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Craig K posted:My GOD my representative accidentally voting correctly for a bill for a change! Try phoning him and telling him how happy you are about that. It seems to have an effect.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Try phoning him and telling him how happy you are about that. It seems to have an effect. he's getting Lots of Calls so i got the voice mail and left a message.
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Craig K posted:My GOD my representative accidentally voting correctly for a bill for a change! I think he wants to run for president, and that means not getting dragged down by this osboros of terrible ideas.
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Craig K posted:he's getting Lots of Calls so i got the voice mail and left a message. Yeah, I never heard of anyone actually getting through. But filling up voicemail boxes seems to get registered somehow.
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trump is our closer, you guysquote:But NBC News reports that House Republicans are moving away from the bill: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...m=.b2ccced22af1
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Politico's sticking a  in the bill:Current vote count: Obamacare repeal would fail House Obamacare repeal DOA in the Senate
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evilweasel posted:trump is our closer, you guys What a loser! Can't close the deal! Sad! Cant wait to see his reaction.
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DaveWoo posted:Politico's sticking a One thing that's not getting mentioned much is that some moderates are on board, but most are just in hiding and avoiding saying yea or nay. The freedom caucus is loudly saying they're opposed but the moderates aren't all on board, and will be very likely to flee if they think the bill is going down. As always, when referring to Republicans in the house, "moderates" is a relative term with the air quotes around it.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:What a loser! Can't close the deal! Sad! man, let me tell you what a loser that paul ryan is. didn't support me. sad!
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I hope they put it up for a vote and then it fails. I want to see Paul Ryan fall face first into a pile of dog poo poo.
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Craig K posted:he's getting Lots of Calls so i got the voice mail and left a message. I've also been using Resistbot to send faxes. It automatically figures out your representative when you give it your street address.
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this will go well https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/844594031892086784
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HappyHippo posted:I hope they put it up for a vote and then it fails. I want to see Paul Ryan fall face first into a pile of dog poo poo. I'm not going to believe it until the vote is actually concluded. I fully expect Ryan to pull a Tom DeLay and keep the vote open until like 5 in the morning while he tries to get the votes he needs.
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evilweasel posted:man, let me tell you what a loser that paul ryan is. didn't support me. sad! Watching Trump and Ryan repeatedly try to tie the other to the AHCA has been great. I imagine they'd try to coup Ryan if anyone else wanted to be Speaker but that job is pretty much a political suicide booth right now.
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The Phlegmatist posted:I imagine they'd try to coup Ryan if anyone else wanted to be Speaker but that job is pretty much a political suicide booth right now. This is the only comfort I have about that gently caress being from my state. He is now doomed to go down in a Boehner-esque fireball. It's only a matter of when.
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Thinking it over, even if they don't have the votes they kinda have to hold the vote anyway, as embarrassing as it it, so that they can at least say they tried to do something. Can you imagine how the base would react if they never even held a vote? I think a good portion of them (between the moderates and the hard right) want to be able to say they voted for it going into the next election.
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TyrantWD posted:I think in the long run, its best for the Democrats, and the country, that the bill passes, people hate it, and then it gives the Democrats room to campaign on replacing Trumpcare with Medicare for all. The GOP are full of poo poo, but they are on the mark when they say Obamacare is collapsing. My brother's premiums (late 20s with no pre-existing conditions), with the maximum subsidy, are up to almost 350/month. Two more years of increases, and he is dropping out - as I imagine millions of others will. Let the Republicans own a healthcare disaster, use it to win back power, and then implement a real solution. Why do people think this? My understanding of the bill is that the big, hurtful changes come in 2020 or just after, so no one will actually feel the pain until after the election.
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https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/844597772074536960 I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that room. E: https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/844602678965665792 - Risk single payer 
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The Phlegmatist posted:Watching Trump and Ryan repeatedly try to tie the other to the AHCA has been great. I imagine they'd try to coup Ryan if anyone else wanted to be Speaker but that job is pretty much a political suicide booth right now. Yeah there's literally no one else who can get 218 votes in the House to be speaker.
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HappyHippo posted:Thinking it over, even if they don't have the votes they kinda have to hold the vote anyway, as embarrassing as it it, so that they can at least say they tried to do something. Can you imagine how the base would react if they never even held a vote? I think a good portion of them (between the moderates and the hard right) want to be able to say they voted for it going into the next election. I agree. If Ryan doesn't have the votes tomorrow, he's not getting them. His only option at that point is to put the "nos" on record and hope they either absorb the blame, or the pressure forces them to change their mind and he brings it up again (though it is not clear to me he can, I'm not an expert on this procedure stuff. well, less "not an expert" and more "barely any knowledge").
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The idolization of the free market as the answer to everything is so baffling to me. It's like you paid attention maybe for one month in high school economics and then never ever took in any other information about how markets work and their deficiencies and you actively reject anything that may refute your limited scope of knowledge.
