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Rent-A-Cop posted:The Democratic Party is institutionally incapable of learning. Let's get a blue dog dem that knows some Spanish so the latinos will vote for us. I should be a dem consultant
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KomradeX posted:People keep saying Clinton but I don't think so. It'll be Cuomo/Booker, in some variation. At which point the party collapses right into the singularity up an oligarchs rear end Tight Booty Shorts posted:I should be a dem consultant
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Mar 20, 2017 18:21
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Mark my words. The DNC will throw Chelsea a safe Senate seat vacated by some ancient Democrat in 2018 and run her with an inoffensive centrist grey-haired good old boy in 2020. Only gonna charge them $99,999 a bargain compared to what Robbie Mook and Eida got for their "work"
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Mar 20, 2017 18:25
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Rent-A-Cop posted:The Democratic Party is institutionally incapable of learning. The way to accomplish political change isn't by hoping all the politicians currently in power magically change their minds, it's by beating them. If Clinton/Blue Dog Southern Governor ends up on the presidential ticket in 2020, all that proves is that even with four years of lead time, the left still isn't capable of beating the moneyed establishment, not even when the establishment candidate is a deeply unpopular awful campaigner. Face it - Hillary Clinton isn't going to wake up tomorrow and realize the glory of socialism and write off her entire political history as misguided - and if she did, we would be foolish to believe her. The same is true for all the other centrists.
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Mar 20, 2017 18:26
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Main Paineframe posted:The way to accomplish political change isn't by hoping all the politicians currently in power magically change their minds, it's by beating them. If Clinton/Blue Dog Southern Governor ends up on the presidential ticket in 2020, all that proves is that even with four years of lead time, the left still isn't capable of beating the moneyed establishment, not even when the establishment candidate is a deeply unpopular awful campaigner. Face it - Hillary Clinton isn't going to wake up tomorrow and realize the glory of socialism and write off her entire political history as misguided - and if she did, we would be foolish to believe her. The same is true for all the other centrists. All it proves is that the left is still all too willing to buy into the notion that the democrats are worth negotiating with and that the party can be changed from the inside. This love me I'm a liberal poo poo has been going on for decades already.
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Mar 20, 2017 18:30
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KomradeX posted:People keep saying Clinton but I don't think so. It'll be Cuomo/Booker, in some variation. At which point the party collapses right into the singularity up an oligarchs rear end More likely Trump will have screwed the pooch so spectacularly that whatever centrist they put up will win and they will take it as proof that the country is dying for lovely centrism
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Main Paineframe posted:The way to accomplish political change isn't by hoping all the politicians currently in power magically change their minds, it's by beating them. If Clinton/Blue Dog Southern Governor ends up on the presidential ticket in 2020, all that proves is that even with four years of lead time, the left still isn't capable of beating the moneyed establishment, not even when the establishment candidate is a deeply unpopular awful campaigner. Face it - Hillary Clinton isn't going to wake up tomorrow and realize the glory of socialism and write off her entire political history as misguided - and if she did, we would be foolish to believe her. The same is true for all the other centrists. Hard to beat an opponent that has the backing of the most wealthy and powerful people in human history Money is an impassable obstacle in this country, which is why we must remove all of it's influence in our democracy.
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Mar 20, 2017 18:33
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Agnosticnixie posted:All it proves is that the left is still all too willing to buy into the notion that the democrats are worth negotiating with and that the party can be changed from the inside. This love me I'm a liberal poo poo has been going on for decades already. There is no alternative to changing the party from the inside. Also the party has moved left in the last decade. That is unarguable.
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Mar 20, 2017 18:33
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mcmagic posted:There is no alternative to changing the party from the inside. Also the party has moved left in the last decade. That is unarguable. After sharply moving to the right. It's not like the dems could go further to the right than Clinton-era "Je suis Ronald" without collapsing.
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Mar 20, 2017 18:37
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Money is an impassable obstacle in this country, which is why we must remove all of it's influence in our democracy.
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Bernie both outraised and outspent Clinton during portions of the primary, of course.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Bernie both outraised and outspent Clinton during portions of the primary, of course. which is good evidence that we don't need corporate donors to reach an effective level of campaign cash.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Mark my words. The DNC will throw Chelsea a safe Senate seat vacated by some ancient Democrat in 2018 and run her with an inoffensive centrist grey-haired good old boy in 2020. God I hope you are wrong it'll be too soon if I ever have to hear the names Bush or Clinton involved in US politics again
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Condiv posted:which is good evidence that we don't need corporate donors to reach an effective level of campaign cash. sure, and it's also not a reason to be discouraged about the future
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:sure, and it's also not a reason to be discouraged about the future Says the rich white man
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Bernie both outraised and outspent Clinton during portions of the primary, of course. Yeah. It wasn't money. The voters were wrong.
