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hakimashou posted:communists in tyool 2017 have brain problems if you believe hard enough the seas will become lemonade
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oohhboy posted:You warned it was bad and it's worse than I imagined. next to? mao was way worse than hitler, no question. hell aside, mao died in bed at an old age, no doubt feeling a deep sense of satisfaction at all that he'd accomplished, happy with the life he'd led. at least hitler shot himself in the head as his whole world crumbled and burned around him. when people talk about going back in time to kill hitler i'm like no way. kill loving mao
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Imperialist Dog posted:I finished the chapter on children during the Great Leap Forward. Me Chinese. Me play joke. CCP starved a million folk.
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Murray Mantoinette posted:Me Chinese. Me play joke. 
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Mar 21, 2017 13:10
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making someone bury their kid seems a waste when you could eat them
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Mar 21, 2017 13:14
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Every year there's a book fair in Chicago called Printer's Row and one of the local Maoist-third world presses comes out and sells flyers. I got into argument with them once because they were passing out a flyer-questionaire that was full of things like "Which state had a higher infant mortality rate during the great leap forward? US or China?" and "Did you know that the number of doctors dramatically improved during the great leap forward?" I am lefty as gently caress but there are actual good causes and so forth you can point to as examples of the basic decency of humankind. Why do you have to try and push the great leap forward as an awesome thing.
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Mar 21, 2017 13:25
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Jose posted:making someone bury their kid seems a waste when you could eat them What if you made them bury their kid alive, and also laugh and tell jokes at the same time?
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Mar 21, 2017 13:40
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Murray Mantoinette posted:Me Chinese. Me play joke. Only a million? CCP apologist spotted.
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Mar 21, 2017 13:49
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Imperialist Dog posted:Only a million? CCP apologist spotted. Chinese doesn't have a generic plural.
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Mar 21, 2017 13:53
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Jeoh posted:maoism is 70% good, 30% mao I can get down with this. I'm sure Marx and Engels would be appalled at what Mao did in the name of communism. Even the founders of the Chinese Communist Party would disavow him if they hadn't died during the wars.
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Mar 21, 2017 13:57
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Grand Fromage posted:Chinese doesn't have a generic plural. Come on we both know it does. How long is the great wall, and how long should the Emperor live?
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Mar 21, 2017 13:59
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Jeoh posted:maoism is 70% good, 30% mao I have a nice chili recipe for you. It only contains 30% dogshit.
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Universe Master posted:I have a nice chili recipe for you. It only contains 30% dogshit. You just reminded me of another Great Leap Forward starvation story. Thanks a lot 
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Mar 21, 2017 14:14
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How many people is Mao directly responsible for the deaths of both intentionally and unintentionally? Like stupid stuff including the famine after killing sparrows
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Mar 21, 2017 14:16
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What was his beef with sparrows anyway?
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Mar 21, 2017 14:18
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Collateral Damage posted:What was his beef with sparrows anyway? He claimed they ate crops but it turns out they were keeping actual crop-eating pests in check.
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Mar 21, 2017 14:19
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There's no good records on numbers but I've never seen any legitimate one under 30 million deaths.Collateral Damage posted:What was his beef with sparrows anyway? He decided sparrows ate the crops because he was a loving idiot, and then whoops turns out they eat the bugs which actually eat the crops and now our famine is worse. 
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Mar 21, 2017 14:20
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One of the best foreign teachers I had in China summed up Mao by saying his family were prosperous farmers and as a result he thought he knew everything about farming. Sure let's draft all the peasants to build dams in the winter, I remember not doing anything then so they must not be busy. Birds eat seeds, I think I remember that, kill all birds! It's not that hard to grow food we'll just tell people to work harder.
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Mar 21, 2017 14:26
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So, Trump when you replace money with people killed.
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Mar 21, 2017 14:30
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Grand Fromage posted:There's no good records on numbers but I've never seen any legitimate one under 30 million deaths. How can you doubt the wisdom of farmers? Down to earth folk who intuitively know what's up.
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Mar 21, 2017 14:33
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He also had the grand idea of something called close cropping and deep ploughing. Close cropping means that instead of giving each plant room to grow, you sow as many seeds as possible so they all choke each other and die. Deep ploughing means you put in the seed as deep as you can, so the plant will grow stronger and bigger or something like that. Of course when cadres and other party officials supervise the ploughing the farmers were terrified and ploughed as deep as they could, sometimes down to the bedrock. This meant that nothing at all grew and a lot of the soil was destroyed or rendered infertile. Also the people supervising the Ddam construction had no idea what they were doing, and many of the dams didn't work, or fell apart, or had the opposite intended effect on water control, meaning that the plants had no water to grow.
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Mar 21, 2017 14:35
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Mao was big the idea that when enough people came together all you needed was the political will to make something happen and it would just sort itself out During the first stage of the PRC's nuclear program they were getting a lot of assistance from the USSR, and apparently the Soviet technicians wouldn't actually explain how the machines worked to their Chinese counterparts (the Soviets wanting to keep the Chinese on a short leash in order to maintain their dominance), so orders came down from the top to just start taking poo poo apart to see how it worked. So imagine the scene of a bunch of Russians who've been sent off to Inner Mongolia as tech advisors and given strict orders from Khrushchev to jealously guard the secrets of how the enrichment process actually works, and a bunch of Chinese guys who've been assigned to shadow them and given strict orders from Mao to loving do whatever guys I don't care just figure out how it works.
