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Pwnstar posted:The secret is to just roll with it and get real weird. "Sir, while we are in the hyper-enlightened future, Wendy's would prefer that your penis remain out of sight in this establishment, until we can prove or disprove that this is a simulation" is something you'd probably hear a lot
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Sash! posted:"Sir, while we are in the hyper-enlightened future, Wendy's would prefer that your penis remain out of sight in this establishment, until we can prove or disprove that this is a simulation" is something you'd probably hear a lot Computer, delete manager.
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I feel like everyone in the federation would carry around a holoscrambler. Of course in a sim it'd be a holographic holoscrambler. Fine, a scrambler with a secret call-response code.
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Mar 21, 2017 07:19
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Holodeck timeline never made since to me, in TNG they act like its a new crazy thing, but in DS9 Bashier and Obrien talk about playing holoprograms as children, Itchy hit a bone twice and got two different sounds am I supposed to believe this is a magic xylophone?
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socialsecurity posted:Holodeck timeline never made since to me, in TNG they act like its a new crazy thing, but in DS9 Bashier and Obrien talk about playing holoprograms as children, Itchy hit a bone twice and got two different sounds am I supposed to believe this is a magic xylophone? Maybe the holodeck is a new development that allows larger-scale programs with more participants, but it's existed in smaller forms (like holosuites) for quite some time. Also I think there's been some mention that the Galaxy-class was the first ship to be equipped with a holodeck, so maybe before that, they didn't have holo technology on ships, just on stations and planetary facilities, so maybe that part was what was so novel to them.
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I think they had holographic characters and environments and poo poo from way back but TNG S1 was when immersive could-be-reality can't tell the difference holodecks were introduced, and then the Bynar upgrade was when could-be-real characters were introduced. Then that tech rolled out everywhere crazy fast because of loving course. And a few years later holoaddiction was a major thing.
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Mar 21, 2017 07:29
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MikeJF posted:I think they had holographic characters and environments and poo poo from way back but TNG S1 was when immersive could-be-reality can't tell the difference holodecks were introduced, and then the Bynar upgrade was when could-be-real characters were introduced. No one ever gets addicted to things that aren't completely realistic. 
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Mar 21, 2017 07:42
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You could use a totem like in "Inception."
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Mar 21, 2017 08:36
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That one race on Enterprise with the date-rapist Chief Engineer lady had the holodeck technology, and they were within easy Warp 5 travel of earth.
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vermin posted:The red flag for me is them making Sarek a big deal. That's something Blizzard Entertainment does all the time and they're great at squandering good ideas. Adding Sarek to the cast is a little irritating, but far from the worst idea we've heard come out of preproduction. As a prequel set so close to TOS, you had to assume CBS would want a "classic" character to show up sooner or later. If that's the case, I'd much rather see someone like Sarek (who we've seen relatively little of) than young Spock or young Scotty, etc. And it's not as if it flies in the face of established lore; Sarek is an accomplished Federation ambassador. Early rumors and casting details have suggested some kind of major diplomatic mission involving the Klingons. It isn't too much of a stretch to assume that Sarek would be involved. I'm fully prepared for it to be awful fanwanky poo poo though.
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Fanwanky is fine as long as it's done well (Rogue One). But I have zero faith that CBS can do anything remotely like that.
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Sarek is actually moonlighting as the ship's DJ on this show. His beats are absolutely filthy.
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Tunicate posted:they had that holo-planet back in TOS as well That wasn't holograms, that was just robots.
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VitalSigns posted:That one race on Enterprise with the date-rapist Chief Engineer lady had the holodeck technology, and they were within easy Warp 5 travel of earth. When they shared it with the klingons using their maps, one of them says "I can see my house from here!"
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There was a holodeck-in-everything-but-name in TAS ('Practical Joker'), and that's good enough for me!
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VitalSigns posted:I just finished that one DS9 episode where Section 31 secretly beamed Bashir into a holodeck simulation so they could find out if the Dominion had Geordie'd him into being their unwitting agent. Considering the kind of psychiatric counseling we can expect in the future, it sounds like schizophrenia's going to get a lot worse. Holodeck psychosis is going to be a thing.
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vermin posted:Considering the kind of psychiatric counseling we can expect in the future, it sounds like schizophrenia's going to get a lot worse. Holodeck psychosis is going to be a thing. "What if I'm just a hologram programmed to think he's real?! 
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Drone posted:done well (Rogue One). lol
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skooma512 posted:Wouldn't be a Star Trek reboot without it being a mess. It's almost tradition. The only real hurdle they had while making '09 was that the Writers' Guild went on strike right before filming started, and since Abrams is a WGA member, he couldn't come up with new or altered dialogue on the set. Other than that, by all accounts it was a tremendously smooth production. That being said, the creator and executive producer of the show getting pushed out the airlock several months before production even begins is unprecedented even for Trek.
