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Tallgeese posted:You know for a fact that if it happened to Trump and not Clinton the people currently complaining would not be. That's what I am driving at, it reads as self-serving. Yeah that's probably true for like 95% of them I still think that for the senate first past the post is dumb. Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Most of the people in the city try to get the gently caress out due to it being a disgusting, angry place depends on the city 
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Mordor She Wrote posted:I mean, I could pull a rural Wisconsin and just get high on heroin, drink and beat my significant other to vent my frustrations. You're trolling now but dammit it's getting me riled up all the same
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Mar 21, 2017 18:00
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USSAr posted:cities are so progressive that the minorities are purposefully relegated to the poorer areas of the city Lmao, I never considered this but yah, the city is the most stratified, class based environment there is, try to look a certain way and walk into a nice building downtown, you'll have security on you in milliseconds
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Mar 21, 2017 18:03
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Tallgeese posted:Again, the issue is in how you present the argument. I could equally argue that celebrating the EC as the winners is self serving.
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Mar 21, 2017 18:03
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Poor people in the city literally get stepped over as they lay dying of cold and starvation But what enlightened creatures live here
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Mar 21, 2017 18:05
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Toadvine posted:Your classicism is misguided. Do you really think poor folks choose to be poor? They voted away chances at healthcare and education so they can get news job in favor of Trump's policy of gently caress you give me money, so in the case of rural America, yes.
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Mar 21, 2017 18:05
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Moridin920 posted:lol yeah It's an important lesson about pandora box. if you crack open a door for "legitimate reasons", dont be surprised when someone who didn't think those reasons were legitimate proceeds to completely remove the hinges ands and poo poo in your entryway. We'd be so much better off if gerrymandering were illegal instead of something meant to be carefully curated.
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Mar 21, 2017 18:06
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I've spent almost equal portions of my life in urban and rural environments and classism is real loving stupid. People just try to make money and hope they can make their lives better. Where you live or better income doesn't give you moral superiority and anybody that believes it does is an idiot. ^^^^^Yeah gerrymandering is bad. I wish there were a way to outlaw it and lobbying. But both benefit all politicians so that'll never happen. Honky Dong Country fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Panzeh posted:I could equally argue that celebrating the EC as the winners is self serving. You could, but you're advocating for a change and they aren't. The onus is on you to convince others, and I am simply telling you that you do a very poor job. The fact you were unable to counter my questioning of your earnestness proves my point for me.
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Mar 21, 2017 18:07
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Panzeh posted:I could equally argue that celebrating the EC as the winners is self serving. It is but it happens every time. The Dems and their supporters were actually deploying journalists to sing it's praises right before the election because they thought the election might go the other way. Ultimately when you look at the system independent of the 2 parties and your own preferences it makes sense why they do it that way. The entire point of the US government and the Constitution was to set up legal protections for people who weren't used to having them previously.
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Honky Dong Country posted:I've spent almost equal portions of my life in urban and rural environments and classism is real loving stupid. People just try to make money and hope they can make their lives better. Where you live or better income doesn't give you moral superiority and anybody that believes it does is an idiot. It's a powerful illusion friend and it's hard not to fall under the spell
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Mordor She Wrote posted:They voted away chances at healthcare and education so they can get news job in favor of Trump's policy of gently caress you give me money, so in the case of rural America, yes. I don't believe you actually grew up in the heart of it if you think the hard working but still in poverty folks comprising the rust belt wouldn't vote for a sliver of a chance at gainful employment. Do you also have disdain for inner city minorities similarly gripped by drug epidemics who don't bother to vote?
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Mar 21, 2017 18:09
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Honky Dong Country posted:I've spent almost equal portions of my life in urban and rural environments and classism is real loving stupid. People just try to make money and hope they can make their lives better. Where you live or better income doesn't give you moral superiority and anybody that believes it does is an idiot. nice try bud now that i'm grown up and live in a city i can pay money 2 drink bad coffee on the reg ipso facto
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Mar 21, 2017 18:10
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Moridin920 posted:Because they see the juxtaposition between winning the popular vote but still losing anyway and they get mad about it. And it's only happened 40% of the time since 2000
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scrubs season six posted:And it's only happened 40% of the time since 2000 Yeah but Bush wasn't because of the EC, Bush was because voter fraud and disenfranchisement in FL. And if the Dems didn't throw the working class overboard while insisting the economy is fine and we're at full employment welp they might not have lost "the Blue Wall." Neither of those two things is the fault of the EC.
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Toadvine posted:I don't believe you actually grew up in the heart of it if you think the hard working but still in poverty folks comprising the rust belt wouldn't vote for a sliver of a chance at gainful employment. I lived in nowhere Wisconsin where the most people could hope for was a lovely factory that paid 11$ and you got two sick days a year and Kwik Trips, which were the best chance for anyone who couldn't leave. And anecdotal experience is people vote based on the following "I'm scared of Muslims" "MEXICANS!!!!!!!!" "Did you know Obama's middle name is Huessain" and "Police should be able to execute minorities at will" They've been duped and will continue to be duped forever, because they are irrecoverably dumb. I hold disdain for anyone who doesn't vote, but the inner city minority has more of an excuse with really poo poo access to voting.
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Mar 21, 2017 18:16
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this isnt about the inner city, it's about how trump is a very bad president and his supporters are very dumb
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how did Obama win over so many of those same voters if they're beyond help and too stupid to bother reaching
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Toadvine posted:how did Obama win over so many of those same voters if they're beyond help and too stupid to bother reaching
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Toadvine posted:how did Obama win over so many of those same voters if they're beyond help and too stupid to bother reaching Obama got almost the exact same number of votes in 2012 as Clinton got, as for why she didn't get the same number of votes in the rust belt, I don't know, people could have moved, people could have used that four years to decide to huff a bunch of paint and be convinced by Trump's bigly message.
