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I've just started this show, I was hoping Danny Rand wouldn't be another boring as poo poo I'm stoic and damaged and just want to do the right thing character like every other Defender but I'm so far disappointed. Can't wait to see what sparks fly when you put these guys together!
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Rougey posted:Finished it earlier I would have loved a Daredevil cameo when they were investigating the shipping containers. Murdoch comes in fucks everyone up and Danny is all "what the gently caress?"
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Mar 19, 2017 20:17
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I've trained all my life to destroy the hand. Oh no let's not kill the hand, they're people.
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Mar 19, 2017 20:22
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uPen posted:I've trained all my life to destroy the hand. "I'm a weapon!" "You're a weapon!" "I'm not a weapon!" edit: VVV trailer park meth operations have better security. And more scale, for that matter. How big could Gao's operation be if that was an important enough installation for her to visit personally. As Nero Danced fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Mar 19, 2017 20:40
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Probably not a good idea to guard your top secret heroin factory with swords.
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Mar 19, 2017 20:42
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The Bushido code has taught me to never kill anyone with this sword that was designed to kill people.
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Mar 19, 2017 20:46
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If you kill someone with your Iron Fist you will damage your chi which allows you to become the Iron Fist who exists to kill certain people.
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Mar 19, 2017 20:47
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Honestly, my only complaint with the shows after Daredevil Season 1 is the hallway fight scenes. They blew their load with the very first one, and they've never come close to it again. And I don't think they ever will. Also, the actor for Harold was VERY good at being a creepy bad guy! I don't think Bakuto was right about cutting off his head being the only way to kill him. I think fire was the only way. Also, Bakuto's actor was VERY good at being a calm, rational, evil dude. Gordong Dongbay posted:Probably not a good idea to guard your top secret heroin factory with swords. Ah! But you're forgetting they're Poisoned swords! Poisoned with a special Poison that, when used on any weapon that's NOT a sword, instantly kills someone, but when used on a sword, it takes a couple days!.
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Mar 19, 2017 20:50
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Finished it. I thought it was a good, fun show, just not up to the standards of the other Marvel Netflix shows. Though it never got as bad as the worst parts of Daredevil s2, it didn't get as good as the best parts either. The fights were merely ok, which is pretty disappointing for a martial arts focused character. I found Danny a pretty likeable lead, you just need to view him as a well meaning idiot child. I like the idea of him being this legendary chosen one who has screwed it all up because he's a moron. Colleen Wing is awesome, and Ward's actor does a fantastic job. David Wenham is also excellent. Joy and Davos' heel turn felt a bit unearned, but on the whole the plot was very engaging. They managed to completely turn the Hand around from dull as dishwater Ninjas in Daredevil to some pretty entertaining villains in Iron Fist. They actually have personalities! Making them an illuminati like cult is a much better choice than a small horde of faceless Ninjas. The drunken boxer was definitely a highlight. If this gets a second season they need more of that sort of thing. And for Finn Jones to train until he's good enough at fake fighting to do it justice.
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Mar 19, 2017 20:50
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marktheando posted:Joy and Davos' heel turn felt a bit unearned Actually, Davos' was telegraphed when he was talking to Claire. He feels that he was supposed to be the Iron Fist, that Danny stole it from him, and never even should have had he chance to become the Iron Fist.
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Mar 19, 2017 20:54
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Say what you want about the show but the drunken master was awesome.
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Mar 19, 2017 20:56
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Ramadu posted:why should they change the character to make him asian? thats pretty weird to want Because now the Defenders has two white ninjutsu punchmen who fight the Hand. Except the one who's actually less good at it is going to have to be the more authoritative one on all matters Magic Asia. At least if the character was Asian, it'd cut down how politically weird that is. Feel less like a kid coming back from a gap year. Maybe such an actor could speak Mandarin for scenes where he has to do this. (Apparently Finn Jones' Chinese is gibberish, per a friend of mine. Interestingly, although D'onofrio's Chinese isn't great, he was saying actual words.)
