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UmOk posted:Pretty sure there is a goon consensus that Reeve's Superman is "Gross", "Problematic" or "Creepy." Mostly just the fourth one, really. Also Superman is an rear end in a top hat for beating up that trucker at the end of 2.
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Grendels Dad posted:Mostly just the fourth one, really. Also Superman is an rear end in a top hat for beating up that trucker at the end of 2. Also getting a lady pregnant, then making her forget that they had sex.
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Mar 20, 2017 13:24
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Grendels Dad posted:Mostly just the fourth one, really. Also Superman is an rear end in a top hat for beating up that trucker at the end of 2. Superman II is funny because everything that people complain about Man of Steel happens in it also, it's just that Reeves is laughing with Lois while they murder Zod.
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Mar 20, 2017 13:55
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Chairman Capone posted:Superman II is funny because everything that people complain about Man of Steel happens in it also, it's just that Reeves is laughing with Lois while they murder Zod. But you don't get it man, this superman isn't dour or grimdark, he actually smiles!
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Mar 20, 2017 14:10
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Chairman Capone posted:Superman II is funny because everything that people complain about Man of Steel happens in it also, it's just that Reeves is laughing with Lois while they murder Zod. Yeah nobody actually thinks Reeve's Superman is "gross" or "creepy", they just point out the double standard to people who have a hate boner for Snyder's Superman.
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Mar 20, 2017 16:09
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Guy A. Person posted:Yeah nobody actually thinks Reeve's Superman is "gross" or "creepy", they just point out the double standard to people who have a hate boner for Snyder's Superman. Superman in Quest for Peace is kinda creepy. He does the mindrape thing again after Lois helped him decide that humans cannot be trusted to be masters of their own fate. It's a shame Nuclear Man distracted him, it would have been really funny to see Superman struggle to come up with an answer when a kid asks him "And what about world hunger?"
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Mar 20, 2017 16:17
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It's not a double standard. The films paint two very different tones. Like you don't feel the same way about the gun fights in John Wick as you do in say...Saving Private Ryan. Man of Steel treats Zod's death as brutal and tragic where's Superman two treats it as a victory moment. Two very, very different things.
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CelticPredator posted:It's not a double standard. The films paint two very different tones. Like you don't feel the same way about the gun fights in John Wick as you do in say...Saving Private Ryan. Yeah but in your John Wick/Saving Private Ryan example you don't have people arguing that one is bad by default and should be more like the other. Zod's death is treated as brutal and tragic and Superman wails in grief afterwards and then people say "I don't get why this weird creepy Superman didn't care about things and was a murderer". But yes they are both different and should be read differently and not compared to some platonic ideal Superman, I agree.
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Guy A. Person posted:Yeah but in your John Wick/Saving Private Ryan example you don't have people arguing that one is bad by default and should be more like the other. Zod's death is treated as brutal and tragic and Superman wails in grief afterwards and then people say "I don't get why this weird creepy Superman didn't care about things and was a murderer". But yes they are both different and should be read differently and not compared to some platonic ideal Superman, I agree. Also Zod's death in the 1980 film was deliberately ambiguous. Supes sneakily steals his power, crushes his hand and then drops him down a hole in the Fortress of Solitude with a smirk and a cheeky shake of his head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnPFZI_E_sQ Is he dead? Trapped? Imprisoned? We don't know, we just know that he's been dealt with and disposed.
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Mar 20, 2017 17:15
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I mean he does vaporize the Fortress of Solitude with them in it at the end of that scene. (but yeah from a practical standpoint he probably tossed them back into the Phantom Zone or whatever)
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Mar 20, 2017 17:27
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In retrospect, Man Of Steel gets off on the right foot by immediately having the righteous villain correctly claim that the Phantom Zone is bullshit.
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Mar 20, 2017 17:29
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:In retrospect, Man Of Steel gets off on the right foot by immediately having the righteous villain correctly claim that the Phantom Zone is bullshit. His sentencing scene is one of the best bits in the movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3xvr_ojJWE
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:In retrospect, Man Of Steel gets off on the right foot by immediately having the righteous villain correctly claim that the Phantom Zone is bullshit. That is one of the parts of that movie I liked, although as with most of the other parts of the movie I liked, Michael Shannon sells it.
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Guy A. Person posted:I mean he does vaporize the Fortress of Solitude with them in it at the end of that scene. IIRC there's a cut sequence at the end where you see Zod et. al being loaded into police cars in the background while Luthor talks, but wasn't in the release.
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Electromax posted:IIRC there's a cut sequence at the end where you see Zod et. al being loaded into police cars in the background while Luthor talks, but wasn't in the release. Wait lol like at the north pole?
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Mar 20, 2017 17:43
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Jor-El and Zod were both right. Superman's got two dads.