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I'm sure this has been posted here before but I was reading old longform articles and I ran across one about Chinese business culturequote:As Zheng details in her book, getting overly sentimental or romantic toward women is seen as a sign of weakness and lack of masculinity. If a businessman is unfortunate enough to love his wife or girlfriend, using it as an excuse to avoid sex is a massive faux pas. Ive seen some instead plead tiredness or drunkenness, a more acceptable excuse, or use everyones 2 am exhaustion as a chance to slip away. Yet its not unknown, according to sex workers, for men who have retired with the girls for the night to pay for special services the next morning that they never received, instead spending the night watching television or sleeping chastely. http://www.chinafile.com/reporting-opinion/postcard/bro-code evidently getting so drunk you puke and then watching your flabby middle aged boss rail a wan, dead-eyed KTV girl is critical for conducting any kind of transaction. i mean I knew about the whole boys culture associated with Chinese business but lmao at the descriptions this person does
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Jose posted:How many people is Mao directly responsible for the deaths of both intentionally and unintentionally? Like stupid stuff including the famine after killing sparrows The wikipedia page for "List of campaigns of the Communist Party of China" conveniently goes year/name/description/number of deaths. Take the lowball on everything and it's still more than Japan killed, and they were trying pretty hard.
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Mar 21, 2017 15:26
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Frog Act posted:as in the 2007 photos of one group of pasty officials leaked online in 2012.
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Mar 21, 2017 15:37
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I'm in the room next to my professor and he's on speaker phone coordinating international students from Chengdu university, and he's talking about making sure they have special access to kitchens because everyone knows they won't eat American food. lmao
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Mar 21, 2017 15:46
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I forgot which one of the "better" party bigwigs it was (Liu Shaoqi or Lin Biao?), but when people in the inner circles showed up with oedema, it was impossible to hide from the leadership that something went terribly wrong. They heard reports about people starving and all that, but that wasn't deemed credible, because all the statistics showed that people should be swimming in food by now. So the dude goes on inspection to his home village and finds a postapocalyptic wasteland with starving people, naked and in rags silently staring at him. Ofc, he breaks down crying, telling the people that he didn't know. Not to spoil everything, but that and the aftermath are pretty much the best parts of the book. What I always found especially interesting about the way how information is handled, is how Mao and his radical buddies manage to create an environment from the roots upwards, where dogma overrules everything. It sort of reminds of a witchhunt.
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Mar 21, 2017 15:57
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Collateral Damage posted:Appropriate typo. What typo? Does the CCP really have pastry officials?
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They might be meant to be patsy officials, but I don't think it's a typo either...
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HerStuddMuffin posted:What typo? Does the CCP really have pastry officials? One currently leads North Korea.
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mojo1701a posted:One currently leads North Korea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObpcGNCU944
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webmeister posted:They might be meant to be patsy officials, but I don't think it's a typo either... Huh? They're talking about how group sex photos leaked. When they say pasty officials they mean they are dudes who do not have tans. Photos of people having sex generally show them naked.
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Dr.Radical posted:Huh? They're talking about how group sex photos leaked. When they say pasty officials they mean they are dudes who do not have tans. Photos of people having sex generally show them naked. If they're anything like western men in positions of power I'm going to guess they're pasty fat dudes with body issues who kept their clothes on.
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The thing that irritates me about Dikötter is that he takes a human and systematic tragedy and somehow decides to go all loving in on the former part to the great lack of the latter. The Great Leap forward was a horrible clusterfuck on numerous levels but he decides to go so revisionist that even the people who said that the victims of the famine during the great leap forward had it "worse than the slaves in Auschwitz" who thought Mao was Satan incarnate still found him a bit off. You can point at the retarded things he's supported before (the man is pro-Opium lol) but the biggest problem with it is that all it does is perpetuate ongoing western narratives about the Great Leap, it doesn't really give any further or new insight into the subject, making him little better than the people that claim that "actually Mao didn't know anything about the terrible things that happened and was super sad when he found out, turns out that he's still great~" He engages in some incredibly shoddy academic work in favour of sensationalism, which I think is a drat shame because there is definitely room for good works on the anti-Mao side that aren't hysterical and this sure as gently caress ain't it. Mao deserves to be shat on for things he really did and not made into some sort of incarnation of the evils of communism
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Benagain posted:I got into argument with them once because they were passing out a flyer-questionaire that was full of things like "Which state had a higher infant mortality rate during the great leap forward? US or China?"
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Imperialist Dog posted:I finished the chapter on children during the Great Leap Forward. I knew it was going to be bad, but like every chapter in the book, I didn't know it was going to be this bad. As I have two young children myself, imagining the horrors described in the book happening to my progeny turned my stomach, and after each page I wanted to stop reading and skip the whole chapter. I forced myself through it. Be warned, if you have kids you may not want to read the next few paragraphs. kill all party members string them up from the lampposts
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the same organization responsible for that is still in charge of china and every week they receive blowjobs from the press
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The whitewashing of the chinese government in the west has been really depressing and infuriating. It got to the point in Vancouver where the whole city council and mayor donned red bandanas and raised a communist chinese flag over city hall in a stirring patriotic ceremony and they were baffled why people were a bit upset about that, must just be anti-chinese racism. Wait, most of the people upset are chinese?! But, but the chinese government and people are a united civilization state with a beautiful culture and efficient open-for-business government we can learn from!! His long term partner is mainland chinese and comes from a family so openly corrupt her mother was recently executed for corruption. This is a mayor who for years has downplayed the effect of chinese money laundering via the vancouver real estate market as a non-issue only racists are worried about.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:the man is pro-Opium lol Have you considered that opium is cool and good
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Guys it was really Maos wife who was the bad one. Just ask anyone in China.
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