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JeffersonClay posted:It's not like you'd listen to him anyway. To wit: So considering you're making GBS threads on Democrats, does that mean that Perez doesn't share Ellison's perspective on this?
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It's almost like, he makes up his dumbass mind about poo poo first, then searches for anything that sounds like a reason to believe it? Whenever you agree with Ellison or Sanders or whatever, it's evidence you're an unthinking radical who sold his soul to the progressive wing. Whenever you disagree with them, you're either deluded, misinformed, or a hypocrite. He's been running this same play over and over since December at least.
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Kilroy posted:RATFUCKED Democrats making GBS threads on Progressives is the new Christians making GBS threads on Atheists They do it out of fear
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WillyTheNewGuy posted:So considering you're making GBS threads on Democrats, does that mean that Perez doesn't share Ellison's perspective on this?  Post or think whatever you want but don't act incensed that Ellison didn't win while simultaneously ignoring his statements on the strategy democrats should be employing. EugeneJ posted:Democrats making GBS threads on Progressives is the new Christians making GBS threads on Atheists You cretins are by no means a representative sample of progressives and that's why Keith Ellison has been calling you out. JeffersonClay fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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JeffersonClay posted:
I didn't act incensed, I was just saying that smearing fellow Democrats by saying they have more beef with Clinton than Trump is wrong. If you expect Ellison supporters to not smear Democrats, shouldn't you lead by example? I mean, if Perez disagrees with Ellison about not making GBS threads on fellow Democrats, then I guess that makes sense.
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JeffersonClay posted:You cretins are by no means a representative sample of progressives and that's why Keith Ellison has been calling you out.
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WillyTheNewGuy posted:I didn't act incensed, I was just saying that smearing fellow Democrats by saying they have more beef with Clinton than Trump is wrong. If you expect Ellison supporters to not smear Democrats, shouldn't you lead by example? I mean, if Perez disagrees with Ellison about not making GBS threads on fellow Democrats, then I guess that makes sense. I expect Ellison supporters to listen to ellison or at minimum admit that their support had nothing to do with his ideas. Kilroy posted:It's funny how pretty much every progressive and leftist on this board hates your loving guts, and I've gotten numerous PMs from people agreeing with me after arguing with you in these threads, more than I have over any other single topic on SA ever, and yet it's just this board and you're super tight with "Bernie people" IRL despite being a patronizing fuckhead to every single one of them here. So weird. Wow your crazy poo poo has attracted "numerous" fellow travelers I am undone. JeffersonClay fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:That's not what he said bud i agree, bernie sanders' propping up ben jealous as a spokesperson was highly problematic
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JeffersonClay posted:I expect Ellison supporters to listen to ellison or at minimum admit that their support had nothing to do with his ideas. My support of Ellison had almost nothing to do with his "ideas." It had much more to do with who he would owe his job to. You know, the way politics actually works?
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JeffersonClay posted:I expect Ellison supporters to listen to ellison or at minimum admit that their support had nothing to do with his ideas. So does Perez advocate the same thing Ellison does? If so then you are doing, right now, what you are accusing them of. So basically, to me Perez and Ellison look pretty similar so I gotta assume they are on the same page about this.
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The Kingfish posted:My support of Ellison had almost nothing to do with his "ideas." It had much more to do with who he would owe his job to. You know, the way politics actually works? It's too bad the leftists who stayed home didn't have your acute political sense. WillyTheNewGuy posted:So does Perez advocate the same thing Ellison does? If so then you are doing, right now, what you are accusing them of. So basically, to me Perez and Ellison look pretty similar so I gotta assume they are on the same page about this. Ellison: Calling Hillary corrupt is bad it validates 25 years of Republican bullshit. Me: Guys, Keith Ellison is saying drop your Clinton hateboner and focus on Trump. You: Who's attacking democrats now?  I understood the argument the first time you made it and it hasn't gotten any better after the second iteration. JeffersonClay fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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JeffersonClay posted:Wow your crazy poo poo has attracted "numerous" fellow travelers I am undone. 
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Kilroy posted:It's funny how pretty much every progressive and leftist on this board hates your loving guts, and I've gotten numerous PMs from people agreeing with me after arguing with you in these threads, more than I have over any other single topic on SA ever, and yet it's just this board and you're super tight with "Bernie people" IRL despite being a patronizing fuckhead to every single one of them here. So weird. You really need to stop trying to speak for all progressives and leftists, even just all the ones on this board, because you do not accurately represent them. I don't really have the same hateboner for him as you, and I know other leftists that don't either. We just don't want to have to relitigate the same poo poo over and over again.
