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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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kustomkarkommando posted:Yeah its been known he's been dying for a few weeks now Even so, very sudden. Saw a video of him speaking at a Chamber of Commerce event from a few months ago and he seemed hale enough. You wouldn't have known he was going to retire in a few weeks, much less die shortly after. I am sorry to hear that he has died. I don't think that becoming a democratic leader necessarily atones for his actions in the past but he believed in the peace process and tried his best to make it work right up to the end of his career, and he deserves a lot of credit (more credit than his old pal Big Ian, certainly) for that. He was the one great constant of the last 10 years.
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Pissflaps posted:So about those reselections... he needs a haircut imo edit: i thought the guy in the picture was the candidate
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Mar 21, 2017 10:04
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Paxman posted:Sometimes, spirits in the Labour Party can run high i love corbyn chan so hard, he is so lovable
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Mar 21, 2017 10:06
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Cerv posted:ffs don't ask a comedy internet forum for advice on currency speculation ronya posted:I don't know how this ends. maybe these programmes only survive by chucking the right to privacy of welfare claimants out of the window, so that those who live in terror that someone, somewhere might be living high off the public dime can go satiate their paranoia. which is something that is rather easier to contemplate whilst in opposition, I'll admit. Fangz posted:(Quick reminder that austerity was *way* more popular in 2015 than brexit is)
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Mar 21, 2017 10:52
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Breath Ray posted:Roubles are probably best in terms of being a currency in a country you could live in which I believe was Mains first point. How much in savings are we talking though? Buy some bars of gold and bury them in your garden.
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Mar 21, 2017 10:59
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kustomkarkommando posted:
Looking at articles about him it's interesting to see who's willing to call him a terrorist and who isn't. It's only really the Mail that go all out in that regard from what I've seen.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:00
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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HJB posted:Looking at articles about him it's interesting to see who's willing to call him a terrorist and who isn't. It's only really the Mail that go all out in that regard from what I've seen. 
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Mar 21, 2017 11:03
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HJB posted:Looking at articles about him it's interesting to see who's willing to call him a terrorist and who isn't. It's only really the Mail that go all out in that regard from what I've seen. When you're further to the right than Ian Paisley jnr
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Mar 21, 2017 11:04
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Ian Paisley Jr coming out and saying "listen theres no point in going over that" and personally thanking him for saving lives due to his commitment to peace when he retired kind of embarrassed a few people and I think the obits, which have probably been ready for a bit, where probably tidied up a bit after that
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Mar 21, 2017 11:07
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Would have been interesting to see if corbyn would have got to the good Friday agreement. I bet he would have just said he was fine with Irish independence and gone back to his allotment to put a newspaper over his face and have a nice sleep.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:26
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 can whoever flicked the bizarro universe transition switch please reset it to its normal value thank you very much
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Mar 21, 2017 11:33
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LemonDrizzle posted:
This is a ~2,000 person poll of Scottish residents. Sky Data is not a member of the British Polling Council. Still, the only part of that I'm sceptical about is May's popularity though I expect she's had her popularity boosted in Scotland thanks to her response to the Section 30 pre request.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:37
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Why is May so popular? I just don't get it
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Mar 21, 2017 11:37
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baka kaba posted:
Just revisiting this comment to say I'm a dumbass 
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Mar 21, 2017 11:42
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and i must meme posted:Why is May so popular? she's giving the people what they want drat the consequences unfortunately the people are extremely dumb
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Mar 21, 2017 11:42
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Breath Ray posted:Would have been interesting to see if corbyn would have got to the good Friday agreement. I bet he would have just said he was fine with Irish independence and gone back to his allotment to put a newspaper over his face and have a nice sleep. He would probably need to check with the Army Council first.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:45
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and i must meme posted:Why is May so popular? I guess she's Carrying Out the Will of the British People? I guess once everything is Royally hosed she might suffer some flack. Maybe we just don't respond rationally to women in power. Maybe this is how Thatcher stuck around for so long.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:45
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Pissflaps posted:If you can't persuade me you can't win an election. I agree that we can't do either with Corbyn at the helm. However I'd rather that than extinguish any hope of genuine leftism in the UK for decades.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:49
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and i must meme posted:Why is May so popular? I often find that, when something many people think or believe (or don't) is something that I don't think or believe (or do), it is usually because I have sequestered myself in a bubble where everyone is more or less like-minded. Oftentimes I don't even realise that I've done it, because my own beliefs seem intuitive to me.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:49
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and i must meme posted:Why is May so popular? Cameron peaced out and she stepped in to run the country, and the other candidates were real bad She spouted a bunch of misty-eyed platitudes about helping everyone and people took it at face value She's like Boudica or some poo poo, leading the charge against the hated EU and leading Britain to its destined glorious future, also there'll be cake! For some reason people don't really care that the Tories are destroying everything anymore, they barely even have to say 'b-but the deficit' these days. Pissflaps will tell you this is all Corbyn's fault because nobody knows if a thing is bad unless Labour tells them it is
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Mar 21, 2017 11:51
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The idea that the effectiveness of an opposition is not related to how the public perceives a government is utter delusion.Jakabite posted:I agree that we can't do either with Corbyn at the helm. However I'd rather that than extinguish any hope of genuine leftism in the UK for decades. You'd rather permanent Tory governments. Got it.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:54
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and i must meme posted:Why is May so popular? I think politics right now is completely up in the air. I've never really experienced any thing like this in my lifetime. Brexit and it's aftermath seems to have divided every one to some crazy extreme. I don't think these polls are reflecting on her popularity like they would under normal circumstances. She almost has a free ride.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:56
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and i must meme posted:Why is May so popular? This qualitative study may help.
