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uber_stoat posted:yeah. I've heard all kinds of different reasons provided for why Trump got their vote and many of them bear no relation to anything Trump ever even said he was going to do. Trump's the avatar of these people's dreams and fantasies. how do people so stupid exist? yeah, but otoh, his campaign was consistent on exactly three issues: a) naked bigotry b) russophilia c) robust safety nets, including universal healthcare he delivered on the first 2 in spades. it was obvious to ppl even vaguely familiar with GOP politics that he couldn't do the third even if he wanted to. but it wasn't completely crazy for low-info voters to believe him on that. hell, if ryan manages to get his abomination to trump's desk in the midst of massive popular outrage, i wouldn't rule out trump pulling a veto at the last minute. he would get to pay back ryan for his tepid support during the election while grandstanding as the savior of the forgotten man. im sure bannon is whispering the idea into his ear right now Lindsey O. Graham posted:we are all losers in trump's america, unless you were already a winner beforehand oh lindsey, everyone can see you're living a lie. isn't it time you formally announce that you're "playing for the other team"? lord knows they'd welcome you without judgement.. (obviously, i'm talking about the blue dog democrats)
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:hell, if ryan manages to get his abomination to trump's desk in the midst of massive popular outrage, i wouldn't rule out trump pulling a veto at the last minute. he would get to pay back ryan for his tepid support during the election while grandstanding as the savior of the forgotten man. im sure bannon is whispering the idea into his ear right now on the one hand, Trump keeps saying how much he supports this bill and wants it to pass, which is in line with other demonstrations of his obsessive behavior on the other hand, he's also a pathological liar who fucks with people to get what he wants on the third hand, maybe the senate will just catch fire when the bill reaches them
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:yeah, but otoh, his campaign was consistent on exactly three issues: Lol TheSaurus lost is drat mind because a Trump Presidency didn't mean people would put up with his horseshit
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:yeah, but otoh, his campaign was consistent on exactly three issues: exactly and my constituency is where? south carolina it's not happening; my sister likes nice things, and i like power; try again when i retire
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check out this 9th dimensional chess, a friendly reminder btw, never vote for me as i am still an enemy to you, the left, but check this out: Lindsey Graham: We Should Just Let Obamacare Collapse If We Can't Get A Solid Fix Through Reconciliation Matt Vespa | March 17, 2017 Lindsey Graham: We Should Just Let Obamacare Collapse If We Can't Get A Solid Fix Through Reconciliation Well, the House GOP has taken a political consequences be damned position. The House will be voting on the American Health Care Act, the GOP replacement to Obamacare, next Thursday—though both Speaker Paul Ryan and President Trump admitted that changes would need to be made to ensure passage. The president has said he’s 100 percent behind this legislation, but you should read Guy’s deep dive into this development. The Obamacare replacement offered by congressional Republicans has received a brutal reception. Democrats are uniformly against it, while the GOP is split. The lackluster CBO score prompted moderate GOP lawmakers to flee—and Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) warned that this bill doesn’t have the votes to pass the Senate. There are some Republican senators who refuse to support a bill if it touches the current funding formula for Medicaid expansion. And the things that conservatives want Republicans to do regarding health care reform, allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines, tort reform, cannot be included in the reconciliation process. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) spoke with radio host Hugh Hewitt on Wednesday about his issues with the bill, namely that the three-phase approach, in which the GOP will make into law the areas they can’t touch with reconciliation, wouldn’t work. He noted that for provisions, like health insurance companies being able to compete across state lines, would need to get 60 votes to pass the Senate. Democrats aren’t going to help the GOP on health care, so the two succeeding phases are bound to fail. Graham said that we should just let the law collapse if the GOP couldn't get a solid bill using reconciliation, which drew disagreement from Hewitt. For conservatives, the fact that the GOP is haggling over Medicaid is frustrating since the expansion provision in Obamacare is one of the most expensive in the law. Graham also admitted that he could be miscalculating the political consequences for this wait and die strategy. Hugh Hewitt: Now today, the AP is reporting, and I’ll read the quote. House Republicans are working on a companion to their bill replacing Obamacare. It’s a legislative second act that would ease cross-state sale of health insurance and limit jury awards for pain and suffering in malpractice lawsuits, closed quote. That’s actually fiction. That’s propaganda, because that takes 60 votes, and you’re not going to get it. I am curious if you agree with me that the House Republicans do not understand reconciliation, and that they can use tax policy to dis-incentivize bad behavior, and that it will pass muster with the parliamentarian? Lindsey Graham: Yeah, I think this is the key point. I think this is what Senator Cotton’s trying to say. Reconciliation is a limited venue to make changes. It has boundaries, right? so if you have a three-step approach, reconciliation being the first step, and buying across state lines doesn’t fit into reconciliation, then any package coming from the House after reconciliation must get 60 votes. There’s no way the Democratic Party is going to vote for a concept that opens up health care to more competition and outside government control. That’s what this whole drat thing’s about to begin with, is that they believe that health care should be provided by the government. We believe you should have more choices. And I don’t see eight of them helping us get our, you know, get this thing done. That’s just not going to happen. […] Hewitt: The vast majority of Republicans believe that people transitioning from Medicaid need help. I have a four square box – poor, not poor, young, not young, and