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Mar 20, 2017 17:51
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Guy A. Person posted:Wait lol like at the north pole? US Arctic Patrol on the scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA5d66AnT7s
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Mar 20, 2017 17:59
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Guy A. Person posted:Yeah but in your John Wick/Saving Private Ryan example you don't have people arguing that one is bad by default and should be more like the other. Zod's death is treated as brutal and tragic and Superman wails in grief afterwards and then people say "I don't get why this weird creepy Superman didn't care about things and was a murderer". But yes they are both different and should be read differently and not compared to some platonic ideal Superman, I agree. Human beings have preferences and aren't perfectly unbiased creatures.
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Mar 20, 2017 18:08
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CelticPredator posted:Human beings have preferences and aren't perfectly unbiased creatures. Yeah, I mean, of course, agreed So poking fun at someone calling a movie lovely because they are biased is fine then right?
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Mar 20, 2017 18:11
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Superman v Aquaman!  Momoa is pretty much the human equivalent of a labrador puppy, he just loves everyone and can't keep still 
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Superman v Aquaman! New Beauty and the Beast looking pretty good.
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Guy A. Person posted:I mean he does vaporize the Fortress of Solitude with them in it at the end of that scene. There's a deleted scene with the Arctic police taking Zod away in handcuffs.
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Superman was a great guy in Superman 1, he just turns creepy and problematic from 2 onwards because of the loss of Donner. Look how Richard Donner paints Kansas like a Norman Rockwell painting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUUGDRxJnFU Kansas is loving majestic, pure, and sincere. It's the place that gave Superman his honest and pure character. Kansas is almost as much a parent to Clark as the Kents were, so that when he goes to the scary and mean Metropolis, he has his small town morals to guide him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQJu372MrM8 The "Superman turns back time" gimmick was originally planned for Superman II in Mario Puzo's screenplay, but Donner felt 1 was too anti-climactic and moved 2's climax to 1 and kicked the can down the road for how to end 2. In fact if you watch the Richard Donner Cut of Superman II, they still use the "Superman turns back time" climax. I think most of you know how Donner got kicked out by the Salkinds and they brought in Richard Lester, a British man, who decided to play up every stereotype of middle Americans being rednecks (I can't find any good youtubes of it, but if you watch II over again, watch how Kansas in II differs from Kansas in 1). So I'm not 100% sure but I think it was under Lester's guidance that the kinda-weird-kinda-problematic "Superman gives Lois amnesia" ending got put into II. It would also explain how we got the vengeful rear end in a top hat Superman who never got over being bullied in the past https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nu3CLQm-SI Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Drifter posted:New Beauty and the Beast looking pretty good. Momoa looks like the lion from Wizard of Oz, "pud em' uup!"
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Mar 20, 2017 20:28
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I want to go on a weekend drinking binge with Momoa. He'd drink me under the table in less than hour I'm sure, but blackout me will have loads of fun.
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Mar 20, 2017 20:31
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Drifter posted:New Beauty and the Beast looking pretty good. Uncanny 
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Mar 20, 2017 20:44
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I had assumed Henry Cavill was the Beauty he was referring to.
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Widow's peak, giant muscles, cleft chin, red + blue costume with cape .... No one's quick as Cavill! Snaps Zod's neck like Cavill! No one stands around moping all day like Cavill!
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Richard Lester is a great director in his own right (dude did A Hard Day's Night) and his cut of Superman II is superior to Donner's. Superman III is pretty fun too, if stupid and overlong.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Richard Lester is a great director in his own right (dude did A Hard Day's Night) and his cut of Superman II is superior to Donner's. Superman III is pretty fun too, if stupid and overlong. Donner's rehearsal version of how Lois proves Clark Kent is Superman. There's build up, tension, a climax, and a twist. It shows Lois being clever and lets her redeem herself in the audience's eyes for not figuring out Superman's identity earllier. Lois' dialogue trying to cheer up Clark takes on a new meaning after the twist. It gives Reeve an opportunity to switch between two personas before our very eyes. Even before he says a word, it's clear that he's given himself away by his shoulder posture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiY_EX_aT8I Lester's version has no build up and tension because it's just an accident that comes out of nowhere. It's also nonsensical because a person could conceivably trip on a fireplace without getting visible burns. Reeve turns around to switch identities, which requires less acting work. Lois isn't given an opportunity to be smart or redeem herself. There's only one good thing about it, which is the idea that by trying to salvage his Clark Kent identity (keeping his glasses from melting), Superman gives himself away in a bit of dramatic irony. But that's one check mark on the pro side and half a dozen marks on the con side. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRbenFBoPwA I haven't seen A Hard Day's Night so I can't comment on whether he's done good work elsewhere, but he was entirely wrong for this particular film, not only in his tone, but was completely outclassed by Donner in terms of directing skill. Keep in mind that Superman II was 3/4 done when the Salkinds kicked out Donner and brought in Lester, and Lester threw most of it away to remake almost all of it, but only with the laziest of superficial changes. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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20+ years of LGBT progress, as shown by a children's television franchise. Early 1990s: quote:In an announcement that will shock many of you — TO YOUR CORE — 41-year-old actor David Yost, who played the Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers‘ Billy Cranston (aka Blue Ranger), has come out. 2017: quote:THR brings word that part of Power Rangers’ human element involves the Yellow Ranger, Trini (played by actress Becky G), coming to terms with her sexual orientation. In one scene, a character assumes Trini is having “boyfriend problems,” but quickly comes to realize that she’s having “girlfriend problems.” Director Dean Israelite explains what he thinks is one of the movie’s “pivotal” moments:
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Electromax posted:US Arctic Patrol on the scene. That is just the dumbest poo poo lol
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:No one's quick as Cavill! for there's no brow as furrowed or sadly quite troubled - for a paragon you can ask any Zod, Jor, or Stan Lee and they'll tell you it's Reeve they prefer to dote on
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Superman v Aquaman! And yet his heart is tortured by the gnawing darkness in his soul. A darkness he can never reveal...
