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Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Ugh I hate those things.

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Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



I hacked everything that was big because it's way faster than actually fighting them. the explosion can also take out other enemies, which is nice

you can cheese the peace parade by hacking everything so nothing even has a chance to attack your clown friends

lets hang out
Jan 10, 2015

i used critical weapons to kill everything in one hit instead of hacking

OneDeadman
Oct 16, 2010

[SUPERBIA]
Flying snakes are much more manageable if you use the pod perfect counter that more or less instagibs them.

RazzleDazzleHour
Mar 31, 2016

ankle posted:

So regarding ending E: when I first got to it, I didn't realize that I would have to wipe my save to get the real ending, and there was a lot of stuff that I hadn't done yet that I still wanted to do, so I said no. I'd like to experience the ending, but the credits sequence, while pretty amazing the first go around, was kind of long and I'd rather not go through it again to see the ending. Should I just YouTube it, or spend the time backing up my save to a flash drive and going through the whole end sequence again?

You've already seen the E ending, there's no actual content after the deletion other than the pods telling you thanks for playing

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer

OneDeadman posted:

Flying snakes are much more manageable if you use the pod perfect counter that more or less instagibs them.

I didn't realize there was a shoot oerrect counter until like 15 hours into the game. I felt so dumb. Of course there is.

Speaking of countering, how does the counter chip work?

Sam Sanskrit
Mar 18, 2007

I feel like this thread played a trick on me. Over and over again I have heard people praising 9S spear throw and talking about how underwhelming combat bracers are for him. But his hold square for combat bracers is so incredibly broken the idea anyone would use the spear instead is insane. It hits at a ramped up damage like the spear throw but hits multiple times at that damage. It's bonkers.

Edit: I guess it does not hit multiple targets so it's usage is a little different but still much more damage at a time unless you are spear throwing through a whole lot of targets.

Sam Sanskrit fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Mar 21, 2017

Supremezero
Apr 28, 2013

hay gurl

Snak posted:

I didn't realize there was a shoot oerrect counter until like 15 hours into the game. I felt so dumb. Of course there is.

Speaking of countering, how does the counter chip work?

Played MGR? It's MGR's parry.

RazzleDazzleHour
Mar 31, 2016

Snak posted:

Speaking of countering, how does the counter chip work?

You move into an enemy while perfect dodging and you'll very quickly disappear while dealing damage and stunning the enemy, then you get dropped right in front of them and can either do a finisher move or go right back into dodges. Counters seem INCREDIBLY finnickey though, I had counter equipped for most of the game but only ever actually pulled it off maybe once or twice, since normally dodging into enemies is a bad idea when you could stay on their perimeter and crowd control them

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Supremezero posted:

Played MGR? It's MGR's parry.

Speaking of which, I remember there was a really good video guide to MGR's combat that made it completely click for me as a Eureka moment. Is there one of those for this one

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer
I never played MGR

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



when an enemy is about to hit you, push the movement stick towards them and you'll perform a counter

that's what it means when it says "move towards them", or however it phrases it

Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

Speaking of which, I remember there was a really good video guide to MGR's combat that made it completely click for me as a Eureka moment. Is there one of those for this one

Wait for Chip's LP?


Snak posted:

I never played MGR

It's move the stick into the attack when it hits you, so you can just keep flicking the stick at them.

RobotDogPolice
Dec 1, 2016
If I have a gtx680 will Nier run like rear end? I also have a PS4.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



RobotDogPolice posted:

If I have a gtx680 will Nier run like rear end? I also have a PS4.

I'd get it on PS4 if you have a choice, as that'll get you a consistently good experience without the potential for weird hardware/GPU driver interactions preventing you from playing. I played through the game on an R7 360, and while I had to set most options to Low and downscale the resolution a fair bit, the game's art direction was more than able to carry it graphically despite that.

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer
Thanks​ for the help on counter.

A few more question about Route 2:

I still don't really understand 9S's attack chains. So pausing after attacking or dodging shifts him into heavy attack mode? I'm having a lot of trouble discerning the visual difference between light and heavy attacks, but I think I got it...

What is with the gold enemies? I thought it was going to be that I needed to use 9S's gold weapons to fight them, but that doesn't seem to work either so...

Is there any reason I shouldn't just use Virtuous Contract as 9S? It's my most upgraded weapon, and 2B isn't using it because it was in her 2nd weapon set.

Is there a way to change 2B's loadout?

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Snak posted:

Thanks​ for the help on counter.

A few more question about Route 2:

I still don't really understand 9S's attack chains. So pausing after attacking or dodging shifts him into heavy attack mode? I'm having a lot of trouble discerning the visual difference between light and heavy attacks, but I think I got it...

