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mango sentinel posted:IIRC Blade Pact DPR isn't actually that bad but the lack of anything else in the class (vampiric is too little too late) to facilitate being in melee makes it a tough sell compared to blast sniping. You mean stuff like temp HP sources and melee-range damage reflect abilities?
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Plus you have to actually be in melee, which is dangerous and gross when you have warlock AC and HP.
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Conspiratiorist posted:You mean stuff like temp HP sources and melee-range damage reflect abilities? You need AC, DR, evasion, or ways to move in and out. Warlocks have a little bit of these but they're not enough, conditional, or at an opportunity cost.
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Mar 20, 2017 16:15
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The discussion about how in old D&D Magic-Users were pretty much reliant on DM fiat for getting their spells made me think of a pretty dumb idea. Since 3.5 the rules have assumed that Wizards simply add new spells into their spellbook every level. I don't know if it's because of spell research or doing a magic course by mail where each level they get sent in new spells, but in terms of old-school D&D Wizards are basically getting for free something that used to be random loot. What if you did something like that with Fighters? Every couple of levels or so they get to choose one free piece of loot appropriate to their level. Like, at level 3 or something you might pick up your first +1 sword for free. As you get better + swords you can flavor it as your bond with your weapon becoming stronger and it unlocking new abilities. I know this goes nowhere near resolving the imbalance between Fighters and Wizards in the game, but it might be a start. One of the things holding Fighters back is the fact that, more than any class, they are reliant on getting occasional upgrades to their gear, and the process is entirely up to DM fiat or random rolls on loot tables. Give the Fighter actual decision-making power with regards to what sort of items they're getting.
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Mar 20, 2017 16:17
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No because only wizards can create magic items, it should be a wizard feature
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Mar 20, 2017 16:29
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Ratpick posted:What if you did something like that with Fighters? Every couple of levels or so they get to choose one free piece of loot appropriate to their level. Like, at level 3 or something you might pick up your first +1 sword for free. As you get better + swords you can flavor it as your bond with your weapon becoming stronger and it unlocking new abilities. I like this idea a lot, although rather than literally just having items materialize out of air, I'd have the players "find" the items in whatever room they're in. The same can also apply to wizard spells - doesn't hurt for the GM to say that have the wizard "found a book of new spells" in the room. Sure this might not make sense in all situations, but it makes more narrative sense than the current system. After reading the last few pages of magic discussion, I think you could combine this idea with having the level-up-found fighter items have quasi-magical abilities. like, rather than "a better axe," the fighter could get "gloves that allow you to add an electrical charge to any attack, but require 5 turns cooldown" or something. If they get one of these per level, the wizard / fighter gameplay gulf could be cut down quite a bit - or at the very least, the fighter could end up with more fun options during combat. Polo-Rican fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Mar 20, 2017 16:40
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mango sentinel posted:You need AC, DR, evasion, or ways to move in and out. Warlocks have a little bit of these but they're not enough, conditional, or at an opportunity cost. 1 level fighter dip, AC issue solved.
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Mar 20, 2017 16:54
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Splicer posted:The latter wouldn't necessarily apply if "gets all the spells" wasn't an available class feature. Yeah as a DM this is what I find very frustrating. Its up to me to manage behavoirs for the monsters and I cant go all out.
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Mar 20, 2017 16:58
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Barudak posted:Yeah as a DM this is what I find very frustrating. Its up to me to manage behavoirs for the monsters and I cant go all out. I usually go all-out and I haven't killed anyone yet. Give 1st-level PCs an extra 6 HP. Ratpick posted:What if you did something like that with Fighters? Every couple of levels or so they get to choose one free piece of loot appropriate to their level. Like, at level 3 or something you might pick up your first +1 sword for free. As you get better + swords you can flavor it as your bond with your weapon becoming stronger and it unlocking new abilities. I'd rather go full anime and let Martials do inherently supernatural poo poo. Like making weak opponents pass out (Sleep) by overwhelming them with killing intent.
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That 5e Facebook group that was mentioned here earlier is amazing material.A comment on a question about HP posted:Ask your DM. Honestly you shouldn't be thinking about HP at all in character since it's a meta term.
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Serperoth posted:That 5e Facebook group that was mentioned here earlier is amazing material. It's not exactly an incorrect statement to make. People don't walk around worrying about their hit points. If you get into a car accident and break your leg you don't get to drink a potion and presto it's fixed. Hit points are just a mechanic.
