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Nina posted:I really wanna like Ending E more. Maybe when I'll replay it without the expectations I had the first time I can see it more objectively You know how a bunch of JRPGs end with the power of friendship and all your allies giving you inspirational speeches? Same thing except they are real people now 
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Mar 21, 2017 08:19
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MagicBoots posted:You know how a bunch of JRPGs end with the power of friendship and all your allies giving you inspirational speeches? Same thing except they are real people now I don't really like Ending E. It's not a happy ending. To be honest, ending C is probably Yoko Taro's happy ending. Although you can also claim that ending D is pretty happy as well.
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Mar 21, 2017 08:23
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ntan1 posted:I don't really like Ending E. It's not a happy ending.  How do you figure?
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Mar 21, 2017 08:25
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really queer Christmas posted:Also, some minor C route spoilers: "This pod has serious concerns about unit A2 cognitive abilities."
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Mar 21, 2017 08:25
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Route C spoilers Even though I found the text funny for ending U I wish the game would've told me not to leave the area when 9S is uploading your data to the bunker.
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Mar 21, 2017 08:27
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Ending M and route C spoilers: lol I fell into the cave under the tower while trying to get to pascals village and got ending M by mistake. Whoops!
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alcharagia posted:
Humanity and society is still trapped in a gigantic existential nightmare. The main two characters never really accomplished their personal goals and lie in repeat of similar follies in society.
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Mar 21, 2017 08:36
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ntan1 posted:I don't really like Ending E. It's not a happy ending. To be honest, ending C is probably Yoko Taro's happy ending. Although you can also claim that ending D is pretty happy as well. alcharagia posted:
For me: A2 is suicidal and bringing her back to life doesn't actually do anything to make her any more content, rather, the deactivation of the machine network actually removes a means of coping that she had, even if that means was pretty much not cool. Bringing her back to life is pretty cruel, as a whole. All of the YoRHa androids are programmed with an innate need for humans, to the point where 9S considers destroying the moon server to make it stop. Knowing that humanity is dead, 9S will also have to share this with 2B as well. A2 already knows. The three protagonists are the only YoRHa directly stated to have been re-constructed but that doesn't mean that the Pods don't carry on to re-construct the other YoRHa units (who were largely passive, like the S type in the Forest or the ones in the Desert), but considering that the machine network returns and begins re-constructing units, it's not impossible that the 15th Machine War begins, but using the information gathered, the Machines would eventually create machines purposely made to be able to kill 2B, 9S and A2. Basically, maybe nothing comes to pass and they all live happily, 2B certainly makes it at least 500 years past ending E, but even in a best case scenario, this is a hopeful good ending, rather than legitimately directly happy. It's probably the best you're getting from Yoko Taro, though. ntan1 posted:Humanity and society is still trapped in a gigantic existential nightmare. The main two characters never really accomplished their personal goals and lie in repeat of similar follies in society.
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municipal shrimp posted:I just finished route a and I didn't understand anything that happened at the end. Should I even bother trying to get it or will it all make sense in time with further progress? Yeah, route C is where everything happens and begins to make sense. A and B are literally treated as prologues.
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Mar 21, 2017 08:40
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municipal shrimp posted:I just finished route a and I didn't understand anything that happened at the end. Should I even bother trying to get it or will it all make sense in time with further progress? You haven't even hit the title card yet.
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Mar 21, 2017 08:50
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Ending D is the happiest ending for the machines who finally escape the vicious cycle of hollow war and potentially 9Sntan1 posted:I don't really like Ending E. It's not a happy ending. To be honest, ending C is probably Yoko Taro's happy ending. Although you can also claim that ending D is pretty happy as well. It doesn't really make me feel fulfilled either. All those side characters are still dead or suffering and I care about them way more than the main characters Nina fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Mar 21, 2017 09:25
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I just marathoned through the latter half of B and all of route C today and I'm watching the credits roll now. It's rare that you get such an excellent blending of gameplay and storytelling. It really has been a treat so far. Playing this back to back with Breath of the Wild has been one of the best series of weeks in all my decades of gaming. Even my wife (an avowed scoffer-at-games) has gotten engaged in the story. Looking forward to wrapping up the rest of the endings.
