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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Tatoooine is a giant blindspot for Vader and there's the part of Jedi where Palpatine doesn't realize Luke is on the forest moon. I'm pretty sure Palpatine realized Luke would end up on the Moon at some point since he was keeping Vader nearby anyway.
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Just saw the episode with them sneaking through the nebula. Goddamn if the shot of those Star Destroyers cooking wasn't gorgeous as hell  .
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You know, I keep going back to Twins Suns, and I find more new things to mention. For those who may have just watched it once, I think it's defiantively a layered, need to rewatch if multiple times to get the full intent of the story behind it. But now let's talk about why Kenobi repeatedly saying to Ezra that. "Your destiny is not here Ezra, your destiny and your future lies with your friends and the Rebellkon. This wasn't Kenobi pulling a certain point of a view in any shape or form. He was actively trying to make Ezra understand that his purpose lies with the Rebels, and that he need to let go this obsession to destroy the Sith. It's a very different Kenobi in my opinion, because it's obvious right from start that Kenobi KNOWS something more about Ezra's future then he's not telling. Maybe Yoda gave him a call, or the Force gave him an update. Who knows. Either way, the fact that he refused to allow Ezra to help fight Maul, that he told Ezra he needed to.go "back home." It's clear that if you read between the lines Kenobi wasn't willing to risk Maul killing Ezra in a three way fight like that, not just because Ezra is obiviously a good person, but because Kenobi knows the score on Ezra. He all but says that Maul's action by luring Ezra here have started to screw up whatever divine plan the Force has for him. But he's not hiding the facts behind his usual bullshit. He's telling Ezra the truth Ezra couldn't accept, that he can't help to destroy the Sith. But Ezra has finally gone home. And Maul won't be able to pull back into the dark anymore. But it still makes curious. What will be Ezra's ultimate purpose in the galaxy. Because whatever it is, Kenobi is being as quiet about it as he is about Luke.
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Mar 19, 2017 15:13
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This is going to be your college dissertation, isn't it? Or like that website setup with a full breakdown of the West Wing episode 17 People, maps of the building and all.
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Mar 19, 2017 16:30
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thrawn527 posted:This is going to be your college dissertation, isn't it? Or like that website setup with a full breakdown of the West Wing episode 17 People, maps of the building and all. Wait, what? Why would they do that? I remember that episode, it was good but nothing special.
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Mar 19, 2017 16:48
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Tatoooine is a giant blindspot for Vader and there's the part of Jedi where Palpatine doesn't realize Luke is on the forest moon. Palp knows it. He's just playing a great many things close to the chest.
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Mar 19, 2017 17:20
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Moon Slayer posted:Wait, what? Why would they do that? I remember that episode, it was good but nothing special. No idea. I think he just wanted to write a "thing", so he picked this. It's actually rather interesting, if odd in concept. http://seventeenpeople.com
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Mar 19, 2017 17:31
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Background Luke bothered me more than the brief fight and focus on Ezra. Show the moisture farm, look up to the suns, and fade to black. Everyone knows what's in that house. Dave actually talked about that in an interview. quote:Filoni explained his decision to show Luke Skywalker wasn’t just for long-time Star Wars fans, but primarily for the new ones:
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If you're okay with everybody taking a one episode detour to Tatooine for a big showdown with old man Maul, I don't really see why a stick figure Luke seen from 2 miles away is what tips it into indulgence.
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Just wanted to chime in and say I loved the Twin Suns duel the first go round but after watching Rebels Recon and seeing they put Obi-Wan doing Qui-Gon's stance and Maul again attempting to do his fatal move and getting owned for it was just an amazing thing. I love the attention to detail they're putting out there, even if only a fraction of the viewership gets it.
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I think that's what I really love about this show. They do a pretty great job of making a show for newer fans while peppering in the stuff for die-hard, long-time, overly analytical mega-nerds like me/us.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:He's asking if Obi-Wan is protecting the Chosen One, the one who will bring balance ot the force (and thus destroy his former master who ruined his and Obi-wan's lives and by doing so, avenge them). I realize Obi-Wan may believe this, but Vader did bring balance to the Force. Prior to him falling, there were a whole lot of Jedi, but only two Sith. Afterwards, there are only ever 2 of either until the end of ROTJ. But, even if "balance" is intended to mean "get rid of the darkness", it's Anakin who comes back from the darkness and kills Palpatine. Luke was just a catalyst.
