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tekz posted:gently caress the Democratic party: https://theintercept.com/2016/05/03/single-payer-dems-colo/ For fucks goddamn sake and people will still defend the Right Wing of the Dems to their death. No wonder Left Wing action has no traction in America it get's attacked by the very people who in theory should be for it. gently caress the donor class and the consultants they're all parasites
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KomradeX posted:For fucks goddamn sake and people will still defend the Right Wing of the Dems to their death. No wonder Left Wing action has no traction in America it get's attacked by the very people who in theory should be for it. gently caress the donor class and the consultants they're all parasites 
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Mar 20, 2017 08:21
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Kilroy posted:Have you considered that perhaps the reason Colorado for Coloradans was able to torpedo the single payer initiative there, is that leftists in Colorado didn't fight hard enough? Obviously Left Wing ideas have no traction, there's no money it. We can't expect Democrat to support policies that won't make them or the donor class rich. That's just crazy talk
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Mar 20, 2017 08:36
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Bernie couldn't come close to beating Hillary, and Hillary lost to Trump. By what logic could you see that working well at all? There’s no point in defending a primary system that does not reflect the voting map of national elections.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:There’s no point in defending a primary system that does not reflect the voting map of national elections. And how would that system look?
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Mar 20, 2017 11:04
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tekz posted:gently caress the Democratic party: https://theintercept.com/2016/05/03/single-payer-dems-colo/ It's poo poo like this that makes me glad Sanders is an independent and not a leech with a D next to his name
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Mar 20, 2017 11:34
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The Democrats can't win with just their own base. Let people outside the party have a say on who gets elected. The piss poor voter turnout during the primary was the first real sign of trouble for the Democrats.
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Mar 20, 2017 11:34
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:The Democrats can't win with just their own base. Let people outside the party have a say on who gets elected. The second sign was when the party threw all their support behind a candidate having a hard time filling hugh school gymnasiums while the other Dem candidate was filling stadiums erryday
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Mar 20, 2017 11:44
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Ahh, the Shillaries are back to tell us about how we failed Her rather than the other way around.
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:The second sign was when the party threw all their support behind a candidate having a hard time filling hugh school gymnasiums while the other Dem candidate was filling stadiums erryday it's like a flat circle, next comes the "well the votes didn't reflect that" argument, and then comes the "secret $hillary ninja squads literally burned bernie ballots secretly while the DNC chair cackled in glee" rebuttal, and then it goes around and around, forever
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Mar 20, 2017 11:55
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It’s easy to say in retrospect that Sanders didn’t stand a chance against someone who was basically on the campaign trail for the last 10 years out of some hubris to secure the WH.
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Mar 20, 2017 11:58
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:The Democrats can't win with just their own base. Let people outside the party have a say on who gets elected. How many states require proof of party? In my state they didn't require it when I voted in the primary and Bernie lost there anyway. I don't think he really ever had a chance of winning, the institutional inertia of Clinton running for the position for a decade was just too much to overcome. The fact that he actually bloodied her nose a bit when everyone in the party assumed it was all just a formality is where the Clinton campaign and the DNC should have started believing the people saying there were some problems and they weren't just going to walk into the Whitehouse followed by a Senate majority. They need to actually address the issue of their party's unpopularity if they want to actually get back into power at any level.
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Mar 20, 2017 12:12
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tekz posted:gently caress the Democratic party: https://theintercept.com/2016/05/03/single-payer-dems-colo/ That said, I am quite confident that this kind of concern was not the reason these Democratic consulting groups took on the anti-single-payer clients. So, yes, gently caress the Democratic party.
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Mar 20, 2017 12:45
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does the constant heckling of clinton serve any non-masturbatory function? this is like the sixth thread that has descended into rage-induced fantasies about vast clintonian conspiracies and establishment subterfuge. tbqh, it makes me think that the problem was less ideological than personal. the democratic party could have run an identical candidate and avoided the bernie crowd's rage so long as the candidate's name was not "hillary clinton." tekz posted:gently caress the Democratic party: https://theintercept.com/2016/05/03/single-payer-dems-colo/ idk how this is a "gently caress the democratic party" story so much as a "private consulting firm accepts client" story QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Mar 20, 2017 13:17
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Had Bernie been a Democrat before 2015 he very well could have won the primaries so it's great to see his supporters keep defending his dumb choice
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Had Bernie been a Democrat before 2015 he very well could have won the primaries so it's great to see his supporters keep defending his dumb choice Source?
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QuoProQuid posted:does the constant heckling of clinton serve any non-masturbatory function? this is like the sixth thread that has descended into rage-induced fantasies about vast clintonian conspiracies and establishment subterfuge. it serves as a constant reminder of what a poo poo candidate she was also, there was both ideological and personal issues with her. the personal issues appear to be more in the vein of "hillary is arrogant and condescending" than "i just don't like her" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yC7-JsR2Fk quote:idk how this is a "gently caress the democratic party" story so much as a "private consulting firm accepts client" story lol ok
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Mar 20, 2017 13:38
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QuoProQuid posted:does the constant heckling of clinton serve any non-masturbatory function? this is like the sixth thread that has descended into rage-induced fantasies about vast clintonian conspiracies and establishment subterfuge. How do we ensure she doesn't run again? That's right- constant heckling
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Mar 20, 2017 13:39
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Condiv posted:it serves as a constant reminder of what a poo poo candidate she was who are you reminding? i think literally everyone on something awful dot com knows that d&d hates clinton the article you linked is interesting. i don't know if i can really make any conclusions because of the way the performance seems to be set up, but it's an interesting concept. it does seem to point to more personal issues than ideological ones, though. Tight Booty Shorts posted:How do we ensure she doesn't run again? both of new york's senators are well-established and have no interest in retiring. cuomo and de blasio will run for re-election. beyond a few clickbait articles, there's no indication that she is even thinking about 2020. even if she wanted to run for office again, which is doubtful considering her age and the current political mood, there's no place for her to run. if she is politically active at all, it will be in fundraising and organizing.
