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| Goku |
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202 | 7.09% |
| Vegeta |
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279 | 9.79% |
| Krillin |
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208 | 7.30% |
| Piccolo or his nameks |
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212 | 7.44% |
| Gohan or Cool Gohan |
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135 | 4.74% |
| Yamcha |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Tien |
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120 | 4.21% |
| Muten Roshi |
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89 | 3.12% |
| Tao Pai Pai |
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71 | 2.49% |
| Frieza |
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69 | 2.42% |
| Cell or an android |
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86 | 3.02% |
| Buu |
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62 | 2.18% |
| Hercule "Mark" Satan |
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327 | 11.48% |
| Videl |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Bulma |
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104 | 3.65% |
| Yajirobe |
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99 | 3.47% |
| Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy |
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68 | 2.39% |
| King kai or another kai |
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53 | 1.86% |
| Chi-Chi |
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83 | 2.91% |
| Goten |
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43 | 1.51% |
| Trunks or Cool Trunks |
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112 | 3.93% |
| Bardock |
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48 | 1.68% |
| Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!) |
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41 | 1.44% |
| Uub |
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42 | 1.47% |
| Oolong |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Zamasu |
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26 | 0.91% |
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the same reason he didn't go all out against [insert everyone goku has ever fought] right away he wanted a better fight
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Mar 19, 2017 21:13
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the only guy he ever held back on in z was ginyu.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:18
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Stairmaster posted:the only guy he ever held back on in z was ginyu. Looks at Majin Vegeta
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Mar 19, 2017 21:20
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hell, you can go all the way to the beginning with nappa as well
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Mar 19, 2017 21:22
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Or Krillin in the 22nd tournament, or Tien in the 23rd
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Mar 19, 2017 21:24
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The bigger question is why Toppo was at all surprised when he pulled out Blue. Was he not watching the last fight at all?
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Mar 19, 2017 21:36
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Momomo posted:The bigger question is why Toppo was at all surprised when he pulled out Blue. Was he not watching the last fight at all? maybe he didn''t expect it to be that strong
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Mar 19, 2017 21:41
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Aurora posted:Looks at Majin Vegeta No regrets.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:48
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Jedah posted:I walked home from middle school prom and downloaded RealPlayer clips of Majin Vegeta vs. Goku over a 56k modem.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:00
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Momomo posted:The bigger question is why Toppo was at all surprised when he pulled out Blue. Was he not watching the last fight at all? Probably the difference in power. Went from being utterly defenseless to edging him out. Also, they may not be able to sense one another's strength, given U7 can't sense U9.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:02
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Goku very rarely goes all out. Even when he uses his highest level form that doesn't mean he's going all-in on it.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:03
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Adder Moray posted:Probably the difference in power. Went from being utterly defenseless to edging him out. Also, they may not be able to sense one another's strength, given U7 can't sense U9. you can't sense god ki if you don't have it either iirc
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Mar 19, 2017 22:05
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PMush Perfect posted:Don't forget playing the terrible DBZ Gameboy Advance games on the bus. Only the first one is bad
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Mar 19, 2017 22:10
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were those the rpgs I traded a harvest moon game for the second one in middle school and I liked it
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Mar 19, 2017 22:10
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Aurora posted:Looks at Majin Vegeta we both know exactly why thats an exception
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Mar 19, 2017 22:11
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PMush Perfect posted:Don't forget playing the terrible DBZ Gameboy Advance games on the bus.  Also making lovely angelfire webpages and spamming them full of GIFs like this:  
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Mar 19, 2017 22:16
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Stairmaster posted:we both know exactly why thats an exception It's not an exception though. Goku doesn't go Kaiokenx10 against every single person he fights prior to SS, is out of commission for 90% of the time after he gets get SS, and doesn't instantly jump to SS2/3 after he gets those. He very rarely goes crazy all-out on people.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:20
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this is a stupid question and i figure the answer's really stupid too: how many times kaioken would goku need to go in base form to reach the same strength level as ssj blue?