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Timby posted:The only real hurdle they had while making '09 was that the Writers' Guild went on strike right before filming started, and since Abrams is a WGA member, he couldn't come up with new or altered dialogue on the set. Other than that, by all accounts it was a tremendously smooth production.
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Nessus posted:So how did they do any dialogue adjustments? Would the WGA rules have allowed, for instance, the actors to ad-lib lines, perhaps with coughs and glances from Abrams or some other director, if refinements were needed? I believe they said in interviews they more or less did this. Abrams could OK changes in his capacity as a director but could not do things that would be considered writing new material.
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Drone posted:Fanwanky is fine as long as it's done well (Rogue One). But I have zero faith that CBS can do anything remotely like that. Since the Rogue One "fanwankery" actually deconstructs the original movie in contemporary political terms, yes it's good.
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Nessus posted:So how did they do any dialogue adjustments? Would the WGA rules have allowed, for instance, the actors to ad-lib lines, perhaps with coughs and glances from Abrams or some other director, if refinements were needed? Pretty much. Orci and Kurtzman were on the set as well because they were executive producers, and so they'd do exaggerated gestures to suggest that a scene needed to be played in a different way, or they wanted inflections done differently, things like that. But otherwise, the only thing they could do was wait for the strike to be over and re-do dialogue in ADR. Abrams did get a special dispensation from the WGA to rewrite one scene -- the bit where Kirk and Spock board the Narada and start dueling with Romulans. Originally it was going to be another fistfight sort of deal, but Abrams felt they'd gone to the brawling well too many times already since Kirk and Nero were going to eventually have fisticuffs as well -- so he went to the WGA board, made his case that he needed to change it because by the time the strike was over, it would be too late to get everyone back on the set and re-shoot it, and so they let him rewrite it to be a phaser battle.
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dont even fink about it posted:Since the Rogue One "fanwankery" actually deconstructs the original movie in contemporary political terms, yes it's good.
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Nessus posted:How do you mean? I didn't really get much novel commentary out of the movie. About the only thing novel I got was the (very brief look at) how rebellions tend to attract people from a wide range of different ideologies (ie: Mon Mothma was all snippety about Forrest Whittaker's rebel cell being extremists who commit warcrimes). But it was incredibly superficial.
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Just watched 'The Magnificent Ferengi' on the plane home. What a unexpectedly great episode! Funny, and both well-plotted and well-acted. I tend not to look at the guest star credits, so it was bothering me all episode who this fun new Vorta was.
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The_Doctor posted:Just watched 'The Magnificent Ferengi' on the plane home. What a unexpectedly great episode! Funny, and both well-plotted and well-acted. I tend not to look at the guest star credits, so it was bothering me all episode who this fun new Vorta was. Wait, Kevan? Or Iggy Pop Vorta?
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PassTheRemote posted:Wait, Kevan? Or Iggy Pop Vorta? Iggy Pop!
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I went to the Air and Space Museum today. It had something that I liked.     I'd post the ones with me in them, but I'd have to crop out my erection. By the way, it lights up for 10 minutes 3 times a day, but sadly I had just missed the last one for the day.
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Nessus posted:How do you mean? I didn't really get much novel commentary out of the movie. The familiar, culturally-ingrained and appropriated imagery of the original movie is juxtaposed with extremely obvious Middle East and terrorism allegories (among others) in order to ground, frame, and humanize the story. Just about every time something morally gray or even horrendous happens, a reference to the old standby imagery is inserted--seemingly clumsily, but actually in a way that is darkly hilarious. For example, this reframes Luke's heroic journey alongside the outwardly selfless and heroic rebellion. It turns out that they are all realpolitik bureaucrats buying and selling human lives, and would prefer a brokered political solution that allowed them to continue their way of life to a strategically hopeless holy war. According to Rogue One, we were the real dupes in Star Wars, not C-3PO--oblivious to what is actually going on in Star Wars, as far as the humanitarian and political calculus.
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dont even fink about it posted:The familiar, culturally-ingrained and appropriated imagery of the original movie is juxtaposed with extremely obvious Middle East and terrorism allegories (among others) in order to ground, frame, and humanize the story. Just about every time something morally gray or even horrendous happens, a reference to the old standby imagery is inserted--seemingly clumsily, but actually in a way that is darkly hilarious. For example, this reframes Luke's heroic journey alongside the outwardly selfless and heroic rebellion. It turns out that they are all realpolitik bureaucrats buying and selling human lives, and would prefer a brokered political solution that allowed them to continue their way of life to a strategically hopeless holy war.