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Mar 20, 2017 22:00
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Momoa is easily one of the best celebrities ever. His instagram is him just wither working out, drinking beer, fishing or smiling with his friends and family.
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side_burned posted:I recently watched Christopher Reeves first Superman movie. It had been ages since I saw those and I was pleasantly surprised how much I enjoyed them for a late seventies Superhero movie it does not feel dated. Christopher Reeves ability to go from Superman to Clark Kent is really good; Hackman's Luther is bit campy but he really embraces the mortal man battling agod with nothing but his wits aspect of the character, everything else is very solid. The child abuse scene is uncomfortable. The inner monologue would fit better as a musical number like it was originally supposed to be.
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Steve Yun posted:Donner's rehearsal version of how Lois proves Clark Kent is Superman. There's build up, tension, a climax, and a twist. It shows Lois being clever and lets her redeem herself in the audience's eyes for not figuring out Superman's identity earllier. Lois' dialogue trying to cheer up Clark takes on a new meaning after the twist. It gives Reeve an opportunity to switch between two personas before our very eyes. Even before he says a word, it's clear that he's given himself away by his shoulder posture. Donner's version is loving stupid, it assumes Superman wouldn't be able to tell if someone shot a blank at him and not a real bullet. Lester's is great because it shows how Superman goes too far in his put-on clumsiness that he uses to convince everyone - especially Lois- that he isn't Superman because he's nervous about being cooped up in a romantic suite with her and he ends up giving away the game. The build-up co,es from the earlier scene where Lois throws herself into Niagara Falls to try and catch Clark out - one of the best scenes in the movie, which is also missing from the Donner cut, in favor of a much lamer scene where he saves a little boy that falls in. The Donner version also misses the great Bond-esque-opening with the Eiffel Tower, "General, would you care to step outside?", and it repeats the drat ending from the first movie. It's useful only as a curiosity. Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Donner's version is loving stupid, it assumes Superman wouldn't be able to tell if someone shot a blank at him and not a real bullet. Lester's is great because it shows how Superman goes too far in his put-on clumsiness that he uses to convince everyone - especially Lois- that he isn't Superman because he's nervous about being cooped up in a romantic suite with her and he ends up giving away the game. So Superman should be so hyper-aware that he realizes when a blank is shot at him but not aware enough to not trip into the mother loving fire that is right in the center of the room
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Donner's version is loving stupid, it assumes Superman wouldn't be able to tell if someone shot a blank at him and not a real bullet. Lester's is great because it shows how Superman goes too far in his put-on clumsiness that he uses to convince everyone - especially Lois- that he isn't Superman because he's nervous about being cooped up in a romantic suite with her and he ends up giving away the game. The build-up co,es from the earlier scene where Lois throws herself into Niagara Falls to try and catch Clark out - one of the best scenes in the movie, which is also missing from the Donner cut, in favor of a much lamer scene where he saves a little boy that falls in. Director's cuts I know of that are worse than the finished movie: - Donnerman - Payback - The Hobbit
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Guy A. Person posted:So Superman should be so hyper-aware that he realizes when a blank is shot at him but not aware enough to not trip into the mother loving fire that is right in the center of the room Yes. Like I said, he trips because he's play-acting too hard at being Clark Kent. Making it a character moment as opposed to a lame "gotcha" that doesn't even make sense. dont even fink about it posted:Director's cuts I know of that are worse than the finished movie: I dunno if anyone cares about this one anymore, but the Donnie Darko director's cut is insanely bad, holy poo poo. Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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