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JeffersonClay posted:It's too bad the leftists who stayed home didn't have your acute political sense. I guess you're right - Hillary's problem wasn't corruption anyway. After 25 years of effective GOP smears, to have campaigned at all was simply hubris.
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7c Nickel posted:You really need to stop trying to speak for all progressives and leftists, even just all the ones on this board, because you do not accurately represent them. I don't really have the same hateboner for him as you, and I know other leftists that don't either. We just don't want to have to relitigate the same poo poo over and over again.
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Mar 21, 2017 06:38
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TO the lefties here who say this battle is winnable, I say it is. If it wasn't Perez wouldn't have had to dirty deal to win, if it was, we wouldn't be taking over state parties, if it was we wouldn't have Machin running scared, if it was, Bernie wouldn't be so popular. We can do this, this will of course mean ensuring our enemies like BI NOW, like JC, like Fulchrum are made to never ever again want to vote for us. BUt it can be done. That really is a crime against humanity. Oh and this sums up the thought processes of the enemies. 
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JeffersonClay posted:You wanted desperately for him to run the DNC. And yet now that he's telling you to stop making GBS threads on Clinton and focus on Trump he's been co-opted by the corporatists. How convenient for your victim complex. I did want him to run for chair of DNC. I am focused on trump We can chew gum and walk at the same time.
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Mar 21, 2017 11:12
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JeffersonClay posted:
Oh poo poo guys, we are the cretins, not the people who allowed the democrats to lose nationally and get ridiculously rich while doing so
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Mar 21, 2017 11:15
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Centrists are just really angry progressives are rightfully dunking on their anointed candidate. Can you imagine working for that campaign or donating them money and then they turn around and throw some lavish party with it and lose to Dangerous Donald. Lmao
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Mar 21, 2017 11:19
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There was definitely a disgusting taint of Islamophobia to Perez's (And Saban's and Dershiowitz's) win.
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JeffersonClay posted:It's too bad the leftists who stayed home didn't have your acute political sense. "Focusing on Trump" necessarily includes shutting down any chance that the candidate who ran such a garbage campaign that she lost every state in the Rust Belt and Florida or anyone in her orbit has any influence whatsoever going forward on party strategy or goings-on.
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Just lmao at the idea of the senate and Texas turning blue How arrogant was the campaign to believe that since they had the most money raised ever they would win the election lmao
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I think that the Senate was potentially winnable but yeah wasting time thinking the South was at all going to refute Trump and at the expense of the rust belt was absolutely stupid.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Just lmao at the idea of the senate and Texas turning blue The senate not turning blue was an even bigger upset than Trump winning. They lost senate races that were just completely stunning to anyone who had been paying attention.
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mcmagic posted:There was definitely a disgusting taint of Islamophobia to Perez's (And Saban's and Dershiowitz's) win. Thank God democratic luminaries like Dershowitz are crossing the aisle to help President Trump implement centrist policies, like the Muslim Ban. quote:And he complained about leaks coming from inside the federal government, saying they were the bigger story than his recent claims about being wiretapped by former President Barack Obama at Trump Tower and “even going into the statutory authority of how to deal with them,” according to Alan Dershowitz, who was at Mar-a-Lago and spoke to the president at length there.
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mcmagic posted:The senate not turning blue was an even bigger upset than Trump winning. They lost senate races that were just completely stunning to anyone who had been paying attention. Has there been any analysis into why that was the case? I agree it's probably the bigger upset (and if the Democrats had taken it Trump's Presidency would be an even bigger joke) but there's a lot more people talking about the Presidency since that election was much more visible.
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dems allowed loving trumpish muslim-hatred to be spread by alan dershowitz amongst the delegates. way to go guys, doing a bang up job of resisting trump already.
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Condiv posted:dems allowed loving trumpish muslim-hatred to be spread by alan dershowitz amongst the delegates. way to go guys, doing a bang up job of resisting trump already. If by resist you mean invest the huge wads of cash we got from that shitshow of a campaign into the soon-to-be-gone stock market and commodities, then yea, we're totally resisting 
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JeffersonClay posted:It's too bad the leftists who stayed home didn't have your acute political sense.\ Ah, there they are again. The true and rightful targets of JC's ire, the vile Leftists Who Stayed Home. Tell us again, JC, how the Leftists Who Stayed Home are the ones who betrayed your precious candidate. Tell us of their hateful thoughts, their plans and plots, their evil plans to RAAAT FUUUUCK the white house from space via Russia. When you're done, find some data to back up your assertion that any leftists at all stayed home for 2016, and/or that it had any effect whatsoever on your idiot grandmother losing.