I think the tax credits ought to go to the poor not young in overwhelming proportion and followed by the poor young, but mostly to the poor people to help them transition from Medicaid so we don’t create a poverty trap. Graham: Right, right. Hewitt: Rand Paul’s not going to buy that. I understand it. That’s fine. He’s down. Susan Collins isn’t going to buy any of this. She’s down. So we’ve got to get everybody else, right? Graham: Good luck. Hewitt: Good luck. We’ve got to get everybody else. Is that doable, Senator Graham, because this is the once in a lifetime… Graham: In its current form, no. And okay, it’s a once in a lifetime opportunity for every Republican to own a bad bill. It’s a once in a lifetime opportunity for every Republican to replace Obamacare with something better. Here’s what I would suggest. If you don’t believe it’s better than Obamacare over the long haul, if you think you’re going to own it for the rest of your life, President Trump, it will be called Trumpcare, don’t buy it, because everybody says you have to. Here’s what I would prefer he do. If he can’t get us in a good spot where we all feel comfortable, we’ve improved Obamacare dramatically, which we told people we would, let it collapse. There were five health care providers in South Carolina exchange. We’re down to one. Hewitt: No, no, no. No, no no. Graham: Let it collapse. Hewitt: We’re going to get killed. Graham: No, we won’t. Hewitt : We’ll get killed if we don’t repeal the medical device tax, the individual mandate. We’re going to get slaughtered. Graham: Well, you will, and here’s how you will do it. Here’s what you’re going to get killed. If you pass a bill that is using the same process the Democrats did, you ignore every warning sign and you go through anyway, and you take CBO numbers and you just excuse everything the CBO said, if at the end of the day the 62 year old person in Greenville, South Carolina doesn’t get help from this bill, if their premiums don’t go down, that if Medicaid continues to explode and expand, then what good have you done? Here’s what I would suggest to the President. Keep working hard. I want to work with you. I want to get to yes. But if it doesn’t work, if we can’t get there by ourselves, let it collapse. It is collapsing. Obamacare is a nightmare for the country. Democrats are not going to lift a finger to help President Trump. I would do collapse and replace if you can’t get a good, solid fix to Obamacare using reconciliation. Hewitt: I think you’re misjudging the political consequences of that strategy dramatically. Graham: Could be. Could be. - Townhall  letting it collapse means leaving it the hell alone 
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Azathoth posted:Normally, the problem with these voters is that they don't have realistic expectations of what government can and cannot do for them, so they tend to get disillusioned really easily. I don't ever recall seeing a political party get power then quite so brazenly put out a legislative agenda that objectively fucks over quite such a wide swath of their supporters, so we're basically sailing into uncharted political waters with this.
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:exactly but i was led to believe that you never refuse a dixie cretin seaman  s'all good, if u and mccain ever get serious about purging the ruskies from your party im sure we can lend a hand 
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:but i was led to believe that you never refuse a dixie cretin seaman you know i always love my dixie seamen sugar! meet me in my chambers, and i might just show you what i mean... 
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lol, more dipshits It works for 56-year-old Linda Preast, who signed up for the program two years ago after a stroke left her in a wheelchair. Meals on Wheels delivers to her every weekday. Like most residents in Jones County, she voted for Donald Trump. “Are you surprised?” Miller asked. “Yeah,” Preast said. “Because he was told- I was under the influence that he was going to help us.”
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:lol, more dipshits lol spoilers: if she survives she's still voting trump in 2020
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:lol, more dipshits Now that's just depressing 
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:lol, more dipshits "under the influence" might be the best turn of phrase any Trump supporter has used to describe their vote
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A lot of people are gonna die, because Hillary Clinton lost the election so badly.
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Typo posted:spoilers: if she survives she's still voting trump in 2020 Well yeah because the commiecrats are going to raise her taxes.
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ScrubLeague posted:Well yeah because the commiecrats are going to raise her taxes. Fiends!
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Small Ohio town counts on Trump to stave off plant closures Two Ohio coal plants to close Jesus Christ himself couldn't rise coal from the dead. quote:A retired veteran who later became a construction worker at one of the plants doesn't have many nice things to say about Trump. You tried to warn them Marven
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OhFunny posted:Small Ohio town counts on Trump to stave off plant closures Marvin is a CSPAM hero (and soon to be martyr)
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OhFunny posted:Small Ohio town counts on Trump to stave off plant closures For some reason, construction workers seem woke when it comes to economics. I think it's because they're the cutting edge of the economy. They're the first plebian level group that experiences investment decisions & when you sit for 6 months straight because of some political hacks' policy that makes investors shook it's not a whole lot of dots to connect.
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Typo posted:lol if the democrats can't even persuade this person to vote for them then they deserve to lose
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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/844502402258685952 ya mans quit his job and sold his house because he thought trump cared about poor people
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^^^ goddammit http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/21/health/opioid-trump-supporter-medicaid-health-care-reform/index.html quote:Last year, Kraig Moss sold the equipment for his construction business in upstate New York and stopped making mortgage payments so he could follow Donald Trump on the campaign trail.