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Mar 20, 2017 20:45
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Serperoth posted:That 5e Facebook group that was mentioned here earlier is amazing material. He's not baseless in that thinking. There's a 3e spell that you're supposed to cast so your character can accurately know the hp and status of other party members. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/status.htm METAGAMING IS TALKING TO OTHER PLAYERS
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Mar 20, 2017 20:51
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I have a player that consistently yells "NO METAGAMING" when players try to strategize at the table during combat. He's only 50% joking.
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Mar 20, 2017 21:11
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More options for wizards, muscle men / sneaky boys can gently caress off. I've always wanted to make a mage killer fighter 2 / abjuration wizard, war magic could be good for that.
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Arivia posted:He's not baseless in that thinking. There's a 3e spell that you're supposed to cast so your character can accurately know the hp and status of other party members. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/status.htm That's explicitly for knowing their status even when they're on the other side of the dungeon. Or the planet.
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Mar 20, 2017 21:14
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So new Unearthed Arcana is up, two Wizard traditions, one is the Theurge, or a retake on it. Looks fairly similar to a previous UA. The second is War Magic, which is kind of interesting. Though it definitely doesn't get the same feature as Evocation. That said at 14th level you could potentially be pulsing some damage to nearby enemies, so long as you are willing to forgo using anything other than cantrips for a round after Reaction improving your AC/Concentration Save.
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Arivia posted:He's not baseless in that thinking. There's a 3e spell that you're supposed to cast so your character can accurately know the hp and status of other party members. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/status.htm Yeah, you don't know the number IC, but between the "ask your DM", and the declaration that it's a meta term, as if that wouldn't be true about your stats, initiative, and so forth.
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Vengarr posted:That's explicitly for knowing their status even when they're on the other side of the dungeon. Or the planet. Or wherever. It still promotes the idea that you need to have a spell to know if other party members are wounded; you can't just ask them.
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Arivia posted:Or wherever. It still promotes the idea that you need to have a spell to know if other party members are wounded; you can't just ask them. That's not what it implies at all? It's a touch spell. If you get close enough to touch someone, of course you can tell whether they are wounded or dying. The intended usage is "I want to jump in this lake and check the bottom." "Okay, let me cast Status on you so we'll know if something goes wrong."
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Mar 20, 2017 21:39
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Nice of them to illustrate the point that was made a few pages ago. Magic can do anything!
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Vengarr posted:Nice of them to illustrate the point that was made a few pages ago. Better than the classes that are supposed to be the best at it!
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I love that the flavor text is "your'e smart which means you can do this better than the experts". Nerds have a real complex about intelligence being the most important thing, I wonder why.
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Should note this is the second take on the theurge Also feel like I should point this out for all the people going on about the wizard and saying they should just long rest after the wizard uses it's best stuff. quote:A character can't benefit from more than one long rest in a 24-hour period, and a character must have at least 1 hit point at the start of the rest to gain its benefits. The important part is the 24 hour thing.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Should note this is the second take on the theurge Which just means you need to tack on an extra (24 - however long ago you took your last rest) to get the effects.
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Ratpick posted:The discussion about how in old D&D Magic-Users were pretty much reliant on DM fiat for getting their spells made me think of a pretty dumb idea. This exact thing was discussed on the previous page 
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Mr Beens posted:This exact thing was discussed on the previous page
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I end every module by spraying my magical load all over the boss then passing out for eight hours.
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blastron posted:I have a player that consistently yells "NO METAGAMING" when players try to strategize at the table during combat. He's only 50% joking. I had a DM like this for a while and man it was annoying. I understand if you're frustrated that your players never seem to engage with the world beyond the game level - though honestly if that's what they want maybe you should either adjust your tone or quit - but seriously. If you don't let your players strategize at all at the table they just end up yelling at each other about sub-optimal play after the session is over.
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Mendrian posted:I had a DM like this for a while and man it was annoying. I understand if you're frustrated that your players never seem to engage with the world beyond the game level - though honestly if that's what they want maybe you should either adjust your tone or quit - but seriously. If you don't let your players strategize at all at the table they just end up yelling at each other about sub-optimal play after the session is over. I have a DM for Pathfinder that is fine with general strategy but blows up if you ask how hurt someone is. As if knowing if someone is at half health is different than 15/30 hp ( We just hit level 4 last round ). I DM D&D 5e for the group right now ( Switching off to give him a break and let him play ) and I haven't bothered to squelch that poo poo at all, and they seem less frustrated to me. I do however note that I do not take note or even know what the HP of people are, so they know they have to be a little more on their toes at this point. They're about to take on the Orcs in SKT's opening next session, and they're fully aware I won't be holding back or meta-gaming myself on who is at what HP level.
