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Well, here we go again!http://jalopnik.com/top-gear-america-is-here-and-here-its-three-hosts-1793443905 posted:With the demise of Top Gear USA, there’s a new American Top Gear coming later this year! This time, though, it’ll be called—wait for it, wait for it—Top Gear America, and will be hosted by actor William Fichtner, drag racer Antron Brown and auto journalist Tom “Wookie” Ford. Can this succeed where Top Gear USA didn’t?
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Mar 20, 2017 20:34
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Why do this? TG:USA found it's formula and it worked. The last season could actually be classified as good. Now it sounds like they are going back to the season 1 formula with celeb interviews and studio stuff.
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Deteriorata posted:It was also rather incongruous how they had praised every car in the show for having a turbo engine to that point (twin turbos in the AMG), then dinged the FIAT specifically because it had one. I don't really understand that one. I don't know, maybe try watching the review next time or something. Matt specifically says the point of a small sports car is to have instant throttle response and high revs. He says the turbo Fiat has turbo lag which doesn't fit what he just said that type of car needs.
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Mar 20, 2017 21:07
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GutBomb posted:Why do this? TG:USA found it's formula and it worked. The last season could actually be classified as good. Now it sounds like they are going back to the season 1 formula with celeb interviews and studio stuff. I wish I knew. I really loved TG:US's last couple of seasons.
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Nerobro posted:I don't think any production car has sequential turbocharging right now. Using small turbos to minimize lag is a thing, but they're working in parallel, instead of sequential. Or staged. (There was, or may still be, a production over the road truck engine that was staged...) BMW has two, three, and four turbo sequential configurations on some of their diesels.
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Mar 20, 2017 22:53
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Watching the Fiata segment, my wife and I were like "wow, Italy really looks a lot like the canyons in Malibu" and then, welp.
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Mar 20, 2017 22:54
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I think LeBlanc is very good in the in-car sections: it's obviously scripted, but he is a good actor, so it works well. The studio still doesn't have the right spark though- it feels like a school play with all the juddering pauses.
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Mar 20, 2017 23:20
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It feels like they all have at least a lingering respect for each other and they need to know, even if only for a few short moments, what it's like to genuinely hate each other to make the show come alive.
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Mar 20, 2017 23:32
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I just want more melons, sheds, and Volvos.
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Mar 20, 2017 23:58
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I guess we won't be getting any more "Some people say..." Stig stories?
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Mar 21, 2017 00:53
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In unStig / Grand Tour news, I met "The American" Mike Skinner and his wife Angela on the weekend, they are super nice. I kind of figured this already from watching him in trucks and all, it's almost a shame they make him play such a dick character. He said his favourite car was probably the Vulcan. Angela and I talked about Gin.
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Ether Frenzy posted:Watching the Fiata segment, my wife and I were like "wow, Italy really looks a lot like the canyons in Malibu" and then, welp. Hell, I live in Ohio and just from watching way too many TST One Take videos I was thinking "that looks familiar" and then the CGI signs confirmed it. Regardless, that was a drat good episode. wolrah fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Deteriorata posted:The segment of Sabine bombing around the track was pretty cool in isolation, it just had nothing to do with anything they'd said about the GTI to that point. Everything about the car was terrible, but because Sabine could drive like a bat out of hell in it suddenly it was awesome. I think they criticized the Fiat specifically because the Miata has a small enough engine already. Downsizing from 6.2L to 5L and adding turbos seems reasonable, while going from 2L to 1.4L seems pointless. That's just inference on my part, maybe I'm wrong.
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Deteriorata posted:It was also rather incongruous how they had praised every car in the show for having a turbo engine to that point (twin turbos in the AMG), then dinged the FIAT specifically because it had one. I don't really understand that one. For what its worth, in Car & Driver's (or maybe it was Road & Track's?) review they also said that they didn't like the engine at all in the Fiat for basically the same reasons: faster on paper (and possibly in a race) but the throttle response and different torque curve spoil the experience. I've also heard anecdotes from people who've turbocharged their Miatas regretting it down the road too. I like the styling on the Fiat though, so what would I know?
