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Josuke Higashikata posted:Thanks for this post, it's good to see these kind of impressions from someone who speaks both languages, and not just because they trend towards supporting what I thought. I work as a translator so I understand it can be tricky to balance being faithful to the original text while also making dialogue sound natural and engaging in English. And to be fair, the changes aren't completely derailing... there's just too much of a tendency to make the characters sound extra snappy and sarcastic? It reminds me of the whole "American Kirby" phenomena. It bothers me the most with 9S, because he's kind of a divisive character even in Japanese... so making him more snot-nosed feels like they're tipping the scales too much.
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dazat posted:I work as a translator so I understand it can be tricky to balance being faithful to the original text while also making dialogue sound natural and engaging in English. And to be fair, the changes aren't completely derailing... there's just too much of a tendency to make the characters sound extra snappy and sarcastic? It reminds me of the whole "American Kirby" phenomena. It bothers me the most with 9S, because he's kind of a divisive character even in Japanese... so making him more snot-nosed feels like they're tipping the scales too much. I'm glad to hear if he's less hostile in Japanese. His reaction to concluding the Father Servo questline just made me go "man gently caress this guy"
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Mar 21, 2017 19:49
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It makes sense, yeah, and I'm certain the demographic plays part too.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:51
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Totally unrelated, re: humans and machines, now that I think of it Adam's and Eve's whole proposal in the alien mothership is "bring us the humans from the moon so we can dissect them." If the machines knew humans were extinct, you'd think Adam and Eve would too, since they're connected to the network. I guess there's also the chance the Terminals have information they're withholding from the general network, though.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:52
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Is there some trick the gold robots? They have like 100x more health than their normal counterparts
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Mar 21, 2017 19:54
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Squidtentacle posted:Totally unrelated, re: humans and machines, now that I think of it i think it works the best if you think of adam and eve as basically being network admins, they can do most things, but they arent omnipresent of the network like the terminals are
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ymgve posted:Is there some trick the gold robots? They have like 100x more health than their normal counterparts Either try again on Play B or even later than that. Killing them early will only be an exercise in frustration.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:59
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ymgve posted:Is there some trick the gold robots? They have like 100x more health than their normal counterparts
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ymgve posted:Is there some trick the gold robots? They have like 100x more health than their normal counterparts Hack em. Don't know how to do that? Play more of the game.
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Squidtentacle posted:Totally unrelated, re: humans and machines, now that I think of it I'm actually wondering if they allowed the human server itself to be self aware and it's the one pulling the strings. Like in a "we don't have humanity anymore but we programmed an approximate simulation of the kind of decisions humans would make" way. The androids worship humans to such an extent that kind of thing would feel logical to me.
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Thinking of buying but a little wary of million complaints on Steam of bad performance/crashes on PC. How is the PC version, goons?
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STANKBALLS TASTYLEGS posted:i think it works the best if you think of adam and eve as basically being network admins, they can do most things, but they arent omnipresent of the network like the terminals are It's also possible they intentionally didn't access all the information contained within the system, since they wanted to do their actual learning via reading books. It's also possible that learning humans had already died was a very recent discovery they figured out when the androids started going berserk and they were able to grab more data from them. I would say a good indication of when the robots first got access into the human info network was during The Purge when you see the girl hologram appear in the hangar.
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Mar 21, 2017 20:03
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Nina posted:I'm glad to hear if he's less hostile in Japanese. His reaction to concluding the Father Servo questline just made me go "man gently caress this guy" I haven't played that sidequest in English yet, but in the Japanese he talks about how he's glad he doesn't have to deal with him again, but it's pretty transparent, you (and 2B) can tell that he's really sad/upset.
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Mar 21, 2017 20:04
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dumb and kinda scared posted:Thinking of buying but a little wary of million complaints on Steam of bad performance/crashes on PC. How is the PC version, goons? Completely depends. Some people have no problems, I haven't been able to play for more than about 90-120 minutes without something going wrong.
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dazat posted:I haven't played that sidequest in English yet, but in the Japanese he talks about how he's glad he doesn't have to deal with him again, but it's pretty transparent, you (and 2B) can tell that he's really sad/upset. My memory's a bit fuzzy but I'm kinda sure that's not the implication with 9S in the English, but 2B feels that way
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Josuke Higashikata posted:My memory's a bit fuzzy but I'm kinda sure that's not the implication with 9S in the English, but 2B feels that way i don't know about that it seemed pretty obvious that was how he felt in english for me, especially with him going something like "i guess we won't see him again" and even though he calls him "a stupid machine" he really obviously sounded down about it to me
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ymgve posted:Is there some trick the gold robots? They have like 100x more health than their normal counterparts If you're on your first playthrough, I wouldn't bother with them If you're on your second playthrough, hack them
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dumb and kinda scared posted:Thinking of buying but a little wary of million complaints on Steam of bad performance/crashes on PC. How is the PC version, goons? I only had a single crash during my time playing, but whether you have issues is completely (and randomly) hardware dependent, it seems. You can buy it and then refund it if you can't get it to launch for whatever reason.