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QuoProQuid posted:both of new york's senators are well-established and have no interest in retiring. cuomo and de blasio will run for re-election. I would love for us to bash on Cuomo more, especially as a New Yorker. He's everything awful about the democrats turned up to 11. If he has a shot at a national career than everything negative said by the left allot democrats outs proven true and they deserve for the party to continually fall into obscurity. If course the problem is Clinton will probably be fund raising and organizing for people like Cuomo so there is that
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QuoProQuid posted:who are you reminding? i think literally everyone on something awful dot com knows that d&d hates clinton there are a lot of hillaries in D&D for a forum that hates clinton. ones that will rush to defend her from even the mildest criticism. i'm not sure that these hillary fanatics won't be repeating that abuela is electable, and competent, etc in 2-3 years. so i think it's a good idea to periodically remind everyone that no, hillary is in fact poo poo, and she should never be trusted on anything again. as for your "personal issues matter more than ideological ones" conclusion from that article, i dunno why you'd make that conclusion from watching a video that only highlights clinton's personal issues. her ideological issues were a significant problem for her too and were a big reason why she was not able to switch to a simple message to fight trump back with. all the simple messages she could've used to counter trump do not align with the interests and ideology of her donors, so she was stripped of her ability to use them. it's incredibly amazing to me that a republican was able to claim the mantle of caring about the poor more than hillary was, entirely because she could not actually fight back in a way a traditional, non-corrupt democrat could. Condiv fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Condiv posted:it serves as a constant reminder of what a poo poo candidate she was Holy poo poo Hillary got owned in the debates didn't she?? Is there an entire gender swapped debate posted somewhere?
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Condiv posted:also, i don't know how much of D&D agrees yet, but I think it's p clear by now that the clintons are heavily corrupt. their daughter received numerous well-paying gift jobs from news networks and such. i don't know how a politician can try to claim that their kid receiving a $26k a minute salary from NBC will not have any sway on their policies. That isn't what corruption means. Though it's very distasteful.
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It kinda is what corruption means though. It's just not illegal corruption.
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The Kingfish posted:It kinda is what corruption means though. It's just not illegal corruption. Corruption is misuse of power. Giving someone a job because of nepotism isn't corruption.
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mcmagic posted:That isn't what corruption means. Though it's very distasteful. They gave her daughter a job so that she would misuse her power to benefit them In most first world nations something like this would sink her. Not the corruption friendly US though
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mcmagic posted:Corruption is misuse of power. Giving someone a job because of nepotism isn't corruption. Nepotism isn't a sign of corruption.... Jesus Christ
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Condiv posted:They gave her daughter a job so that she would misuse her power to benefit them He daughter getting a good job would sink her? Really? That is such meaningless small beans.
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Her daughter getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do nothing by a major news corporation should have put her in hot water. Same with the Saudi donations to the Clinton Foundation.
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The Kingfish posted:Her daughter getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do nothing by a major news corporation should have put her in hot water. Same with the Saudi donations to the Clinton Foundation. Child of rich, famous and influential parents getting a good job is not a scandal. No one cares. It's SOP.
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QuoProQuid posted:idk how this is a "gently caress the democratic party" story so much as a "private consulting firm accepts client" story Have a giant list of colorado politicians including the democratic governor opposing it then.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Have a giant list of colorado politicians including the democratic governor opposing it then. Considering the bill was opposed by majorities of democratic voters and politicians in CO, perhaps we should change the thread title to Will the democrats change and stop representing their membership?
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JeffersonClay posted:Considering the bill was opposed by majorities of democratic voters and politicians in CO, perhaps we should change the thread title to Will the democrats change and stop representing their membership? dickeye finally got a name change so "literally the worst" is now available for you, just fyi
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A big flaming stink posted:for the love of god someone make a post that has nothing to do with Sanders vs Clinton. Fundraising and backroom dealing, just like the DNC chair is supposed to do, plus forming an "advisory committee" for the "transition" and appointing thirty-plus people to it. It's not really very visible or prominent, but it was never expected to be - this is exactly the kind of poo poo the DNC chair does. tekz posted:gently caress the Democratic party: https://theintercept.com/2016/05/03/single-payer-dems-colo/ Or, to be more exact, "gently caress political consulting firms that are sometimes hired by Democrats and sometimes hired by major industries". Also, gently caress ballot initiatives for constitutional amendments.
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Main Paineframe posted:Fundraising and backroom dealing, just like the DNC chair is supposed to do, plus forming an "advisory committee" for the "transition" and appointing thirty-plus people to it. It's not really very visible or prominent, but it was never expected to be - this is exactly the kind of poo poo the DNC chair does. if California hadn't already proved it, 2016 made it painfully clear that referendums for policy are the worst idea ever.
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