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Another trumpkin on npr this morning: lost his farm to the midwest wildfires and upset that he hasn't heard trump mention them even once. agrees the us needs to spend less bc of debt but upset that the trump budget cuts disaster aid. would appreciate if the federal government would help him back on his feet, but NOT looking for a handout
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:Another trumpkin on npr this morning: lost his farm to the midwest wildfires and upset that he hasn't heard trump mention them even once. agrees the us needs to spend less bc of debt but upset that the trump budget cuts disaster aid. would appreciate if the federal government would help him back on his feet, but NOT looking for a handout The funny thing about when the government obliges their sense of honor and renames programs to things that don't sound like the handouts (think ACA becoming KYnect, HIP 2.0, etc) they are is that the GOP then gets them to vote against the proper name of the program.
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HorseRenoir posted:https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/844502402258685952 I hope he gets kicked to death by illegal immigrants.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:would appreciate if the federal government would help him back on his feet, but NOT looking for a handout I feel like that's part of the problem right there - so many people have been conditioned to see any form of government assistance as some kind of terrible thing that has to be avoided at all costs or else you become one of them and that's a fate worse than death. guess what my dude, you're absolutely asking for a government handout, and that's okay because you've already paid for it. unless he's somehow avoided paying taxes for his entire adult life, he's been making annual tithes to the government to pay for a lot of stuff, and one of the big things it's supposed to pay for is support and assistance during a natural disaster. this guy shouldn't feel any guilt at all about receiving support from the govt because of a situation that was completely outside his ability to influence or control. that's got to be one of the best tools in the R tool chest, the fact that they have psychologically conditioned people to reflexively reject any govt utility outside of limitless defense spending.
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http://www.channel3000.com/news/politics/under-trump-wisconsin-dairies-struggle-to-keep-immigrant-workers/399774724quote:“Before the election, there was a lot of discussion. Everybody was concerned about immigration reform, but most of the farmers that I talked to (said) ‘I can't vote for Hillary (Clinton), I just can't.’ … Now that Trump's elected, they say that they have hope and that he didn't really mean what he said. And so we'll see.”
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It's more of a christian puritan thing, better to give than receive. But how can everyone be a giver if nobody's a receiver?
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'Member when the bundys demanded their welfare checks while they were protesting without a hint of irony
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Philthy posted:http://www.channel3000.com/news/politics/under-trump-wisconsin-dairies-struggle-to-keep-immigrant-workers/399774724 lol it took me like, 10 seconds to find her and her farm despite not revealing the last name protip: if you give anybody 3 accurate pieces of information about yourself, assume you can be found If I wasn't more worried about the welfare of fellow proletarians over spiting her I'd report her to ICE lol
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Epic High Five posted:If I wasn't more worried about the welfare of fellow proletarians over spiting her I'd report her to ICE lol If the idea has occurred to you, ten /pol/ dudes have already done it
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wizard on a water slide posted:If the idea has occurred to you, ten /pol/ dudes have already done it yeah that's my theory as well but I'm not going to be a party to it
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:Another trumpkin on npr this morning: lost his farm to the midwest wildfires and upset that he hasn't heard trump mention them even once. agrees the us needs to spend less bc of debt but upset that the trump budget cuts disaster aid. would appreciate if the federal government would help him back on his feet, but NOT looking for a handout "its not welfare when white people get it"
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Liberals, 2016: "If we deport every illegal it would be an economic catastrophe that would ruin you, personally, and millions others. The only realistic option is to make them legal" Trumpers, 2016: "NO THEY'VE GOTTA GO ILLEGALS STEALIN ARE JOBS STEALIN ARE TAXDOLLARS" Trumpers, 2017: "oh god I'm going to be ruined and the shitass Governor and his party have already destroyed my safety nets nooooo plz feel sorry for me libs!!!"
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Philthy posted:http://www.channel3000.com/news/politics/under-trump-wisconsin-dairies-struggle-to-keep-immigrant-workers/399774724 Speaking of farmers and their exports. Mexico, the largest importer of American corn, is looking for other markets to buy from. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-22/mexican-companies-craft-plan-to-sidestep-u-s-grain-imports quote:One of Mexico’s largest business groups is working on a bargaining chip ahead of talks to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement: finding alternatives to the U.S. for grain imports. quote:Switching suppliers isn’t as easy as flipping a switch. Mexico depends heavily on rail for imports from the U.S. and Canada, which wouldn’t work for goods from South America. But Mexico’s ports could handle imports from the south, and the benefits would outweigh the costs, Castanon said.
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Epic High Five posted:Liberals, 2016: "If we deport every illegal it would be an economic catastrophe that would ruin you, personally, and millions others. The only realistic option is to make them legal" This is basically holodomor but replace liberals with Stalin, trumpers with kulaks, and illegals with modern farming equipment.
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zegermans posted:This is basically holodomor but replace liberals with Stalin, trumpers with kulaks, and illegals with modern farming equipment. are you blaming the Ukrainians for the holodomor?
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