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Colonial Air Force posted:I realize Obi-Wan may believe this, but Vader did bring balance to the Force. Luke was the reason. Vader was the means. Because of Luke, balance was brought to the Force. It works either way, really, because obviously without Vader there's no balance either. It's just that, Vader, in a galaxy where Luke and Leia died along with Padme, does jack poo poo about bringing balance. Luke is the key. e: Oh, and officially, yes, balance is not a numbers game, because Jedi (are supposed to) represent balance, and the Sith represent chaos and darkness. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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After all the acrobatic helicopter lightsaber fights (which, don't get me wrong, I do enjoy), it was real drat refreshing to see an honest-to-god classic samurai cinema duel that's over in two moves.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:After all the acrobatic helicopter lightsaber fights (which, don't get me wrong, I do enjoy), it was real drat refreshing to see an honest-to-god classic samurai cinema duel that's over in two moves. Yup, just came to post this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NNaj5YUxco The reaction shots are the fans General Dog fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Mar 20, 2017 02:18
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What a goddamn perfect ending to that rivalry. Anyone who hates it - anyone - is wrong.
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This is the first time I enjoy a lightsaber duel again ever since I watched the OT. I honestly didn't think it was possible anymore. To think this show of all places would get the "copy kurosawa, not star wars" point of lightsaber duels. Thwomp posted:Just wanted to chime in and say I loved the Twin Suns duel the first go round but after watching Rebels Recon and seeing they put Obi-Wan doing Qui-Gon's stance and Maul again attempting to do his fatal move and getting owned for it was just an amazing thing. I love the attention to detail they're putting out there, even if only a fraction of the viewership gets it. I always thought Obi-Wan was the most effective character of the series in general and I was glad to see it preserved in their duel. Not smartest, not strongest, just the most effective. In the books there is a huge emphasis on the fact that Obi-Wan just lets the Force control him most of the time. It's like the only one that realizes that the Force is a huge plot armor and there's no reason to let your ego get in the way.
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That ending got the key to the best action sequences; it's not enough to just have flashy spectacle, you need to tell a STORY with the fight. The echo of Qui-Gon's fight with Maul with a very different ending just says so drat much about both characters. One so stuck in the past he mindlessly copies what he did in his long ago prime (so sure he hadn't changed or needed to change), the other who let go of the past able to avoid repeating it. The fight tells so much about the two characters; of COURSE Maul gets his rear end kicked, he's in a wildly different mental place than Kenobi, who serenely destroys him with a series of blows that look practically like a simple kata while Maul is flailing around like the younger vicious thug he no longer is. Also, for not having Alec Guiness, they did a spooky good job channeling ANH Obi-Wan into this episode. Honestly the show's been surprising me with how well it's done the job of linking characters like Tarkin, Vader, and now Kenobi with the new stuff while still respecting the original portrayals. I can look at them and say "yes, if you dropped that OT character in this situation this feels like how they should react".
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Baron Fuzzlewhack posted:I think that's what I really love about this show. They do a pretty great job of making a show for newer fans while peppering in the stuff for die-hard, long-time, overly analytical mega-nerds like me/us. I loved the fact that Obi-Wan talked about "old wounds". http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Wounds
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So what's everybody's favorite episode of Rebels that doesn't heavily feature a member of the OT cast or a Clone Wars character? I think the Zeb/Kallus bottle episode is pretty good, other than that I'm drawing a blank General Dog fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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General Dog posted:So what's everybody's favorite episode of Rebels that doesn't heavily feature a member of the OT cast or a Clone Wars character? That's kinda tough, since many eps are filled with OT or CW characters. I tend to enjoy all the episodes. From my certain point of view, nearly all of them are entertaining and well put together.
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General Dog posted:Yup, just came to post this The dialogue immediately after that is apropos as well. "That was badassss!" "Shut up nerds!"
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General Dog posted:Yup, just came to post this If they ever make that Obi-Wan film, I hope it's just two hours of Ewan Mcgregor channeling the ghosts of Toshiro Mifune and Shintaro Katsu while trying to drink in peace at the cantina.
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Standout episodes focusing on characters created for Rebels include Rise of the Old Masters, Fire Across the Galaxy, Legends of the Lasat. The longer I sit with Twin Suns, the more I like it, and not just for the samurai duel (side note: the fact that almost everybody here appreciates the duel makes me like this thread even more). Filoni is an outstanding director and he even makes the boilerplate "ship arriving at a planet" scenes look great.
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DancinBrud posted:Standout episodes focusing on characters created for Rebels include Rise of the Old Masters, Fire Across the Galaxy, Legends of the Lasat. I particularly like that Phoenix Squadron now owns a Sith Infiltrator.