What is with the gold enemies? I thought it was going to be that I needed to use 9S's gold weapons to fight them, but that doesn't seem to work either so...

Is there any reason I shouldn't just use Virtuous Contract as 9S? It's my most upgraded weapon, and 2B isn't using it because it was in her 2nd weapon set.

Is there a way to change 2B's loadout?


1) Mashing X will perform a series of combo hits. Holding down X will instead perform a strong ranged attack.

2) Which gold enemies do you mean? Differently colored enemies are usually just upgrades from a previous tier of enemies, and you might not be hurting them either due to shielding or not striking their weak points.

3) 9S's melee attacks are not especially good, even with Virtuous Contract. I'd recommend sticking with the spear and using his strong ranged attack with it, as it's really good and helps to keep him out of the thick of combat.

4) No.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
You can use the same weapons in 9S that 2B has equipped. You can't change her gear like you can her tactics, no.

Tarezax
Sep 12, 2009

MORT cancels dance: interrupted by MORT
Gold enemies need to be hacked to damage them appreciably.

No reason not to use Virtuous Contract or any other weapon, it won't take the weapon from 2B. Unfortunately I don't think you can change 2B's loadout, but I think she is affected by any upgrades you make to the weapons she's got equipped.

ghostinmyshell
Sep 17, 2004



I am very particular about biscuits, I'll have you know.

Snak posted:

I didn't realize there was a shoot oerrect counter until like 15 hours into the game. I felt so dumb. Of course there is.

Speaking of countering, how does the counter chip work?

When the enemy is about to hit you, the glowing eyes really help, you can press towards the enemy to parry and then when you see the obvious yellow flash, hit attack and you get a lot of free hits like a dodge parry. This game is a lot nicer than MGR where you can tap forward and not get punished. It works best with melee attacks and absolutely destroys most of the bosses.

fakeedit: I'm also not surprised I can't find a video online explaining it as most people think counter is dodge into attack.

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer
Thanks, everyone, that pretty much covers it

Vermain posted:

1) Mashing X will perform a series of combo hits. Holding down X will instead perform a strong ranged attack.
that's the same as how 2B's light attacks work. I'm talking about doing heavy attacks as 9S.

lets hang out
Jan 10, 2015

Snak posted:

Thanks, everyone, that pretty much covers it

that's the same as how 2B's light attacks work. I'm talking about doing heavy attacks as 9S.

hold the dodge button and then hit the light attack button while leaving the stick neutral. easy to tell with big swords because lights are vertical and heavies are horizontal sweeps

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

Rangpur posted:

So here are some general, non-spoilery questions: do you need a specific spot from each body of water for certain fish, or is the entire thing running on the same loot table? Unrelated to that, is there also a recommended level for yourself and the weapons before taking on the 4th Father Servo quest? I completed the 3rd one with my current level 3 equipment in the mid-20s, but it took ages.
To these--which I'm still wondering about--I will also add: you can hack on demand? HOW? I've been trying to finish this dumb parade escort for like an hour now.

Intoluene
Jul 6, 2011

Activating self-destruct sequence!
Fun Shoe

Snak posted:

Thanks, everyone, that pretty much covers it

that's the same as how 2B's light attacks work. I'm talking about doing heavy attacks as 9S.

9s is a scanner unit. He doesn't have the hardware to unleash heavy attacks like 2b can. Hacking is your heavy attack.

Tarezax
Sep 12, 2009

MORT cancels dance: interrupted by MORT

Rangpur posted:

To these--which I'm still wondering about--I will also add: you can hack on demand? HOW? I've been trying to finish this dumb parade escort for like an hour now.

Be 9S, spam heavy attack button

Squidtentacle
Jul 25, 2016

Rangpur posted:

To these--which I'm still wondering about--I will also add: you can hack on demand? HOW? I've been trying to finish this dumb parade escort for like an hour now.

Hold triangle/heavy attack.

And different places will have different fish. The oil field will be mostly mechanical fish, the sewers will be junk, etc.

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

Tarezax posted:

Be 9S, spam heavy attack button
I should be annoyed by this, but that was already revealed in a Game Informer review I glanced at so :v:

Fair enough, I'll leave that one for later then.

Intoluene
Jul 6, 2011

Activating self-destruct sequence!
Fun Shoe

Rangpur posted:

I should be annoyed by this, but that was already revealed in a Game Informer review I glanced at so :v:

Fair enough, I'll leave that one for later then.

It works better just holding triangle down.

