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Zaphod42 posted:It honestly blew my mind that they made an NES verison too, and that... it even works I remember renting that back in the day and being amazed at the parallaxing floor effect. A parallaxing floor on the NES!
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falz posted:Yeah but you could get audio out if the cable itself or the component adapter with easy mods. There is also a single-step solution for $55USD but it's sold out right now. https://shop.hdretrovision.com/products/snes-component-cable?variant=20782851459
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I know it's an absolutely terrible game even by Jaguar standards, but kid me had a lot of fun with Club Drive. "RZA Encryption, you mean you had a TG16 and a Jaguar growing up?" My grandpa was district manager for a failed electronics retail chain. We had all the failed tech. This is also why I know exactly when to flip the laserdisc in Wayne's World. Ribbed for her pleasure, ewwwwww Wayne Knight fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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univbee posted:There is also a single-step solution for $55USD but it's sold out right now. YPbPr isn't RGB though is it? Wouldn't they need a SCART to BNC adapter instead?
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worthless. posted:YPbPr isn't RGB though is it? Wouldn't they need a SCART to BNC adapter instead? No it's not, but odds are good ypbpr is what they want for a Trinitron. univbee fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Don't pay $55 for a single cable, unless you're absolutely sure SNES is the only console you want RGB from http://www.ebay.com/itm/191876964053 http://www.ani-av.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=220 these have built in audio out so you don't need a breakout do not get this it's poo poo: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221156873851 e: I added some stuff in the OP clarifying between component and RGB and mentioning transcoder boxes d0s fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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d0s posted:Don't pay $55 for a single cable, unless you're absolutely sure SNES is the only console you want RGB from Do those do any scaling or does it just spit component out at the input resolution?
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Do those do any scaling or does it just spit component out at the input resolution? From the eBay item page: "This is a converter box that passively converts any 15.7KHz RGB SCART video signal into component video (plus L/R audio) compatible with any CRT SDTV or HDTV that can sync 15.7KHz video. As previously mentioned, this converter is completely passive (no upscaling), so there is absolutely no video or audio delay beyond the transit time through the pcb traces and opamps, perfect for lag free enjoyment." So no scaling. That makes it great for CRT tv's or a HDTV with decent internal scaling (good luck finding one). It is basically to get the best picture to your Trinitron. edit: that second link also says: "YUV output for SDTV 480i (13.5MHz), 480p (27MHz)" even though they mention "This product provides high resolution HDTV quality output which is able to detect the source and output for the corresponding video signal." So I assume they are saying 480p is the "high resolution HDTV quality", which worked ok for the Wii I guess... FireMrshlBill fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Yeah they don't scale. The description for the shinybow device is idiotic, but the very, uh, particular guys in places like shmups forum hardware section love the thing so I link it
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To me the Jaguar is the Mystery Science Theater 3000 of video game consoles, in that when it is bad it is amusingly bad. If I have friends over and we just want to laugh at terrible design choices we play Jaguar. It's so bad it is endearing to me. Tempest is legit good but the Saturn version is better. Don't buy a Jaguar to play games, buy a Jaguar to laugh at games. Although in the truth I do have a fondness for the Joust homebrew port for it and play that more than anything else. JAGUAR PSA: NEVER EVER EVER BUY THE JAGUAR CD. I have owned two of those devices in misguided attempts to fix them and they are NOT FIXABLE. I do not know what the thing is with those things because even after replacing the lasers they are still dead. Sold them both for what I paid for them after hours of time wasted and will never touch them again. I tried reaching out to Atari repair experts and they were like LOL JAG CD GOOD LUCK. But, there is hope. The guy on the AtariAge forums that is working on the Jaguar flashcart claims to be able to stream CD isos directly to the Jaguar without the use of the Jaguar CD, so hopefully in the future we'll be able to play HIGHLANDER THE LAST OF THE MACLEODS without needing to acquire the monkey's paw of a working Jag CD.