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Mar 21, 2017 09:36
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I'm still right at the beginning of the game (I just finished the amusement park and discovered the goofy robot village), and I just got hit by a gigantic influx of sidequests. Will the main plot give me some kind of heads-up if I'm about to start a quest that will fail unfinished sidequests, or should I take a session and make a point of finishing all of 'em off before I move on with the story?
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Mar 21, 2017 09:40
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wrt endings chat, spoilers for everything I'm pretty sure that between Adam's statement that the aliens were "plantlike and simple", Eve's giant Watcher tattoo, and the machines/infected units manifesting red eyes, Ending D is not a hopeful ending. The network is just another manifestation of The Flower or something like it and they are unwittingly wandering off to spread the Watcher's influence to another world. Ending E is the most hopeful as the machines have hosed off regardless and 2B, 9S, and A2 have opportunities to learn from their mistakes. The cycle of false progress is broken and the androids have a chance to build a reason to live that doesn't rely on external motivations.
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Oneavi posted:wrt endings chat, spoilers for everything I think opposite actually the way I see it the machines only manifest properties related to the Watchers because they assimilated data on humanity's downfall thanks to the Queen. They try to be like humans so in the process they also integrated vestiges of Watcher corruption. In the long run it might be dangerous but it's just another destructive thing they inherited from humans rather than something that inherently exists in their network.
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Mar 21, 2017 09:47
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Omi no Kami posted:I'm still right at the beginning of the game (I just finished the amusement park and discovered the goofy robot village), and I just got hit by a gigantic influx of sidequests. Will the main plot give me some kind of heads-up if I'm about to start a quest that will fail unfinished sidequests, or should I take a session and make a point of finishing all of 'em off before I move on with the story? There is a point in the story where all of those sidequests will fail, and it comes kinda out of nowhere. However, due to how the game is structured, you will have another chance to do (most) of those sidequests later on, and it should be pretty obvious when they fail for the second and last time. At the very end you get a chapter select so you can do anything you missed, however.
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Mar 21, 2017 09:53
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Pascal in route C spoilers: When you have a reputation for killing children, you can't just kill them and expect the audience to care. So get them to commit suicide instead! 
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Mar 21, 2017 09:54
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I'm just going to say it even though I reckon people will disagree. I don't think the main characters are very interesting. 9S is the only one who even gets a character arc and development. A lot of the side characters are fantastic and in the end I cared deeply for characters like Pascal and D&P but a lot of the time the main characters just felt like devices to keep the story going until 9S' character went somewhere and even then he was the only one.
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Mar 21, 2017 10:16
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Zinkraptor posted:There is a point in the story where all of those sidequests will fail, and it comes kinda out of nowhere. However, due to how the game is structured, you will have another chance to do (most) of those sidequests later on, and it should be pretty obvious when they fail for the second and last time. At the very end you get a chapter select so you can do anything you missed, however. Okay awesome, thanks for clarifying! 
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Nina posted:I'm just going to say it even though I reckon people will disagree. I don't think the main characters are very interesting. 9S is the only one who even gets a character arc and development. A lot of the side characters are fantastic and in the end I cared deeply for characters like Pascal and D&P but a lot of the time the main characters just felt like devices to keep the story going until 9S' character went somewhere and even then he was the only one. I haven't finished route C yet, but I agree so far. Route A,B, and some C spoilers: 2B had few lines and most of them were her just being all "emotions aren't allowed  " I didn't even care about 9S until route B. Though , I did start to like them both by the start of C. 2B dying did surprisingly upset me a bit though. Granted, I may change my opinion if the other routes change things.I am curious though, what relationship is 2B and 9S supposed to have? I was getting a sibling-like vibe from them, but uh a line towards the end of route B made me think its a bit different.
