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GaussianCopula posted:mark the day! Not if the EU can help it. It's in the UK interest to kick the can down the road, but the EU gets the most leverage if they keep a strict deadline. And it's the EU that can decide to extend beyond the 2-year deadline, not the UK. Fun times are here to stay
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Just to be sure here, wasn't the UK the one that was always against more integration and needed all the coddling so they'd be happy? This is probably the biggest shot in the foot for a country since Pearl Harbor
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orange sky posted:Just to be sure here, wasn't the UK the one that was always against more integration and needed all the coddling so they'd be happy? They also used arguments of EU overreach that they themselves pushed through. Propaganda is a hell of a thing.
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orange sky posted:Just to be sure here, wasn't the UK the one that was always against more integration and needed all the coddling so they'd be happy? One of them, sure, and the most visible one by far. But because there are so many members with differing views that need unanimous consent you can find countries that'll block integrations no matter the topic. Tax harmonisation - NL and Lux. Labor protection - eastern europe and the northern countries (one because they profit from social dumping, the Swedes because they don't want to be forced to reduce their välfärdsstat). And so on and so on. It is entirely likely that we'll see some movement on financial services regulation, military and security policy, and maybe immigration. But for each of these themes I can see more countries blocking progress. On the other hand it's been a bit easy for European policy makers to blame lack of progress on the brits, so now that may pressure them to create results now that the easy scapegoat is leaving. We'll see. And yes, this is the motherload of own-goals. double nine fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Mar 20, 2017 12:58
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http://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/eurozone-chief-backs-german-calls-for-a-european-imf Djisselbloem needs a job man, come up with something!
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Mar 20, 2017 13:07
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What's great is that for the next ten years the U.K. politicians and media will only focus on brexit while britain's litany of social issues will go unattended too.
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julian assflange posted:What's great is that for the next ten years the U.K. politicians and media will only focus on brexit while britain's litany of social issues will go unattended too. so business as usual then?
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Mar 20, 2017 13:09
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What's also great is that Ireland's politicians and media will speak of nothing but Brexit and the border and joining the north and the south rather than focus on the litany of social issues that face the country
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julian assflange posted:What's great is that for the next ten years the U.K. politicians and media will only focus on brexit while britain's litany of social issues will go unattended too.
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Mar 20, 2017 13:11
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double nine posted:Not if the EU can help it. It's in the UK interest to kick the can down the road, but the EU gets the most leverage if they keep a strict deadline. And it's the EU that can decide to extend beyond the 2-year deadline, not the UK. If I were the EU I wouldn't lift a finger to strike a deal within the 2 years.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:If I were the EU I wouldn't lift a finger to strike a deal within the 2 years. They will, there's already a plan to start trade deal negotiations at the same time as exit talks. Like the EU said wouldn't happen.
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Mar 20, 2017 13:30
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Lord of the Llamas posted:If I were the EU I wouldn't lift a finger to strike a deal within the 2 years. That would be an own goal too; Britain would be hurt more by a Brexit without a deal, but the EU would certainly not gain anything by it. Junior G-man posted:They will, there's already a plan to start trade deal negotiations at the same time as exit talks. Like the EU said wouldn't happen. Really? Source? (not that I don't believe you but it's certainly news to me)
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Pluskut Tukker posted:That would be an own goal too; Britain would be hurt more by a Brexit without a deal, but the EU would certainly not gain anything by it. Its very survival might be what it gains from it.
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Mar 20, 2017 13:38
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If the EU's shown great ability in anything over the past 7 years, it's in trying to do something and managing to get less than nothing out of it.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Really? Source? (not that I don't believe you but it's certainly news to me) Don't have a link for you, but it's the latest scuttlebutt here inside the bubble. The Irish are pushing it hard - they're terrified of being caught in the middle of the EU and UK as so much of their trade relies on the UK open borders etc.
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julian assflange posted:What's great is that for the next ten years the U.K. politicians and media will only focus on brexit while britain's litany of social issues will go unattended too. I was under the impression that the politicians are very much attending to the social issues. By making them worse, that is.
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Junior G-man posted:Don't have a link for you, but it's the latest scuttlebutt here inside the bubble. The Irish are pushing it hard - they're terrified of being caught in the middle of the EU and UK as so much of their trade relies on the UK open borders etc. That makes sense, thanks. From a Continental point of view, it might not even a bad idea to start the trade negotiations now since as far as I can tell the British government is in no way fully staffed or prepared yet to handle trade negotiations so locking in the advantages the EU bureaucracy has over them might not be the worst thing in the world.