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I remember how pissed James Rolfe was when he did the big AVGN Jaguar special as he too went through two Jaguar CDs that ended up being dead on arrival and unfixable. But with games like Kasumi Ninja, the MST3K of consoles is a perfect description. Tempest 2000 is of course great, but they did a 3D-ish Missile Command remake too that only came out on Jaguar, was that any good? Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Neo Rasa posted:I remember how pissed James Rolfe was when he did the big AVGN Jaguar special as he too went through two Jaguar CDs that ended up being dead on arrival and unfixable. Someone actually shipped him a working one after that video, and him and Mike did a little thingie on it separate from AVGN. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fezuYstS0Q8
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The Highlander section of that video makes me laugh with the two cops from Robocop or whatever beating the red headed guy with night sticks in the woods while crickets are chirping. Its like the developers were like "eh good enough". Obviously no QA team on any of those games or testing with people who didn't make the game and going into them without blinders.
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univbee posted:Someone actually shipped him a working one after that video, and him and Mike did a little thingie on it separate from AVGN. Good times.  That Highlander game (and also Kasumi Ninja) is such a perfect intersection of everything lovely about the Jaguar. I know it wasn't cold released in an unfinished state like Club Drive and Fight for Life, but Kasumi Ninja and Highlander are just like, are you loving kidding me on every possible level.
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I say this as someone who owns two 32x's: lmao@the jaguar
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Jaguar would have been a lot more interesting as a console if it'd managed to be launched in like 1991. Also if they'd included a dedicated audio chip unlike the final design which puts the Sound processing hardware into one of the main chips and as a result means that many intensive games have to drop music in order to run acceptably. The "Panther" design originalyl targeted for release in 1991 to be followed by the Jaguar later had a dedicated audio chip in its design, incidentally.
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Atari had a long and storied history of not giving a gently caress about sound by that point though.
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I hope someday to have a Jaguar CD that works. I just can't see myself spending that kind of money on it just for the completionist in me though. Day 2 Jaguar trip report: Yeah it's pretty bland but at least I got this rad video out of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx7C8tfapoA
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Quick, make up a creepypasta back story for the video and be the next Slenderman. Or at least get to BEN DROWNED levels of popularity, milk it for all its worth!
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Turbinosamente posted:Quick, make up a creepypasta back story for the video and be the next Slenderman. Or at least get to BEN DROWNED levels of popularity, milk it for all its worth! It's so crazy! I was playing Raiden, but the blood looked really realistic. SCARILY realistic. Then the jaguar was like 'gently caress u m8' and I got scared. Help!
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Have you ever wanted a Nintendo DS Player? They exist! ...Kind of! We got our hands on Intelligent Systems' Nitro (the DS's codename) Capture unit, meant for trade shows and the like.  It's powered by a GameCube PSU, can do ad-hoc communication over the Ethernet port or with an actual wireless expansion module I don't have, has two Multi AV Out ports and a few DIP switches to configure them, and can take screen captures over USB for your magazine or web reviews. Like the real handheld it can play DS carts or GBA carts but not GC/GBC. No native RGB, like an N64 or NTSC GC, but composite and Y/C look totally fine. There are fat DS capture units but mine has a DS lite on a tether.  The AV ports are individually configurable to display either their respective screen or both screens at once:    Or of course bust out two displays and do one each   Games that depend on the touch screen are kind of pointless on here, but games that control using just buttons are really fun on the big screen. It's a cool way to enjoy that 240p GBA action without fussing with Gamecube homebrew, play the Nitro Grand Prix on your Nitro, or tool around in DQ or PS0.    
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THat's cool as hell.
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Agreed that's awesome, I don't think I've ever been this jealous of someone's piece of trade show/developer only tech. Is it even possible to adjust to using it for touch screen games in a Wacom Tablet kinda way or because there's no cursor the disconnect is too much to overcome?