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Mar 20, 2017 18:59
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:sure, and it's also not a reason to be discouraged about the future dems continuing to take corporate dollars is though, cause they cannot address their constituents' needs and be sucking at that tap at the same time
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Mar 20, 2017 19:03
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Mark my words. The DNC will throw Chelsea a safe Senate seat vacated by some ancient Democrat in 2018 and run her with an inoffensive centrist grey-haired good old boy in 2020. Jesus loving christ. First, no they're not going to "throw her some safe senate seat" because that's not how that works and the only places where someone might retire are because they don't think they can get re-elected (Florida's Nelson); so you very obviously don't know what the gently caress you're talking about on the first part of this -- but the second is even dumber.
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Mar 20, 2017 19:15
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mcmagic posted:Cuomo is a piece of poo poo and the DNC has taken unions for granted but you didn't answer my question. Hillary Clinton was clearly and unequivocally better for unions and more harm is going to come to unions because she lost. That is a 100% fact. Just Neil Goursch and whoever else Trump installs on the court are going to cast crippling votes for unions for the next 30 years. Elections are a giant game of Split-The-Dollar. Dems have $1 of political capital. They offer a share to each group of supporters. The supporters can accept their share. Or they can stay home and get nothing(/Trump). Split-The-Dollar is interesting because any offer, even $0.01, is clearly and unequivocally better than the $0 you get for staying home. But, in practice, people won't accept poo poo offers. They'd rather get $0 then accept an offer where they feel screwed. That's what's happening to the Dems. They've done so little for so many that people are starting to say "gently caress it."
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Mar 20, 2017 19:17
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Jesus loving christ. First, no they're not going to "throw her some safe senate seat" because that's not how that works and the only places where someone might retire are because they don't think they can get re-elected (Florida's Nelson); so you very obviously don't know what the gently caress you're talking about on the first part of this -- but the second is even dumber. Weren't you like wrong about everything ever?
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Mar 20, 2017 19:18
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Weren't you like wrong about everything ever? Oh for gently caress sake dude. Chelsea Clinton isn't going to parachute into a goddamn senate race "vacated by someone for her" and she isn't going to run for loving President. Like, take a look a the loving map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2018 Which one of those races is she going to parachute into? Like maybe if you want to say she's going to run for a safe house seat, I'd be receptive because I wouldn't be shocked at that -- but the Senate? Come of the gently caress on. But oh, sorry I was wrong about the American public being smart enough to see Trump for what he is. I apologize profusely. Guess that means y'all get to make up all kinds of fever-dream poo poo about Chelsea Clinton because you're morons. BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Mar 20, 2017 19:20
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Oh for gently caress sake dude. Chelsea Clinton isn't going to parachute into a goddamn senate race "vacated by someone for her" and she isn't going to run for loving President. Like, take a look a the loving map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2018 Yikes. She may be getting ready to run for something, you can't deny that. Who cares if it's a senate seat or a house seat or for loving dog catcher of Boone County. Point is her and her venture capitalist "democrat" family need to gently caress right off back to their manhattan glass tower and literal duffel bags of corporate cash
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Holy gently caress, mcmagic, weren't you the hardest of Bernie supporters, and now you're in here accusing people of being terrible for not voting for Clinton? I remember you earning a "mcmagic was right" av after the election, why are you now intent on shaming people for not helping Worst Candidate Ever Hillary win? Tight Booty Shorts posted:Point is her and her venture capitalist "democrat" family need to gently caress right off back to their manhattan glass tower and literal duffel bags of corporate cash drat right, I should never hear about the Clinton name again in politics.