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This is good news for anyone who isn't in https://t.co/QE3mDGmhzN quote:Britain and Germany set to sign defence co-operation deal
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Minister of Education Najat Vallaud-Belkacem continues to own routinely, this time by playing Quidditch at a junior high school to show off an example of an interdisciplinary class. I really like her, a lot, even though she's a Valls supporter, because she's great at trolling reactionaries, and she's doing a decent job as Minister of Education.
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https://twitter.com/MehreenKhn/status/843839900797583361 so there! stick that up yer junta and smoke it, ya nancing euro-commies!
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double nine posted:One of them, sure, and the most visible one by far. But because there are so many members with differing views that need unanimous consent you can find countries that'll block integrations no matter the topic. Tax harmonisation - NL and Lux. Labor protection - eastern europe and the northern countries (one because they profit from social dumping, the Swedes because they don't want to be forced to reduce their välfärdsstat). And so on and so on. That's why the only solution is to continue integration through multilateral initiatives rather than unanimous joint steps. To some extent it's already the case; that's why there are things like "Schengen area" and "Eurozone".
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double nine posted:Not if the EU can help it. It's in the UK interest to kick the can down the road, but the EU gets the most leverage if they keep a strict deadline. And it's the EU that can decide to extend beyond the 2-year deadline, not the UK. Theoretically the UK could probably unilaterally revoke their Art. 50 notice. And while that'd probably not be politically feasible, they might be able to make an argument that if they're able to unilaterally stop (and restart) the Brexit, they should be able to unilaterally prolong it. Alternatively, I'd not be surprised if the weird and hosed-up customs of international relationships still allow them to kick the can down the road legally even before you get into possible political reasons the EU might be willing to give an extension to the UK.
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/MehreenKhn/status/843839900797583361 So you can wipe the debt of Germans, but not the Greeks?
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His Divine Shadow posted:So you can wipe the debt of Germans, but not the Greeks?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:German debt wasn't accrued immorally. Hehehe
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I think we can make austerity work if we tie a carrot of some kind to it. For example, if country demonstrates sufficient commitment to austerity, they get partial debt forgiveness. Of course, we need to ensure that this won't be abused by being careful which countries are accepted into this system.
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Mar 20, 2017 21:04
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I'm watching the first (only?) French presidential debate. Mélanchon speaks very well.
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julian assflange posted:I'm watching the first (only?) French presidential debate. Mélanchon speaks very well.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Minister of Education Najat Vallaud-Belkacem continues to own routinely, this time by playing Quidditch at a junior high school to show off an example of an interdisciplinary class. Najat is a qt This presidential debate is shocking because the candidates actually answer the questions concisely, instead of droning on and exceeding time limits like in ours
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His Divine Shadow posted:So you can wipe the debt of Germans, but not the Greeks? German debt was not wiped out, it was just restructured, mostly because the Western powers had not interest in impoverishing West Germany, their front line against communism, which coincidentally didn't elect politicians whose explicit goal it was to destroy/change the power structure and ideological orthodoxy of NATO.
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I would vote for a Sanders/Melenchon ticket in 2020
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Mar 20, 2017 21:55
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Le Pen is giving Fillon a right doing tonight
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curried lamb of God posted:I would vote for a Sanders/Melenchon ticket in 2020 sanders/melenchon/corbyn triumvirate
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Grandma is drunk and ranting about burkinis again edit: draaaaag her Jean-Luc curried lamb of God fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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My French debate hot take: Fillon: Has said gently caress all and seems to be on drugs. Taking a beating from the others.Skin has a leathery quality to it tonight. Hamon: still fixated on Macron and hasn't landed a single lasting blow. Least presence of all five participants. Pale as gently caress. Mélanchon: some good owns. Decent skin. Macron: made light work of Hamon and Le Pen's weak owns and spirited defence of others. Fumbled his words at some stage Unless he makes a major gently caress up he won't suffer much after tonight. Neutral complexion. Le Pen: going full Trump from tonight onwards it seems. Some good owns on Fillon. Good hair.
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Mar 20, 2017 22:47
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Melenchon's gallery is hilarious
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Hosts are making a meal of it. Three/four people talking across each other for the last five minutes
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Mar 20, 2017 23:01
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curried lamb of God posted:
Yet there was no pound sign on her graph showing how the UK compared to Germany, France, Italy and Spain.
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