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Toe Rag posted:I think they criticized the Fiat specifically because the Miata has a small enough engine already. Downsizing from 6.2L to 5L and adding turbos seems reasonable, while going from 2L to 1.4L seems pointless. That's just inference on my part, maybe I'm wrong. Fiat from what I gathered took an engine they already had in the 500 and put a turbo on it then put that into the 124. I am a strange beast but I like the way the 124 looks over the mx5, but booth are cool and the hard top mx5 is super cool. the best 124 is of course one with an ls3 from flying miata. Also doesn't the mx5 have electric steering but the 124 is plain jane hydraulic?
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Mar 21, 2017 14:11
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Not Top Gear/Tour related, but Edd China is leaving Wheeler Dealers. He will be replaced by Ant Anstead. I'm not familiar with him. What's his story?
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Mister Kingdom posted:Not Top Gear/Tour related, but Edd China is leaving Wheeler Dealers. He will be replaced by Ant Anstead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TP8pav_KSU
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Mister Kingdom posted:Not Top Gear/Tour related, but Edd China is leaving Wheeler Dealers. He will be replaced by Ant Anstead. Aw man, that sucks. Edd was the only reason I watched that show.
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opengl128 posted:Aw man, that sucks. Edd was the only reason I watched that show. Hopefully, he'll get his own show.
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wargames posted:Fiat from what I gathered took an engine they already had in the 500 and put a turbo on it then put that into the 124. I am a strange beast but I like the way the 124 looks over the mx5, but booth are cool and the hard top mx5 is super cool. the best 124 is of course one with an ls3 from flying miata. Also doesn't the mx5 have electric steering but the 124 is plain jane hydraulic? The 1.4L Multi-air Turbo has been around for several years in the 500. There is no "turbo lag" in it, there's just lack of boost if you let the RPMs drop too low. If you want instant throttle response, stay in a lower gear to keep the revs up. The 124 also has electric assist steering. They're both too numb IMO, although FIAT worked it over to be a bit better in their version. I will refrain from a full comparative review, though. No, it's not identical to a Miata and it's not supposed to be. They're surprisingly different cars for how much hardware they share. Harris complaining that "it clings to the road too well" was the cherry on top that they were being idiots about it. And I'm done complaining about it.
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Deteriorata posted:There is no "turbo lag" in it, there's just lack of boost if you let the RPMs drop too low. If you want instant throttle response, stay in a lower gear to keep the revs up. So there's turbo lag then.
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neckbeard posted:So there's turbo lag then. No, "turbo lag" generally refers to the time it takes the turbo to spool up when the load changes due to inertia in the turbine. It was a significant problem with early turbo designs. It's not a problem with this one. When it's on boost, it's been measured to respond to throttle changes in less than 0.1 seconds. No turbo engine is going to give you full power instantly if you tromp on it in 6th gear at 1500 RPM. Downshift to third and get the revs up first. Once you're on boost there's no lag at all.
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Deteriorata posted:No, "turbo lag" generally refers to the time it takes the turbo to spool up when the load changes due to inertia in the turbine. It was a significant problem with early turbo designs. It's not a problem with this one. When it's on boost, it's been measured to respond to throttle changes in less than 0.1 seconds. Any turbo engine will take a bit to spool up the turbos from nothing (aside from cars with antilag), yes. A naturally aspirated engine will have quick throttle response at any RPM. The argument from the film was that because the car has a turbo, instead of being NA like the Miata, there is turbo lag which Matt LeBlanc thinks you shouldn't have on a small car like that.
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Mister Kingdom posted:Not Top Gear/Tour related, but Edd China is leaving Wheeler Dealers. He will be replaced by Ant Anstead. Well, congrats to mike for making it through ed's tenure without getting his fat little head ripped offf. Ant Anstead is the mechanic from "for the love of cars." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM9IdfIq0Rs He's legitimately legit as gently caress. Ed could be a bit of a hack from time to time, Ant did concourse restorations on shitboxes.