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Turbinosamente posted:Is it even possible to adjust to using it for touch screen games in a Wacom Tablet kinda way or because there's no cursor the disconnect is too much to overcome? I haven't really tried but can't imagine it would be possible to get good at playing something like Ouendan or Canvas Curse without looking at where you're tapping.
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Here's something pretty great. The Gamesmen have uploaded scans of all their old mail catalogs, all the way back to 1990. https://www.gamesmen.com.au/old-catalogues Some choice bits I've found.   
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I bet play the Castlevania DS games would look amazing on that setup, especially Order of Ecclesia.
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The Skeep posted:Here's something pretty great. The Gamesmen have uploaded scans of all their old mail catalogs, all the way back to 1990. Oh fuckin' nice. Also wow their logo has barely changed. e:  Gotta love the AUD. kirbysuperstar fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Only Shallow posted:Have you ever wanted a Nintendo DS Player? They exist! ...Kind of! We got our hands on Intelligent Systems' Nitro (the DS's codename) Capture unit, meant for trade shows and the like. Those capture kits are so nifty. I really wanted to get one when the DS life cycle was over, but I wasn't able to find a way to convince anyone to let me take one home.
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i'm sympathetic to the mute jaguar doom cause i mute the music and just put metal on in modern ports. i know, sacrilege, but i feel like romero would be on my side. and carmack himself coded the jaguar one right?
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I thought the Jag port was the one that Becky Heineman had to throw together in 1 month?
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The Jaguar port was in-house, Heineman did the 3DO port. There's a good interview where Dave Taylor says he got MIDI working, but Carmack must have pulled it out from the levels because it affected performance too much.
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Cindy Shitbird posted:I thought the Jag port was the one that Becky Heineman had to throw together in 1 month? No, that's the 3DO port. The music they made for that port is the one good thing about it. Carmack was mega on-board with the Jaguar in the beginning and spearheaded the Wolf/Doom ports himself, and all the console conversions of Doom up until Xbox were derived from the Jaguar version. PaletteSwappedNinja fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:all the console conversions of Doom up until Xbox were derived from the Jaguar version. Except the SNES one which was made in a different engine altogether. Carmack really loved the Jaguar thing for some reason. Mak0rz fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Acolyte! posted:The Jaguar port was in-house, Heineman did the 3DO port. There's a good interview where Dave Taylor says he got MIDI working, but Carmack must have pulled it out from the levels because it affected performance too much. Yeah the chip in the Jaguar which would be needed to do music at the same time as sound effects, had to be mostly dedicated to rendering the 3D aspects of the game. Their options were thus to have it run like absolute poo poo with music and sound running normally, have it run fine with music and no sound effects, or have it run fine with sound effects and no music.
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Doesn't the GBA also not have a dedicated SPU? If so it's a wonder how the sound turned out as good as it did (i.e. serviceable for a nickel-sized speaker and not much else). I only learned that recently but I can't remember where.
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Mak0rz posted:Doesn't the GBA also not have a dedicated SPU? If so it's a wonder how the sound turned out as good as it did (i.e. serviceable for a nickel-sized speaker and not much else). Does it not use the old GBC z80 for that?
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It has the original GBC sound chip, and two dedicated PCM channels, but all the actual mixing and sample decoding has to be done by the CPU. Most games used awful bitrates and mixed samples to just feed the two PCM channels and ignored the rest of the sound hardware.
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FireMrshlBill posted:The Highlander section of that video makes me laugh with the two cops from Robocop or whatever beating the red headed guy with night sticks in the woods while crickets are chirping. Its like the developers were like "eh good enough". Obviously no QA team on any of those games or testing with people who didn't make the game and going into them without blinders. stop blaming QA for bad games
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TheRedEye posted:stop bless you, frank
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Only Shallow posted:Have you ever wanted a Nintendo DS Player? They exist! ...Kind of! We got our hands on Intelligent Systems' Nitro (the DS's codename) Capture unit, meant for trade shows and the like. This is incredibly cool and gently caress yes Commodore 1702 supremacy
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