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Mar 19, 2017 21:05
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Gordong Dongbay posted:Say what you want about the show but the drunken master was awesome. He should have been part of the gauntlet and not the one line of defense for a heroin factory
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Mar 19, 2017 21:11
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Nevermind that he's not Asian in the comics, where the Defenders has two white ninjutsu punchmen who fight the Hand.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:16
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Kheldarn posted:Nevermind that he's not Asian in the comics, where the Defenders has two white ninjutsu punchmen who fight the Hand. His race in the comics does not matter at all in any real way.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Episode 11 scene: It's like the distilled encapsulation of what's wrong with the show. I couldn't help but actually ask the goddamn screen "Are you making GBS threads me?" at that point. The whole thing is taking an ok, if very well worn, idea and executing the idea horribly. Post series spoilers Danny Rand sucks at fighting, doesn't even look like he can fight, and despite several decent ideas of what to do with the character that they bring up, they just paint by numbers like a 5 year old.
The Meachums are actually the best part of the show. Their entire story line has actual character arcs and payoff. Plus [spoiler]zombie Harold roaming the streets of New York was hilarious. Then at the end Joy just jumps on board the Kill Danny Rand train with no explanation. She just turned her back on her loving father for setting up Danny to go to prison. Then the next scene we see her she's conspiring with Davos to kill Danny. Guess that was a very convincing cup of coffee that Davos bought her. Claire is infuriating in this show and I wish she just never showed up. No, your high horse about anyone other than yourself using violence is the worst and doesn't even make any sense. Especially when the two people you had the real passionate speeches about not killing are literal immortals who can't be reasoned with and are actively killing others while trying to also kill/enslave/use you. Maybe take a moment and think about the fact that your claw weapon attacks and setting a goddamned propane tank on fire in the middle of a New York street are also violence. On the plus side The Hand as a somewhat loose confederation of different factions with their own styles is an interesting idea. Nobu's hand is the classic ninjas, but they kind of sucked by the end of Daredevil. Gao's criminal empire Hand and Bokoto's infiltrating cult Hand were both interesting ideas, and their long reach was a much better "vast, unending, opponent" version than Nobu's classic ninjas. Especially the scenes where we see both Gao and Bokuto have essential sleeper cells that get called up. Now if they could just get away from inexplicably using medieval weaponry and poo poo whenever guns would be inconvenient to the plot. #DavosWasRight
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Mar 19, 2017 21:21
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This is a show where someone says "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" like it is a deep and meaningful counterpoint in an argument.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:24
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"Ghandi wouldn't like that." Next episode "IF YOU TOUCH MY MOTHER....." Right.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:25
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Kheldarn posted:Actually, Davos' was telegraphed when he was talking to Claire. He feels that he was supposed to be the Iron Fist, that Danny stole it from him, and never even should have had he chance to become the Iron Fist. Davos was actually fairly well done. His resentment of Danny came from multiple angles, almost all of them justified. Jealousy of Danny getting the Iron Fist is near the bottom of the list of things that he's pissed about. Abandoning his post, abandoning his adopted family, turning his back on his training and teaching, apparently K'un-Lun got attacked by the Hand. Edit:Also Davos actually looked like he could fight. I wonder if Shou-Lao the Undying just was incapacitated with laughter at Danny's incompetence, falling on top of Danny, which accidentally passed Danny in the Iron Fist final exam. Gyges fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Mar 19, 2017 21:27
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Kheldarn posted:Actually, Davos' was telegraphed when he was talking to Claire. He feels that he was supposed to be the Iron Fist, that Danny stole it from him, and never even should have had he chance to become the Iron Fist. I get that, but it still felt kind of abrupt. Joy's just makes no sense because the last time we saw her she's cut her father out of her life for framing Danny.