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So realistically how much do I damage the game balance if I introduce this weapon? Gnomish Compound Crossbow Loading, Range, Two-Handed Range: 100/400 Weight: 9 Damage Type: Piercing Item Type: Ranged Weapon Damage: 1d10 Cost: 300 gp Special: Disadvantage on Attack rolls if user is Medium or larger.
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Razorwired posted:So realistically how much do I damage the game balance if I introduce this weapon? Not even remotely damaging. This might actually be the tamest homebrew I've ever seen.
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Drowning Rabbit posted:They're about to take on the Orcs in SKT's opening next session, and they're fully aware I won't be holding back or meta-gaming myself on who is at what HP level. I've been playing with that idea, myself, lately. RAW, there's no instant death until a creature hits a player for 100% of their HP after they go past zero. Effectively, a level 4 PC with 30HP needs to take 60 damage before they're auto-dead. I've managed to knock one of my players to zero mid-fight because I wasn't paying attention to what their HP numbers were and it's become one of those nice little surprises for the DM. You don't effectively "control" that aspect of the game and don't know when it happens. Suddenly the players are scrambling to change tactics to get their fallen paladin back up and into the fight. It's fun. Having the intelligent humanoid knock them out with their first attack and take their second to give the fallen player a lovetap and a death save autofailure (especially after seeing someone fall and then get back up) feels like good DM gameplay. It frustrates the players a little bit, but gives them ample opportunity to respond and prioritize good tactics over letting someone run ahead into the fray and get themselves gibbed. My players at level 9 are much more cautious and practice good tactical combat with me, whereas at level 4 and 5 they were sort of all over the place. It feels like character and party growth beyond just the numbers on their papers increasing. It'll also be super important in the upcoming BBEG fight.
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Razorwired posted:So realistically how much do I damage the game balance if I introduce this weapon? Uhh, that's exactly the stats of a heavy crossbow, just fitted for small sized players (so half the item weight, as if anyone actually tracks that.)
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So a friend of mine seems intent on running "Dark Souls of D&D!" I've tried to explain to him that his premise is flawed because in the whole point of Dark Souls is that eventually you manage to become skilled enough within the game's system to avoid dying instantly whereas in D&D you're always going to be subject to the whim of the d20 but he won't listen. I was trying to think of some practical advice for him on how to create a 'Dark Souls feel' in the actual mechanics (he's decent enough at world building and doesn't need any help there) but I don't know what I'd suggest unless he's willing to completely rewrite the system. I think what I would probably do is customize monsters to have lower AC and more HP, and do a ton of damage, but have exploitable weaknesses that, once known, make encounters significantly easier (or do the same with the environment). Anybody tried anything like this?
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Razorwired posted:So realistically how much do I damage the game balance if I introduce this weapon? No problems whatsoever since it's identical to a regular heavy crossbow in every way that matters. I'm assuming that the user-size restriction is there for theme? E: Beaten while overthinking if it was the same stats or not. e2: At that price it better come with sweet grip inlays or gold plated fittings or something. Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Mendrian posted:So a friend of mine seems intent on running "Dark Souls of D&D!" I've tried to explain to him that his premise is flawed because in the whole point of Dark Souls is that eventually you manage to become skilled enough within the game's system to avoid dying instantly whereas in D&D you're always going to be subject to the whim of the d20 but he won't listen. I was trying to think of some practical advice for him on how to create a 'Dark Souls feel' in the actual mechanics (he's decent enough at world building and doesn't need any help there) but I don't know what I'd suggest unless he's willing to completely rewrite the system. I think what I would probably do is customize monsters to have lower AC and more HP, and do a ton of damage, but have exploitable weaknesses that, once known, make encounters significantly easier (or do the same with the environment). He'd better have some sort of nameless one style respawn mechanism that somehow includes your items. Maybe the characters are permanent illusions and don't know that they are that ? (until they run into antimagic it wouldn't be a problem)
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AlphaDog posted:e2: At that price it better come with sweet grip inlays or gold plated fittings or something. Made with rare gnomish bleebleweeps and fizzlezoks.
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Have there been any uncommonly huge/ancient/powerful faerie dragons? I know for the most part they're tiny and not that scary.
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