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mcmagic posted:The senate not turning blue was an even bigger upset than Trump winning. They lost senate races that were just completely stunning to anyone who had been paying attention. The fact that someone like Feingold lost, and by a larger amount than Hillary lost by in Wisconsin shows you how far right/left the country really is. Anyone who thinks Democrats lost because the party was too centrist, and a true liberal would have cleaned house needs to look at the Wisconsin senate race and see how nonsense that idea is. If this election was really all about Hillary being bad, Feingold would have won Wisconsin while Hillary lost, but he didn't.
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I thought the narrative was Clinton lost because her squishy centrism didn't motivate enough democrats to turn out to vote. Is it too much of a logical leap to conclude that the democrats who stayed home because centrism sucks must hold leftist views? I don't see how you can present a coherent alternative without veering deep into no true leftist territory. If you're arguing that there's no evidence that Clinton failed to turn out left leaning democrats I guess I agree.
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TyrantWD posted:The fact that someone like Feingold lost, and by a larger amount than Hillary lost by in Wisconsin shows you how far right/left the country really is. Anyone who thinks Democrats lost because the party was too centrist, and a true liberal would have cleaned house needs to look at the Wisconsin senate race and see how nonsense that idea is. If you stay home and don't vote for Hillary, it ends up affecting the downticket races too. A lot of Obama voters stayed home.
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TyrantWD posted:The fact that someone like Feingold lost, and by a larger amount than Hillary lost by in Wisconsin shows you how far right/left the country really is. Anyone who thinks Democrats lost because the party was too centrist, and a true liberal would have cleaned house needs to look at the Wisconsin senate race and see how nonsense that idea is. Probablynot a good idea to run the same guy who lsot again. Especially when he can be attacked as the architect of Obamacare.
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WampaLord posted:If you stay home and don't vote for Hillary, it ends up affecting the downticket races too. A lot of Obama voters stayed home. If strong progressives only care about the presidency and don't care about voting for progressives in the senate and house then a strategy constructed around engaging them is going to have some big problems in midterm elections.
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TyrantWD posted:The fact that someone like Feingold lost, and by a larger amount than Hillary lost by in Wisconsin shows you how far right/left the country really is. Anyone who thinks Democrats lost because the party was too centrist, and a true liberal would have cleaned house needs to look at the Wisconsin senate race and see how nonsense that idea is. The general election is largely a referendum on the presidential race and Hillary campaigned to win the votes of moderate republicans. These moderate republicans voted for her out of fear of Dangerous Donald and voted straight ticket (R) otherwise because they are still moderate republicans. The democratic base stayed home because they didn't give a poo poo about Hillary.
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JeffersonClay posted:If strong progressives only care about the presidency and don't care about voting for progressives in the senate and house then a strategy constructed around engaging them is going to have some big problems in midterm elections. This isn't a "strong progressives" thing, this is a "most voters" thing. Downballot races are not the reason most voters turn out to vote. If you are staying home because the top of the ticket has left you feeling underwhelmed, you're not going to go "But I should at least vote for my Senate race!"
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TyrantWD posted:The fact that someone like Feingold lost, and by a larger amount than Hillary lost by in Wisconsin shows you how far right/left the country really is. Anyone who thinks Democrats lost because the party was too centrist, and a true liberal would have cleaned house needs to look at the Wisconsin senate race and see how nonsense that idea is. That state is the epicenter of the most regressive right wing politics. It has been turning red for a while now.
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JeffersonClay posted:I thought the narrative was Clinton lost because her squishy centrism didn't motivate enough democrats to turn out to vote. Is it too much of a logical leap to conclude that the democrats who stayed home because centrism sucks must hold leftist views? I don't see how you can present a coherent alternative without veering deep into no true leftist territory. Only insofar as "government should do something for the people it represents" is a leftist view. Which to be fair it is increasingly becoming. Hey, JeffersonClay, remember how Hillary campaigned on offering the disenfranchised nothing more than "trump bad" and your takeaway from that was that her campaign was too pluralistic?
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