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Mar 21, 2017 20:13
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Emil in the desert  How am I supposed to fight this boss when it's making me tear up
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STANKBALLS TASTYLEGS posted:i don't know about that it seemed pretty obvious that was how he felt in english for me, especially with him going something like "i guess we won't see him again" and even though he calls him "a stupid machine" he really obviously sounded down about it to me
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Mar 21, 2017 20:15
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I don't like this High-speed machine guy one bit
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Josuke Higashikata posted:My memory's a bit fuzzy but I'm kinda sure that's not the implication with 9S in the English, but 2B feels that way I looked up the sidequest in English. Here's a comparison between it and the original Japanese: (Localized Version) 9S: About goddamn time! If I ever see that bossy robo-monk again, it’ll be too soon, let me tell you. 2B: I suppose. 9S: Stupid machine. All he cared about was getting stronger until we finally scrapped him. But now we don’t have to see him ever again. What a relief! 2B: …Indeed. (My Translation) 9S: Phew, I'm glad that's over with! Now we’ll never be bossed around by that robo-monk ever again. 2B: Right… 9S: …what a dumb robot. He cared so much about getting stronger, he didn't mind being destroyed… But now we’ll never have to see him again! Really… what a relief… 2B: …yeah. I feel like it's a pretty good approximation of how the localization 'spices' things up, so to speak. dazat fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:I don't like this High-speed machine guy one bit
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dazat posted:I looked up the sidequest in English. Here's a comparison between it and the original Japanese: Yeah, this is pretty interesting. I think really, it comes down to a difference in the translation in a single line which kinda changes some context. All he cared about was getting stronger until we finally scrapped him. vs He cared so much about getting stronger, he didn't mind being destroyed… The official one here reads so much more aggressively as a whole, where the latter reads wistfully, which in turn affects the contexts of the next line too to me.
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:I don't like this High-speed machine guy one bit Speed Star? There's actually tricks to gently caress him up. First race is simple, second race use the Slow Pod Program, third Race use Overclock chips.
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Supremezero posted:Speed Star? There's actually tricks to gently caress him up. First race is simple, second race use the Slow Pod Program, third Race use Overclock chips. Yeah that one. I am on the third race, but I only have one Overclock chip so using that doesn't really work for me.
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Go grab a Movement 4 and 2, put your light sword in slot two so it uses heavy strings, practice the airborne Dodge+Heavy Attack move that sends you quickly diagonally downwards until you have the command down and then you can't really fail that quest once you have either the left route or the right hand route up around the edge of the crater learned. You can put an evade distance up in too if you like but that's not vital. Left is meant to be easier but Right comes out at around the same speed if done right too. Overclock is just further simplification of it.
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dazat posted:I looked up the sidequest in English. Here's a comparison between it and the original Japanese: Ah so the differences are mostly exaggerated.
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:Yeah that one. I am on the third race, but I only have one Overclock chip so using that doesn't really work for me. As long as you have enough Movement Speed + chips to hit the +20% cap, you can still win even without anything else. Jump off the building toward the left and use dash at the bottom of your fall, then dash again to get the increased run speed and just book it toward the ramp near the building. When you hit a small fork either leading upward on the left or down on the right, go down, then run up the building ramp and start jumpdashing to close the remaining distance to the finish line.
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:As long as you have enough Movement Speed + chips to hit the +20% cap, you can still win even without anything else. Jump off the building toward the left and use dash at the bottom of your fall, then dash again to get the increased run speed and just book it toward the ramp near the building. When you hit a small fork either leading upward on the left or down on the right, go down, then run up the building ramp and start jumpdashing to close the remaining distance to the finish line. Note that you can't mess up at all. I did it this way and beat him by like a pixel. Hell I thought I lost.
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I couldn't even figure out the path for the second race.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Note that you can't mess up at all. I did it this way and beat him by like a pixel. You actually have a liiiiiitle bit of gently caress-up time if you're being turbo-efficient and are staying as far to the edge as you can to shred like two seconds overall. On the attempt where I actually got it I hosed up the fall and ended up having to sit through the animation where 2B lands flat on her face and then had to dash out from there
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Snak posted:I couldn't even figure out the path for the second race. Go across the to of the buildings, then climb a tree to get to the other buildings were the goal is.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Go across the to of the buildings, then climb a tree to get to the other buildings were the goal is. Pro tip: do not fall down in between the buildings. Not specific to races: Will someone please convince me that just sprinting is as fast or faster than spamming evade/dash? Because I know it probably is, but I have a problem not constant tapping right trigger when I want to get somewhere faster. Even though it's probably making me slower overall. The *woosh* makes it sound faster...
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Hey, these tips really helped. I got him my next try. How many weapons can Emil sell? I've been able to stop him with weapons once, and he had two bracers.
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Snak posted:Pro tip: do not fall down in between the buildings. Yep because you have to finish to restart, which sucks for two and three.
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I just got endings C, D, and E all in the past hour. What an amazing game. It's real real good and a bug must have flown in my eyes about 30 minutes ago since they won't stop watering.
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Man, the chip that lets you pick up items like you do money is amazing. Especially when the game throws a bunch of weak enemies at you and you just Wave them to death. Also it is fun when you get an item you have too many of and it jumps around. Sure, you can do that anyway, but it is more fun automatic. Actually, the first time I came up against the item limit I missed it saying inventory full or whatever and thought it was just the game messing with me. To be fair I was in a weird basement at the time. Also are there full costume change item things at all? I really want that one 2B wears at the start of C.
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McDragon posted:Also are there full costume change item things at all? I really want that one 2B wears at the start of C. You get that as a wearable costume upon finishing route C.
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:Hey, these tips really helped. I got him my next try. That's it, you're good to go. I finally got him to sell them. After trying it a bunch I went and did other stuff until I got bored trying to hunt down Unit Data (I only need 3% more for the quest and I can't find anything argh!) and then tried him again near the very end and he went straight through his three routes one after the other.  Now I just gotta upgrade things and then decide if I'm ready for superbosses or want to go back to trying to find rare enhanced machines -_-
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