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Toadvine posted:how did Obama win over so many of those same voters if they're beyond help and too stupid to bother reaching Obviously they're too stupid to be consistent E; or consistently stupid enough to follow whoever tells them the feel-goodest lies about the future
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I'm not going to try to understand or relate to those people. They should understand that I know what is best for them. But instead they don't do what I want. It's not because they can literally smell my contempt for them wafting off of me, but because they're either ivory tower shitheads or racist methheads. I hate them for not doing what I, the only smart voter, want them to do. There's a 0% chance that I'm as dumb and gullible as every other voter because my choice of candidate couldn't possibly be a lying sack of poo poo.
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Toadvine posted:how did Obama win over so many of those same voters if they're beyond help and too stupid to bother reaching Uh duh, his cousin Osama Tim Laden or whatever pulled the ol' New York Cow Tipper and that started the process of getting O'Bummer into the white house. His deth-reign was planned long before you were even born. It's like you aren't even listening when Alex Jones shouts the truth at you.
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Mordor She Wrote posted:Obama got almost the exact same number of votes in 2012 as Clinton got, as for why she didn't get the same number of votes in the rust belt, I don't know, people could have moved, people could have used that four years to decide to huff a bunch of paint and be convinced by Trump's bigly message. Hint: people felt that the Dems totally threw them overboard and it was a 'gently caress you' vote Or you know yeah maybe you're right maybe the entire population moved and switched places with a bunch of people from the South which still went red anyway that makes sense.
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Honky Dong Country posted:I'm not going to try to understand or relate to those people. They should understand that I know what is best for them. But instead they don't do what I want. It's not because they can literally smell my contempt for them wafting off of me, but because they're either ivory tower shitheads or racist methheads. I hate them for not doing what I, the only smart voter, want them to do. There's a 0% chance that I'm as dumb and gullible as every other voter because my choice of candidate couldn't possibly be a lying sack of poo poo. Show me a candidate willing to say we're all going to die in a Mad Max hellscape and I'll cast my first honest vote ever.
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Moridin920 posted:Hint: people felt that the Dems totally threw them overboard and it was a 'gently caress you' vote That's not doing much to persuade me off my point of "they are irrecoverably stupid"
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Mordor She Wrote posted:That's not doing much to persuade me off my point of "they are irrecoverably stupid" I mean it's stupid to vote for Trump, that's true. But imagine how stupid it is to nominate and run someone capable of losing to him.
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i get those people no i get u people
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Mordor She Wrote posted:That's not doing much to persuade me off my point of "they are irrecoverably stupid" Well they weren't wrong about the Dems throwing them overboard and there seems to be quite a few leftists looking around and going "wtf is this garbage you are feeding us" so all in all  Maybe time for Pelosi and Clinton and Co to get the gently caress out and let some fresh blood in if they actually give a poo poo about anything other than their own power and hooking up their rich friends. new phone who dis posted:I mean it's stupid to vote for Trump, that's true. But imagine how stupid it is to nominate and run someone capable of losing to him. lol
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lol imagine voting 4 trump and being like y eah that was a good choice 2 vote for turkmenbashi
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Piss de Bundy posted:this isnt about the inner city, it's about how trump is a very bad president and his supporters are very dumb Checks out.
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Country people are loving dumb but so are city people. Hope this helps
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Moridin920 posted:Well they weren't wrong about the Dems throwing them overboard and there seems to be quite a few leftists looking around and going "wtf is this garbage you are feeding us" so all in all I don't..see how Clinton was that awful of candidate, she was third term Obama without charisma. Like Bernie was the infinitely preferable option, but we didn't get him as a choice, so the electorate decides to poo poo the bed and vote for someone who is really going to throw them overboard.
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what if we just let the principal do his job so the school doesnt burn down trump voter: what if...the JANITOR was in charge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mordor She Wrote posted:I don't..see how Clinton was that awful of candidate, she was third term Obama without charisma. Like Bernie was the infinitely preferable option, but we didn't get him as a choice, so the electorate decides to poo poo the bed and vote for someone who is really going to throw them overboard. You don't see why rust belt people may have had problems with NAFTA and TPP queen Hillary Clinton? The Dems ratfucked Sanders and paid the price. The price is 4 years of this clown show. Maybe 8 if they insist on keeping all the losers in place. If Hillary runs again be prepared for the same result.
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Mordor She Wrote posted:I don't..see how Clinton was that awful of candidate, she was third term Obama without charisma. Like Bernie was the infinitely preferable option, but we didn't get him as a choice, so the electorate decides to poo poo the bed and vote for someone who is really going to throw them overboard. Here we see a person without charisma attempt to devalue the absolute necessity of charisma to sell your ideas.
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Mordor She Wrote posted:I don't..see how Clinton was that awful of candidate, she was third term Obama without charisma. Like Bernie was the infinitely preferable option, but we didn't get him as a choice, so the electorate decides to poo poo the bed and vote for someone who is really going to throw them overboard. a third term obama is the problem. without the charisma people weren't easily swayed with empty promises. it would be another four years of absolutely nothing happening at all beyond broken promise after broken promise. candidate obama was cool, president obama was lame and a coward
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Tallgeese posted:Here we see a person without charisma attempt to devalue the absolute necessity of charisma to sell your ideas. Lol
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new phone who dis posted:You don't see why rust belt people may have had problems with NAFTA and TPP queen Hillary Clinton? Going back to my original point, Trump supporters are actually retarded. Tallgeese posted:Here we see a person without charisma attempt to devalue the absolute necessity of charisma to sell your ideas. Enjoy voting for lovely celebrities then.
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