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Mike the TV posted:I went to the Air and Space Museum today. It had something that I liked. I like the new restoration. I last saw the model some time ago when it was down in the gift shop and still sporting the paint job it got in the early 90s:  Can't deny that the guy who did that paint job does great work, but he added WAY too much detail that was just never there in the first place. The fans unanimously hated it, and he got a bit peeved about that as the years dragged on: ""(...) When I first started to read this topic, I had thought I was going to read something interesting. I really didn't expect my work to be described as "BUTCHERY". It has been now over 15 years since I performed the restoration, (without the aid of all the knowledge that has been acquired in those 15 years), and I have to endure in all that time since, nothing but jabs and barbs of criticism from over-opinionated fans who now have access to that knowledge. I have yet to read one compliment... any compliment, on any forum, about any aspect of my restoration. Now after all this time, I refuse to let such a "drive-by" insult such as yours go unanswered(...)"" -Ed Miarecki Source. Anyway, irrespective of all that, I'm glad the new restoration has put it back how it should be.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Adding Sarek to the cast is a little irritating, but far from the worst idea we've heard come out of preproduction. As a prequel set so close to TOS, you had to assume CBS would want a "classic" character to show up sooner or later. If that's the case, I'd much rather see someone like Sarek (who we've seen relatively little of) than young Spock or young Scotty, etc. And it's not as if it flies in the face of established lore; Sarek is an accomplished Federation ambassador. Early rumors and casting details have suggested some kind of major diplomatic mission involving the Klingons. It isn't too much of a stretch to assume that Sarek would be involved. Well since it's set 10 years before TOS and a few decades after Enterprise, it would be a stretch for some characters to not make an appearance, or at least be name dropped. Sarek is a pretty big player. I'd expect to see T'Pau if we ever go to Vulcan. T'Pol should still be alive. Shran may be. Robert April should be a Commodore/Ambassador. John GIll the historian is alive and non-Nazi at this point. A number of prominent officers from TOS should be serving as well, some in lower ranks than we saw them later--Pike, Number One, Spock, Doctors Boyce and Piper, Garth of Izar, future "Commander of Starfleet" Henry Morrow, future Admiral Cartwright, Admiral Marcus from the JJverse, future Commodores like Stone, Mendez, Wesley, Matt Decker. Like it or not, Kirk is an active officer, either in the Academy or on the Farragut depending on the exact year of the show. I'm probably leaving a few out, but we should really see some of these folks.
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Shall we start a betting pool on references to the Enterprise slash it cameoing?
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Astroman posted:Well since it's set 10 years before TOS and a few decades after Enterprise, it would be a stretch for some characters to not make an appearance, or at least be name dropped. Sarek is a pretty big player. I'd expect to see T'Pau if we ever go to Vulcan. T'Pol should still be alive. Shran may be. Robert April should be a Commodore/Ambassador. John GIll the historian is alive and non-Nazi at this point. A number of prominent officers from TOS should be serving as well, some in lower ranks than we saw them later--Pike, Number One, Spock, Doctors Boyce and Piper, Garth of Izar, future "Commander of Starfleet" Henry Morrow, future Admiral Cartwright, Admiral Marcus from the JJverse, future Commodores like Stone, Mendez, Wesley, Matt Decker. Like it or not, Kirk is an active officer, either in the Academy or on the Farragut depending on the exact year of the show. We absolutely shouldn't. A slavish insistence on callbacks to characters/events from other series just makes the universe feel smaller.
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Tsaedje posted:We absolutely shouldn't. A slavish insistence on callbacks to characters/events from other series just makes the universe feel smaller. Yeah, but these are all pretty big wheels. I mean, there's 12 Constitution Class starships in the 2250s, and they are commanded (more than likely) by Pike, Decker, Wesley, and Garth of Izar. This isn't the same Starfleet as we know in TNG where there's hundreds of ships. There's probably less than 100 Starships all told. It would be like if you had a show about the US military in Korea and then did a prequel in WWII but didn't show MacArthur, Truman, Eisenhower, etc. Also, this is pretty much what you get when you do a prequel.  That was their choice.
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Tsaedje posted:We absolutely shouldn't. A slavish insistence on callbacks to characters/events from other series just makes the universe feel smaller. Continuity is great when it's used to effectively tell an interesting story or when it's something like the 30th anniversary of your shows and you want to do something special in an era before massive shared theatrical universes were the norm. Somehow I don't think think the ST:D people are going to find the line between aggressive pandering and exhausting ignorance of the source material
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socialsecurity posted:Holodeck timeline never made since to me, in TNG they act like its a new crazy thing, but in DS9 Bashier and Obrien talk about playing holoprograms as children, Itchy hit a bone twice and got two different sounds am I supposed to believe this is a magic xylophone? Bashir, at least, would have been 22 or so when the Enterprise-D launched, so it makes sense that he could have played with one at Zek-E-Cheese or wherever and still have it be hot poo poo around Farpoint.
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