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Mar 19, 2017 22:27
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Kelp Plankton posted:this is a stupid question and i figure the answer's really stupid too: how many times kaioken would goku need to go in base form to reach the same strength level as ssj blue? Considering that Super Saiyan is apparently like x50 or x100 the answer is "so high Goku's body instantly explodes."
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Mar 19, 2017 22:36
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Kelp Plankton posted:this is a stupid question and i figure the answer's really stupid too: how many times kaioken would goku need to go in base form to reach the same strength level as ssj blue? No clue. If lore is correct, he'd only have to go X50 to reach SSJ. So likely something in the X1000 range. The problem is that it'd kill him on the spot. X20 was the highest he could go and that was only for A Kamehameha
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Mar 19, 2017 22:38
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is that still true? ssb made him stronger in base form, so he'd probably be able to go past x20 now yea?
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Mar 19, 2017 22:40
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Manatee Cannon posted:is that still true? ssb made him stronger in base form, so he'd probably be able to go past x20 now yea? If he can, he's holding back still. We know for a fact he's still holding back- highest he's gone is SSJB Kaioken X 10 against Hit. With Zams and the Puppers he only went normal KaioKen and it looked like he was doing the same against Toppo
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Mar 19, 2017 22:43
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Aurora posted:Only the first one is bad I wasn't a fan of the other Legacy of Goku games either, but either way, the GBA also had Supersonic Warriors (definitely good) and Taiketsu which is... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CNf7YxLqA Kelp Plankton posted:this is a stupid question and i figure the answer's really stupid too: how many times kaioken would goku need to go in base form to reach the same strength level as ssj blue? That edges dangerously close to power levels for my taste. It's also impossible to say since we never got a multiplier for Super Saiyan Blue and we don't know how things work with Goku and Vegeta as Saiyans Beyond God. Ignoring that last aspect, though, and taking games as canon, we can assume that it'd have to be higher than x500, because... 1) Dragon Ball Z: Scouter Battle Taikan Kamehameha puts Super Saiyan 4 as ten times stronger than the regular Super Saiyan (based, most likely, on Goku's x10 Kamehameha) which itself is a x50 on the base form. 2) Every videogame that has both Super Saiyan 4 and Super Saiyan Blue (Extreme Butoden, Xenoverse, Fusions) puts the latter as stronger than the former. Thus, we can assume that a Kaio-ken x500 would still not be enough for Goku to reach Blue levels since it would be "only" as strong as Super Saiyan 4, but we have no idea what the actual multiplier would be for Blue if power levels mattered. Which they don't.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:44
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I wish they made a sequel to Supersonic Warriors 2. And Attack of the Saiyans for that matter.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:08
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I wish they made a sequel to Supersonic Warriors 2. We did get Supersonic Warriors 3. It's called Extreme Butoden, and from all I've seen and heard, it's terrible. It was then turned into a One Piece game that looks even worse.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:29
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There's actually a DS RPG that's sort of like how Attack of the Saiyans was, it looked neat.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:31
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JUST FYI, according to official info SSJ1 = 50x base power SSJ2 = 2x SSJ1, or 100x base power SSJ3 = 4x SSJ2, or 8x SSJ1, or 400x base power To my knowledge, there are no actual figures given for SSJ4, or for either of the saiyan God forms (red and blue). One could maybe rationalise SSJ4 as 10X (due to naming of Kamehameha) multiplier on SSJ1 which would make it 500x base, and not a big boost over SSJ3 (25% boost) or as 10x on SSJ3, which would make it 4000x base...
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Mar 20, 2017 00:25
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Dragon Ball Math kids learning game when
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Mar 20, 2017 00:40
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SSj1 doesn't really feel like its really a 50X multiplier any more.
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Mar 20, 2017 01:19
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Rutibex posted:SSj1 doesn't really feel like its really a 50X multiplier any more.  Powerlevel talk aside, making SSJ1 x50 right of the bat is probably something they wouldn't have done in retrospect. It's a hilariously large jump from Base to 1 considering the later stuff. Even x10 would have been fine storywise and make later powerlevels less extreme.