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Deteriorata posted:
That is the definition of boost threshold, where gas flows dictate the generation of pressure above atmospheric. Boost lag the time for the compressor to generate flow with an increase of flow over the turbine.
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Sad to see Edd leave, but Ant is a very professional car restorer.
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Deteriorata posted:Harris complaining that "it clings to the road too well" was the cherry on top that they were being idiots about it. The others covered the turbo thing pretty well so I'll leave that alone, but I think you missed the point here. It's a small RWD roadster. It basically exists to be flung around twisty roads for fun. Sliding is part of that fun. Yes it's slower, who cares? Being too grippy is a legitimate problem in a vehicle where the fun isn't supposed to come from being the fastest thing out there. Look at how the Toyobarus share OEM tires with the goddamn Prius. It sounds insane on paper but if you've ever driven one you know it's exactly the right choice. The car begs you to kick the rear end end out, and the power to tire ratio is just right that you can do it in a controlled fashion on demand. I think that's what TG was looking for. On a track of course more grip is always better, but this isn't a track car. --- That's not to say at all that there's anything wrong with liking your car. I still think it's much better looking and I'm by no means against turbos (my daily is a Fiesta ST), but the complaints they had were legitimate if subjective.
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wolrah posted:
This is largely a misconception. There exists a JDM Prius with a performance package that happens to have the same tires, but that's it.
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Got the answer about Edd: http://jalopnik.com/edd-china-is-leaving-wheeler-dealers-because-velocity-w-1793498487
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bull3964 posted:This is largely a misconception. There exists a JDM Prius with a performance package that happens to have the same tires, but that's it. Yeah, the OEM summer tires on the 86 are also the OEM tires on some Mercs, not just that "performance" Prius. That being said it's an excellent point though that the car is better for having less grippy tires. I put Michelin Pilot Super Sports on mine and roundabouts weren't nearly as fun anymore.
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Powershift posted:Well, congrats to mike for making it through ed's tenure without getting his fat little head ripped offf.
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I have to say I'm enjoying LeBlanc's machinery obsession. Also looking forward to the Fiat getting panned shortly.
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Falken posted:Car S.O.S. I love this show. It beats Overhaulin' by a mile because not every car needs a glass-shattering sound system.
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Mister Kingdom posted:I love this show. It beats Overhaulin' by a mile because not every car needs a glass-shattering sound system. But they don't even put two tone paint jobs or foose wheels on them in car SOS
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scuz posted:Got the answer about Edd: http://jalopnik.com/edd-china-is-leaving-wheeler-dealers-because-velocity-w-1793498487 quote:Unfortunately, on Velocity’s first attempt at producing the show they found Wheeler Dealers “too difficult to make”, “at least in its current format.” That's literally what the show was! They even started reducing the amount of Mike Brewer stuff, to the point where he was just doing an intro and a conclusion and the show was much better for it. EDIT: watch his video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IB15T1LYiY Bonus points to him for the figurative mike drop and walk out at the end spog fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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I haven't watched Wheeler Dealers for years. Did it get better? Because the last time I watched it it was absolutely full of bullshit like claiming they fixed a misfire by changing the gear linkage, and not mentioning that the finished car clearly had a different engine to the one it started with.
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Sweevo posted:I haven't watched Wheeler Dealers for years. Did it get better? Because the last time I watched it it was absolutely full of bullshit like claiming they fixed a misfire by changing the gear linkage, and not mentioning that the finished car clearly had a different engine to the one it started with. In this past season, they even had Mike do some "repairs" in the shop. Very awkward.
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I watched my very first episode of New Old New Top Gear (Joey et al) today and ended up watching all three back to back. Other than the studio scenes that feel incredibly unnatural, I loved them all. The GTI/ring scene was great. Season 1 isn't worth watching at all is it?
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