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Arist posted:His race in the comics does not matter at all in any real way. Yeah, I wouldn't defer to what was canon in Marvel comics from the 70's. I doubt 99% of the audience has read them.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:31
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Arist posted:I get that, but it still felt kind of abrupt. Joy's just makes no sense because the last time we saw her she's cut her father out of her life for framing Danny. Davos is reasonable Danny just bared his Iron Fist at Davos and turned his back on K'un-Lun for a member of the Hand. Joy absolutely makes no sense though. At least have a scene where she monologues about wrongfully blaming Danny for her zombie dad's death or something first.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:34
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Would you guys eat ice cream for breakfast and lunch if you found out you could live forever?
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Mar 19, 2017 21:37
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Gyges posted:Davos is reasonable Danny just bared his Iron Fist at Davos and turned his back on K'un-Lun for a member of the Hand. Joy absolutely makes no sense though. At least have a scene where she monologues about wrongfully blaming Danny for her zombie dad's death or something first. It's so glaring that it makes me think part of it was something they legitimately forgot to fix between drafts of the script. Joy could have not found out Danny was framed (or even better, not cared), left on good terms with her father, and then had motivation for the later scene.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:39
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Gordong Dongbay posted:Would you guys eat ice cream for breakfast and lunch if you found out you could live forever? Is it vanilla ice cream?
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Gyges posted:Is it vanilla ice cream? you son of a bitch
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The last scene was so badly handled, setting aside how they were climbing the Himalayas while dressed for a brisk Autumn morning, the reveal of the gate was so underwhelming. Was K'un Lun burned to the ground? Did the gate close? I couldn't tell what I was seeing or not seeing because they never let me know what it was supposed to look like. All I saw was a big brown rockface at behind the gate. Also that Chinese footage didn't make sense once we saw the gate. Why was the old Iron Fist fighting them in a forest, did they get through the gate, or did he head down the mountain to a lower path? As Nero Danced fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Gyges posted:Edit:Also Davos actually looked like he could fight. I wonder if Shou-Lao the Undying just was incapacitated with laughter at Danny's incompetence, falling on top of Danny, which accidentally passed Danny in the Iron Fist final exam. It would make more sense if Danny lucked into the iron fist back when he first arrived in Chinese heaven. That would explain why his training seems to solely consist of six monks with sticks continuously beating him up. For 15 years.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:51
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Gyges posted:Is it vanilla ice cream? Shut up and die.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:55
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Vanilla ice cream is actually good.
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The best part has been every fight scene reminded me of a vastly superior action sequence from another show. So far I've rewatched chunks of Banshee, Arrow, and Nikita. Anyone else have some good suggestions?
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Episode 2 should have been episode 1. START with Danny in the psychiatric ward, reveal who he is and how he got there through the interview mechanism. End with him punching out the wall. Instead episode 1 is boring as poo poo with danny running around saying "hey I'm danny" but never bothering to mention any priviliged information that would prove it. It introduces Al who could have been developed into an interesting character but gets killed off in the same episode. Then it recaps everything that happened in that episode in episode 2 anyway. Then it ends with him passing out. DD season 1s first episode ended with a kickass fight scene and then episode 2 ended with the hallway fight
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henkman posted:I always think the "we can't kill the bad guys" dilemma that these shows do is stupid, so I'm glad the punisher is around and getting his own show
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Mar 19, 2017 22:30
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The last episode of Arrow had a better fight than any of Danny's.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:49
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Narcissus1916 posted:The best part has been every fight scene reminded me of a vastly superior action sequence from another show. Someone recommended me "Into the Badlands" after I complained about Iron Fist. Just watched the first episode and goddamn it's got some nice fights.
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Narcissus1916 posted:The best part has been every fight scene reminded me of a vastly superior action sequence from another show. Into the Badlands has pretty good choreography. Second season comes back on today I think.
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Let's not kill anybody let's just instigate a gang war so that a bunch of people all kill each other We are very moral characters with strong chi and bushido.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:50
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How did Danny perm and frost his hair in the monastery?
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Joy Chat: Colossal daddy issues explain her decision making.
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I'm watching the first episode of Iron Fist and just watched a really bizarre scene where a teenager acts like he's five years old. This is a weird show.
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