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really queer Christmas posted:I haven't finished route C yet, but I agree so far. Route A,B, and some C spoilers: You gain some context to their relationship at the end of the third route.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:14
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I got this game on Steam a little while ago and I'm completely unsurprised yet sincerely pleased that this page is basically a CIA document of spoiler tags.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:17
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The game's been available for roughly a month in English in some form or another now, so PC launch is late to the party in the grand scheme, honestly.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:31
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Yeah, I stopped reading the thread back when everyone was posting about downloading the game from psn japan and I still had to wait 3-4 weeks for my physical copy to arrive in the mail.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:33
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I haven't been reading the thread, so sorry if this has been asked a million times already, but I'm curious about side quests and the new game + system. I'm level 21, and some side quests seem clearly meant for much higher level characters (like The mad robot kungfu monk, who gets 10 levels more powerful each time you beat him) . Should I be aiming to clear all the side quests before ending the game, or are some of them meant to be done in NG+?
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Mar 21, 2017 11:42
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So, uh I found emil's home and do I want to steal the mask? That won't make a mega boss show up and murder me will it? I mean I'm stealing it as I'm typing this so it doesn't really matter, I'm going to find out in ten seconds.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:44
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Gerblyn posted:I haven't been reading the thread, so sorry if this has been asked a million times already, but I'm curious about side quests and the new game + system. You can't miss any quests so you can come back when you want to do them in the grand scheme. You'll lose progress of some quests between play throughs, but not others. Rather than worry too much about doing them all before story progresses, just move on with the story when you're ready to do so. Nuebot posted:So, uh I found emil's home and do I want to steal the mask? That won't make a mega boss show up and murder me will it? I mean I'm stealing it as I'm typing this so it doesn't really matter, I'm going to find out in ten seconds. It will make a bonus boss show up if you go back down as 9S and open a chest he puts there after you speak to him after having stolen the mask, so you are safe to take it.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:You can't miss any quests so you can come back when you want to do them in the grand scheme. You'll lose progress of some quests between play throughs, but not others. Cool, so I can just forget about ones that are annoying me and do them in another playthrough. Thanks!
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Josuke Higashikata posted:
Is suicide the only way out? I can't find a way back up the ledge.
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Nuebot posted:Is suicide the only way out? I can't find a way back up the ledge. There's a ramp on the left. Turn your flashlight on if you can't see it (L3).
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Nuebot posted:Is suicide the only way out? I can't find a way back up the ledge. There's an elevator close to your end location that will send you back near the surface and another where you come out of that which you initially took when you started your trip to your end destination. e: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/03/nier-auotomata-is-a-brillaint-takedown-of-drone-wa.html Another interesting take on NieR: Automata. Plus points for the absolute mauling of English in the URL. Would only recommend after you finish Ending E. only just realised this is a review and not an editorial Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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really queer Christmas posted:Pascal in route C spoilers: Then I went back to the village after wiping his memory and loving lost it.
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really queer Christmas posted:Ending M and route C spoilers: Same, except I got ending P after getting knocked in by a machine while running to my destination. There was no way to get out.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:58
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RanKizama posted:Didn't feel so much for the children as I did Pascal himself, which was the point. The absolute mental anguish he suffered to the point of either wanting death or a memory wipe wrecked me. He was a good leader and only did what was best for his people only to have his methods used to ruin what little he had left. He made a rookie mistake: He was a very good boy. Drakengard!
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Josuke Higashikata posted:He made a rookie mistake: He was a very good boy. Drakengard! 
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What on earth is this weird three eyed blob pod skin I'm seeing in some videos? Is it a Japanese pre-order bonus or something
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Mar 21, 2017 12:19
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Nina posted:What on earth is this weird three eyed blob pod skin I'm seeing in some videos? Is it a Japanese pre-order bonus or something It's from buying that Amazarashi e: One i too many, not bad for a guess.
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Fun fact: I saw that pod skin in some pixiv fanart way back and assumed it'd be story relevant because a scary blob with eyes would've definitely been DRAKENGARD. I was so confused when it never showed up.
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This game has some great cosmetic items, Jesus. That alien mask was the best 250k I ever spent..
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