourself because the party has literally confiscated everything. In one village people were mysteriously repairing their clothes because someone had hidden a sewing needle from marauding collection militias. A whole village, sharing one illegal needle.

I'm only halfway through the book but goddamn it explains so much.

The Great Autismo! posted:

1800-2009: interesting. this sounds like a lot of things at play here. i'd be interested to learn more about this
2010-present: this reeks of racism, orientalism and white privilege

The Great Autismo! posted:

1800-2009: interesting. this sounds like a lot of things at play here. i'd be interested to learn more about this
2010-present: this reeks of racism, orientalism and white privilege

LimburgLimbo posted:

I, too, think that people were more accepting, cosmopolitan, and inquisitive towards other cultures and races in 1800

Time Machine posted:

So after reading this thread, would I be correct in assuming that if I flew over to Beijing and started a panhandling act where I chugged ice-cold water in winter, and ate super spicy (but only to the Chinese) peppers, I would impress this simple audience because they see this as a superhuman feat, and I might actually get some decent change in my tip-jar?

LimburgLimbo posted:

I, too, think that people were more accepting, cosmopolitan, and inquisitive towards other cultures and races in 1800

Atlas Hugged posted:

If you were an alligator you could make a ton of money.

Atlas Hugged posted:

If you were an alligator you could make a ton of money.

LimburgLimbo posted:

This is us, discussing it right now. The fringe that literally breaks down into autistic screeching, is just that, a fringe, if very vocal in some mediums.

In the 1800's people were too busy coming up with psuedoscience justification for why non-whites were literally an inferior sub-species of human to have a deep conversation about culture.

The Great Autismo! posted:

but they were discussing it

LimburgLimbo posted:

Ugh guys there's literally no way to talk about culture these days because the moment you say anything negative about someone else you get shut down

*posts in 13,000 post long thread taking the piss out of Chinese culture*

Sheep-Goats posted:

I think maybe you should look at what happened to people in the first 12,000 posts of it when they brought up anything Ol Man Gene's slightly off and zero-experience-with-China mind saw as racist. And this is in an environment with almost not repercussions for what you say.

Look at Angel Opportunity. He doesn't even post in here any more because some retard got so hurt over him making parody Chinglish posts that they hunted down his info and doxxed him as well as they could to anyone they thought might hurt him for it.

Accretionist posted:

HONG KONG:



This is near Ivy Street, Tai Kok Tsui, Western Kowloon. Lots of small machine shops and metal dealers. Built on what used to be a dockyard.



The Gin Bottle is on the left there so that's Central and Admiralty.

Nucken Futz posted:

TBF, I never got Banned for typing Nong

So far

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Does nongmin even work as an insult in China?