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer

lets hang out posted:

hold the dodge button and then hit the light attack button while leaving the stick neutral. easy to tell with big swords because lights are vertical and heavies are horizontal sweeps

This is more or less correct. It seems like you can perform heavy attacks 3 ways: by a short pause after a light attack, by attack while dodging, and by a shirt pause after dodging. Holding down the dodge button doesn't let you heavy attack after the pause beat is up.

Thanks for helping me figure this out. Switching to a large sword helped a lot, because my fast sword and all the shockwaves it created were making it hard to see exactly what was happening.

Edit: nm

Snak fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Mar 21, 2017

Rhonne
Feb 13, 2012

Do you want to know what we do to artists?
So who else went back and bought all the achievements before sacrificing their save file?

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money
Here's a plug in chip question, because I feel crazy. My friend swears by the shockwave chips but I kind of hate them. It feels like the shockwaves knock dudes out of sword range, am I imagining things?

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



you don't need something to be in sword range with the shockwave. once you have one that's high enough level, you'll do almost as much damage with that as you do a normal hit. it's great

tho to answer your question, I don't think that it has any more knockback than a normal hit would

Tony Montana
Aug 6, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
There is always a pile of people talking about performance issues and weird fixes and poo poo.

It's fine. The game is totally fine. I have a computer with parts that aren't 5 years old and it's completely flawless and actually because it's a PS4 game it's pretty light on system requirements.

If you are having problems with this game it is because you are poo poo and dumb.

It is as simple as 1) have a video card that was released in the last 5 years 2) have current drivers 3) not have five thousand stupid things running in the background.

Has the Apple revival resulted in this? Are there more Apple users than ever before deciding they might get a real PC and try PC games? The level of sheer technical retardation, mostly based around 'i have some ancient poo poo that was cheap and poo poo when it was new, but now it's really loving old and poo poo.. but I can't play a brand new game with it?! HOW IS THIS FAIR?!' is just amazing.

Games threads have copped more of this stupid poo poo of late.

Don't listen to spergs, PC gaming is actually really straightforward and easy. What isn't straightforward and easy is the way some losers go about it, basically adding complexity to justify the fact they can't talk about anything else. It's all bullshit. Buy a modern NVIDIA card, put Windows 10 on your machine with a fresh install and never post about technical issues in a game again. Or don't do those things but please stay the gently caress out of our games

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Tony Montana posted:

There is always a pile of people talking about performance issues and weird fixes and poo poo.

It's fine. The game is totally fine. I have a computer with parts that aren't 5 years old and it's completely flawless and actually because it's a PS4 game it's pretty light on system requirements.

If you are having problems with this game it is because you are poo poo and dumb.

It is as simple as 1) have a video card that was released in the last 5 years 2) have current drivers 3) not have five thousand stupid things running in the background.

Has the Apple revival resulted in this? Are there more Apple users than ever before deciding they might get a real PC and try PC games? The level of sheer technical retardation, mostly based around 'i have some ancient poo poo that was cheap and poo poo when it was new, but now it's really loving old and poo poo.. but I can't play a brand new game with it?! HOW IS THIS FAIR?!' is just amazing.

Games threads have copped more of this stupid poo poo of late.

Don't listen to spergs, PC gaming is actually really straightforward and easy. What isn't straightforward and easy is the way some losers go about it, basically adding complexity to justify the fact they can't talk about anything else. It's all bullshit. Buy a modern NVIDIA card, put Windows 10 on your machine with a fresh install and never post about technical issues in a game again. Or don't do those things but please stay the gently caress out of our games

Okay.

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer
Thank you, that reminds me I should go disable the keylogger that windows 10 is running by default.

Squidtentacle
Jul 25, 2016

Dude, you're at like a 9. Dial it down to a five.

Tony Montana
Aug 6, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Yep, you heard it here first.

The game is fine and runs great. Graphically its a few steps behind modern PC titles like Conan Exiles or For Honor, it certainly looks nothing like the new Tomb Raider.

So a modern gaming PC will run this while it's half-asleep. Silky smooth.

If that is not your experience then your personal computer is too much a reflection of your person (and your person sucks at computers).

Snak posted:

Thank you, that reminds me I should go disable the keylogger that windows 10 is running by default.

This is also dumb bullshit. Ignore this kind of poo poo also

Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Mar 21, 2017

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


Wasn't there talk of a sub-chip being in the game that would let you parry like in Revengeance, or did I imagine that? Is that a thing that's in the game?

Squidtentacle
Jul 25, 2016

Augus posted:

Wasn't there talk of a sub-chip being in the game that would let you parry like in Revengeance, or did I imagine that? Is that a thing that's in the game?

Yeah, look for the counter one. You'll run into it eventually.

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Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money
How do you do this race bullshit. No matter how fast I go he always gets there like a second before I do.

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