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Mar 20, 2017 19:33
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Yikes. It, factually, makes a pretty big difference. It also makes a difference that the implication was the DNC would clear the field for her and that she'd be handed the nomination for President in two years because y'all are idiots. Like if she wants to run for a safe house district in New York, I could care less. WampaLord posted:drat right, I should never hear about the Clinton name again in politics. But we should swear fealty to a dude who wasted Millions of dollars to lose an election to them. Okay then.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:because you're morons. We're all hosed and Ivanka is going to be the first woman president.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:But we should swear fealty to a dude who wasted Millions of dollars to lose an election to them. Okay then. How do you suffer the Most Embarrassing Election Loss ever and then not turn to the other guy who ran against you and ask "Hey, any ideas?" No swearing of fealty required, duder.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Love you too buddy. If you say I'm wrong I'm almost definitely way righter than I wish I was. Yeah you're totally 100% right. Chlesea is going to take Debbie Stabenow's seat in Michigan and then run for President with Joe Manchin as her VP. WampaLord posted:How do you suffer the Most Embarrassing Election Loss ever and then not turn to the other guy who ran against you and ask "Hey, any ideas?" The other guy lost to you and spent millions of dollars to do it without having a single loving negative ad ran against him. I don't know, maybe Bernie isn't the savior of the party?
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:It, factually, makes a pretty big difference. It also makes a difference that the implication was the DNC would clear the field for her and that she'd be handed the nomination for President in two years because y'all are idiots. Lol "THE IMPLICATION" of course you could care less if someone as corrupt and stupid as Chelsea would get into politics. Which is exactly why we are in this situation- literally every man, woman, and child in that isn't a millionaire is now threatened with the destructive effects of climate change but woops, a Clinton dropped the ball and now the people are truly hosed. Oh well, who cares if another Clinton wants a slice of the pie 
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I don't know, maybe Bernie isn't the savior of the party? well neither is anyone else then
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Yeah you're totally 100% right. Chlesea is going to take Debbie Stabenow's seat in Michigan and then run for President with Joe Manchin as her VP. He has done more for the Democratic Party than your savior Khaleesi lmao
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:The other guy lost to you and spent millions of dollars to do it without having a single loving negative ad ran against him. I don't know, maybe Bernie isn't the savior of the party? If not him, then who? He's currently the most favorably viewed politician in America.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:The other guy lost to you and spent millions of dollars to do it without having a single loving negative ad ran against him. I don't know, maybe Bernie isn't the savior of the party? You know the guy who is the most popular politician in America right now who is trying to remind the Louisville that the Democrats are supposed to be for the people and not just the donor class. Or you know what someone else already made the comparison to Reagan losing to Ford in '76. So just because they lost to your loser doesn't mean they wouldn't win the main show.
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found this while reading up on her senate win: from 2001 https://web.archive.org/web/20070322114708/http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/pardons/overview.html quote:The outrage following the Rich pardon prompted Clinton to defend himself in an op-ed article that appeared in the New York Times on February 18, 2001. Clinton wrote that while he waived the criminal charges against Rich and Green, the two men are still liable for any civil charge the government might bring against them. hillary is definitely not corrupt. not at all she only has to remind us every couple of years that there was no quid pro quo Condiv fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:He has done more for the Democratic Party than your savior Khaleesi lmao It's weird how you keep calling her Khaleesi. Is it because she doesn't support child labor? KomradeX posted:You know the guy who is the most popular politician in America right now who is trying to remind the Louisville that the Democrats are supposed to be for the people and not just the donor class. There's a big difference in getting his input and handing him the keys to the car. BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Mar 20, 2017 19:50
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:It's weird how you keep calling her Khaleesi. Is it because she doesn't support child labor? Her actions in Haiti point to the opposite actually 🤔
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Mar 20, 2017 19:50
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Her actions in Haiti point to the opposite actually 🤔 Then you should be for her.
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Mar 20, 2017 19:52
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:There's a big difference in getting his input and handing him the keys to the car. Well considering everyone else at the party seems to be drunk on donor class bullshit and Very Serious Thinking, I'd like to see how well Bernie could drive the car for a while.
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Mar 20, 2017 19:56
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Then you should be for her. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about but I'm glad you agree that Clinton pro-child slavery
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WampaLord posted:Well considering everyone else at the party seems to be drunk on donor class bullshit and Very Serious Thinking, I'd like to see how well Bernie could drive the car for a while. If Bernie gets the keys the never ending spigot of corporate cash would dry up and golly-gee Mr. Bi Now would be very upset if that were to happen
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:If Bernie gets the keys the never ending spigot of corporate cash would dry up and golly-gee Mr. Bi Now would be very upset if that were to happen Bernie never had a problem taking corporate cash for Senate runs. Weird how that works now.
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