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mllaneza posted:I particularly like that Phoenix Squadron now owns a Sith Infiltrator. Trap sprung and all, but that's not the infiltrator we saw in Ep I. That's a modified Kom'rk fighter.
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I think it's a Mandalorian fighter, dating back to Maul's time running Deathwatch.
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So, Maul is, essentially, a well-spoken thug who failed at everything he tried then died in the middle of nowhere with only his rival, who had far surpassed him in every category, to comfort him in his final moments? drat, Filoni, his writing staff, and Sam Witwer did an amazing job turning Darth Maul from a villain with only two lines into one of my favorite EU villains of nucanon.
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Yeah, if someone had told me in 1999 that two cartoon series would make Darth loving Maul a compelling character I'd have laughed in their face.
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To be fair, he did create a vast criminal syndicate on a whim one day before lunch. It's just that his old boss couldn't stand to see him succeed.
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DancinBrud posted:To be fair, he did create a vast criminal syndicate on a whim one day before lunch. It's just that his old boss couldn't stand to see him succeed. Getting crushed by a competitor is a form of failing.
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Covok posted:So, Maul is, essentially, a well-spoken thug who failed at everything he tried then died in the middle of nowhere with only his rival, who had far surpassed him in every category, to comfort him in his final moments? That's the sick joke that is Maul and the punchline was this episode. He let the Dathomir witches do existentially terrifying things to him, then became a sith-lord's apprentice, then stapled on a new pair of legs after getting cut in half, then took over a crime syndicate, then took over Mandalore and then finally dedicated the rest of his life to a meaningless quest for vengeance against people who barely remembered him because he wanted his life to matter. But that's just it, he never mattered. He was Obi Wan's tutorial level boss and he never rose above that station at any point in his life. His failure to recognize that is why he died alone in a desert after a fight that lasted less than five seconds.
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Kinda poetic how the pursuit and usage of the Dark Side proclaims to "break your chains," and yet you become a slave to the constant thirst for power, revenge, hate, fear, etc. Pottery.
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Needed a bit where Obi-Wan goes back to his hut and puts Maul's lightsaber in his toolbox alongside Anakin's.
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Is one of Maul's crystals one that Luke picked up from Obi Wan's hut for him to make his green lightsaber? 
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I liked Clone Wars Obi-Wan but the chilled out Zen master OT Kenobi is far superior and they loving nailed it. That duel really is perfect. I dunno if Maul is necessarily redeemed but it certainly looked like he managed to let go of his hate at the end. He's still viewing the prophecy of the chosen one through a lens of vengeance but it's not only for him anymore. Edit: Does Maul get to be one with the force or is he stuck in the dark sider disembodied twilight hell that the Sith are so scared of? bij fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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DarklyDreaming posted:He let the Dathomir witches do existentially terrifying things to him Covok posted:drat, Filoni, his writing staff, and Sam Witwer did an amazing job turning Darth Maul from a villain with only two lines into one of my favorite EU villains of nucanon. Potential BFF posted:Edit: Does Maul get to be one with the force or is he stuck in the dark sider disembodied twilight hell that the Sith are so scared of? But in an interview I think Filoni mentioned that part of Obi-Wan's sadness at the end is that Maul's final words, although filled with hope, also showed that Maul never managed to outgrow his suffering and would die with it, so I'm not sure what it means for where he ends up.
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Icon Of Sin posted:Is one of Maul's crystals one that Luke picked up from Obi Wan's hut for him to make his green lightsaber? Sith create their saber crystals by meditating (while in a furnace) all of their rage into a physical manifestation that they shape into a crystal. At least, that's how Maul explains it in Shadow Hunter which was a prequel book that takes place a few days before Episode1. It took him a few days to create his crystals.
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Covok posted:So, Maul is, essentially, a well-spoken thug who failed at everything he tried then died in the middle of nowhere with only his rival, who had far surpassed him in every category, to comfort him in his final moments? Yeah, I was perfectly fine with him being dead in Episode 1. I thought it was dumb to bring him back in some comic I didn't read. I also didn't think they needed have him in Clone Wars, but it wasn't terrible and I eventually accepted it. I wasn't the biggest fan of the show, but I recognized that it was mostly a good show and the people making it really cared about what they were doing. In Rebels I absolutely loved his character from the beginning. They did an amazing job developing one of the most two dimensional characters and turning him into someone I felt sorry for in the end.
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SyRauk posted:Sith create their saber crystals by meditating (while in a furnace) all of their rage into a physical manifestation that they shape into a crystal. At least, that's how Maul explains it in Shadow Hunter which was a prequel book that takes place a few days before Episode1. It took him a few days to create his crystals. Is this canon? Because haha.
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