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Mar 20, 2017 01:24
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Blaze Dragon posted:We did get Supersonic Warriors 3. It's called Extreme Butoden, and from all I've seen and heard, it's terrible. Extreme Burden was actually good and made by the same people that made Guilty Gear. Problem is they couldn't add more characters. The ones they did get to add were great.
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Mar 20, 2017 01:26
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Shibby0709 posted:Am I the only one who thinks that Goku knows something that the audience doesn't know? I think his blasé attitude about the death and destruction of trillions may be because his good friend(s) Zeno let him in on a little secret or two. I don't think he's been given any secret information we haven't, but I wouldn't be too surprised to find out that Zeno is just playing, and Goku is the only one childish enough to realize it and play along. I also wouldn't be too surprised if this whole thing was played straight.
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Mar 20, 2017 01:26
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These are some sick mental gymnastics about the dude who literally already destroyed one universe
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Mar 20, 2017 01:27
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Zedd posted:
x10 would've been an issue because Goku already reached that with Kaio-ken. It had to forcefully be above x20, the highest Kaio-ken Goku used. The numbers don't matter anyways, everyone's as strong as a particular scene needs them to be.
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Mar 20, 2017 01:29
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It's weird because Kaioken is already a multiplier so saying it's x20 his base doesn't really make sense either
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Mar 20, 2017 01:31
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Aurora posted:These are some sick mental gymnastics about the dude who literally already destroyed one universe Yeah, has everyone forgotten that Future Trunks' universe literally doesn't exist anymore?
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Mar 20, 2017 01:40
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it exists in my heart rip that cat
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Mar 20, 2017 01:43
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I wouldn't be surprised if Goku convinced Zeno to spare the universes because otherwise there wouldn't be as many cool fights. Basically if there is anyone Goku understands, it is a literal child.
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Mar 20, 2017 02:03
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this is as best as i have figured it out, but dragonball z and super do an astonishingly poor job of explaining anything ever: assume there is a unit that can be measured in some sense as "strength" or is otherwise power level ki is not power level (either regular or god) but contributes towards it or constitutes it regular ki CAN compete with god ki. but regular ki is of a much lower "quality" so to do so, you'll need a TON more of it. over a given length of time its reasonable to assume that one can achieve this but i think its a big part of why all the guys that are competing w/ god form goku and vegeta now also happen to be either gods or ludicrous amounts of years old (hit, im assuming toppo). i assume we'll also get ultra-prodigys soon which we haven't really had too much of (cabba, jeran will like be one) ssj forms are quickshot drugs that burn through regular ki quickly. regular ssj is fairly mastered for both goku and vegeta and isn't terribly draining on them, but we know ssj3 at least never gets close to being mastered and is essentially a terrible form. the drug boosts them up fast but by the first punches thrown they're already fairly worn out. the reason whis focuses on them training in their base form as opposed to higher and higher SSJ forms is cuz he recognizes this and that getting more power level in this form, to be augmented by god ki utilization, is far more beneficial. in thsi sense SSJ/2/3 are not precursors to SSJB but on a completely different tree. so when goku and vegeta eventually learn this form they retain a lot of that quality in their base - the SSJ forms are essentially for them loving around at this point. there is also the point made that blue is a similar "drug" but at least its way better than the gold ones, because the level of control is way loving better and from what i can tell the quality of ki is better. so all of this is to say that a few units of god ki are worth a TON of regular ki when it comes to power level. SSJ only augments regular so it's fairly pointless and there are downsides that are acknowledged. god ki is far better. this is also why, i think, some gods are fairly strong despite never being shown to train. we know shin is like, SSJ level but have never seen him once training. his tiny bit of god ki is important in this sense. and zamasu, who did train a little bit, god really drat strong! but he never really fought any battles (which we know are worth a ton more than training alone) so he was fairly stunted despite having ages to get there. if he trained like gok and vegeta he'd probably be insane by that point
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Mar 20, 2017 02:13
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Yeah, I figure the typical Super Sayian forms are one tree using regular ki, and the God forms are another tree using god Ki. Then you bring in something like Trunks' Super Saiyan Rage which was on his normal Super Saiyan tree but with added God Ki so he's way stronger. Or something.
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