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Mar 21, 2017 12:04
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LemonDrizzle posted:
Heavily, HEAVILY, outlying poll that doesn't abide by the British Polling Council, doesn't need to reveal its raw data, and was released JUST in time for a televised debate tonight.
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Mar 21, 2017 12:08
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Pissflaps posted:The idea that the effectiveness of an opposition is not related to how the public perceives a government is utter delusion. Oppositions never win elections, it's governments that lose them. 
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Mar 21, 2017 12:15
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Coohoolin posted:Heavily, HEAVILY, outlying poll that doesn't abide by the British Polling Council, doesn't need to reveal its raw data, and was released JUST in time for a televised debate tonight. It's not heavily outlying.
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Mar 21, 2017 12:19
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why are you banned from the black people subforum?
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Mar 21, 2017 12:22
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Pissflaps posted:The idea that the effectiveness of an opposition is not related to how the public perceives a government is utter delusion. Yeah that would be pretty silly, good thing nobody said that eh! Or implied the other extreme, that public perception is entirely driven by what the opposition does, hey waiiiiit a second here
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Mar 21, 2017 12:23
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Jose posted:why are you banned from the black people subforum? I reckon you're answering your own question here
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Mar 21, 2017 12:39
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Jippa posted:I think politics right now is completely up in the air. I've never really experienced any thing like this in my lifetime. Brexit and it's aftermath seems to have divided every one to some crazy extreme. I don't think these polls are reflecting on her popularity like they would under normal circumstances. She almost has a free ride. Nobody knows what's real any more. The narrative was more tightly controlled. I guess we can blame this on the internet and also on the press no longer being "journalists" and now being entertainment things out to get the most money?
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Mar 21, 2017 12:40
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https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/844146573290364928 those monsters how dare they send in the lancasters imo they don't like it up 'em
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Mar 21, 2017 12:41
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A Sky poll? Hmmm. Yes. Next we'll be reading chicken entrails.
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Mar 21, 2017 12:43
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That's bang out of order, implying we have a plan
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Mar 21, 2017 12:44
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jabby posted:The PLP decided to respond to Brexit, possibly the biggest political event of a generation, by launching mass resignations timed to cause maximum damage to the party. A lot of people on the left aren't going to forgive that. Maybe some of the PLP can regain grudging acceptance if they threw themselves behind left-wing policies, but there's no sign of that happening. They have actively sabotaged the purpose of the Labour party - to promote socialist policies - and that shouldn't be forgotten. Wasn't that their response to corbyns intransigence?
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Mar 21, 2017 12:43
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baka kaba posted:Cameron peaced out and she stepped in to run the country, and the other candidates were real bad She's a kindly old spinster who goes to church and likes her shoes, following a fairly large toff who was a bit too smooth and out of touch even by prime minister standards. E. Sorry not spinster I meant childfree
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Mar 21, 2017 12:45
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dispatch_async posted:The hatred that New Labour grandees have for "the left" isn't something that people made up. They are extremely open about it and it long predates Corbyn 's leadership. Are they wrong? Brown and Milliband both lost, Blair won over and over.
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Mar 21, 2017 12:46
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I think the left has not really recovered from the me decade. It would be like declaring war and expecting people itt to volunteer for the trenches. People are wired differently now than those who voted in the 1950s and centre leftism is the only way to go if you want any sort of redistribution.
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Mar 21, 2017 12:50
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hakimashou posted:Are they wrong? Things were in a mess by 2005. Blair's approval ratings were through the floor and they basically only won because he promised not to serve a full term. The Tories had to pull their "Vote Blair Get Brown" ads because they made people more likely to vote Labour. Brown's big mistake was to bottle calling a snap GE when he took over and the financial crash sunk him. Miliband's loss is predominately down to continued narrative over Labour spent all the poonds (which noted dickhead Ed Balls did nothing to combat, hardly surprising considering he couldn't even hold his own seat) and fear mongering over the SNP holding the balance of power. If New Labour under Blair hadn't alienated its Scottish base then the Tories certainly wouldn't have had that stick to beat them around with.
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Mar 21, 2017 12:57
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I don't think you can hold up Scotland as an example of left wing politics being preferred over those of the centre left.
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I heard something on Radio 4 about Labour embracing patriotism and English nationalism, saying things like 'why should patriotism be left to the right?'... very concerning
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