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No Safe Word posted:The idolization of the free market as the answer to everything is so baffling to me. Establishing and expanding markets shifts power towards people with money, whether you're talking about healthcare in the United States or the spread of capitalism across the globe. This is appealing to people who have a lot of money.
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evilweasel posted:I agree. If Ryan doesn't have the votes tomorrow, he's not getting them. His only option at that point is to put the "nos" on record and hope they either absorb the blame, or the pressure forces them to change their mind and he brings it up again (though it is not clear to me he can, I'm not an expert on this procedure stuff. well, less "not an expert" and more "barely any knowledge"). he can also leave the "vote" open for a ridiculously long time and attempt to wheel and deal on the house floor. i believe delay did this during the bush administration during a controversial vote and the vote wrapped up at 5 a.m. the next day. ideally president trump would be on hand to pressure lawmakers during this but since this would involve trump working more then his usual 6 hour work day it'll all be the house GOP leadership.
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I listened to Vox's "The Weeds" podcast for the first time yesterday (against my better judgment). You know it's bad news when Matt Yglesias is ranting about how incredibly stupid the Republicans have been in making GBS threads out this bill. Like, I've never heard him be this direct before. I'll enjoy it while it lasts, before he returns to his normal state.HappyHippo posted:I hope they put it up for a vote and then it fails. I want to see Paul Ryan fall face first into a pile of dog poo poo. I fully expect the rest of his speakership to be a...what was the medical phrase again? "Persistent vegetative state"? 
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No Safe Word posted:The idolization of the free market as the answer to everything is so baffling to me. It's like you paid attention maybe for one month in high school economics and then never ever took in any other information about how markets work and their deficiencies and you actively reject anything that may refute your limited scope of knowledge. Most Americans haven't even taken a month of high school economics.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/844602678965665792 "Truly Needy"
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Zikan posted:he can also leave the "vote" open for a ridiculously long time and attempt to wheel and deal on the house floor. i believe delay did this during the bush administration during a controversial vote and the vote wrapped up at 5 a.m. the next day. ideally president trump would be on hand to pressure lawmakers during this but since this would involve trump working more then his usual 6 hour work day it'll all be the house GOP leadership. I wouldn't be surprised if he tries, but I don't expect it. They're twisting every arm they can right now, if it's not twisted by tomorrow afternoon it's probably not getting twisted, especially because Ryan will start losing votes if it seems certain it will not pass.
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Being on the losing side is ANTI-GOP, that's why they invent a new side, or say that X wasn't actually on their side so they didn't actually lose
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I think a lot of Republican representatives ideal situation right now is to vote for this bill as long as it fails.
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So when this bill fails miserably tomorrow who gets thrown under the bus first?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So when this bill fails miserably tomorrow who gets thrown under the bus first? Who is the GOP establishment unhappy about? It'll be them
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So when this bill fails miserably tomorrow who gets thrown under the bus first? Nobody gets thrown under a bus since that implies there's going to be any sort of coherent plan to blame someone. Everyone's going to be trying to knife everyone else. Freedom Caucus trying to knife Ryan, Ryan trying to knife the Freedom Caucus, the Freedom Caucus trying to knife the moderates, and Trump trying to knife whoever seems vulnerable to make sure the blame isn't attached to him. Ted Cruz will be Ted Cruz and try to knife someone just for the fun of it. The Senate Republicans are the only ones who will probably emerge unscathed.
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So this is an interesting theory. The conservatives are rebelling against (in part) the refusal to gut the regulations about what insurance has to cover. Leadership says it's because those can't be removed through reconciliation. Here's an alternative theory: In short, it suggests that maybe Republicans could attack those regulations in the same way they attacked the mandate: the mandate isn't removed (because it's not a budget item) but the penalty (paid to the government, ergo a budget item) is changed to zero. quote:Eliminating the essential health benefits was part of a leaked early repeal and replace proposal, dated Feb. 10. By the time leaders debuted the bill weeks later, that provision had been struck. Calling its removal “the biggest puzzle about Ryan’s Obamacare repeal,” Investor’s Business Daily reporter Jed Graham suggested the following: In short: maybe the reason that it doesn't lower premiums is by design so those tax credits aren't usable. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._they_want.html
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The Hill's "no" count (as in, not including leaners) is up to 22. That said, the leadership seems to have at least some idea of who to target at the last minute to flip.
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eviltastic posted:The Hill's "no" count (as in, not including leaners) is up to 22. That said, the leadership seems to have at least some idea of who to target at the last minute to flip. Sounds like none of the counts are reliable since they report different numbers
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eviltastic posted:The Hill's "no" count (as in, not including leaners) is up to 22. That said, the leadership seems to have at least some idea of who to target at the last minute to flip. They have managed to twist one arm, at least: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/barletta-supports-health-bill Presumably they're also seeing who else they can buy off with the promise of a vote on a separate bill.
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and trump continues his unbroken string of closing the dea...quote:On Tuesday afternoon, Trump hosted more than a dozen members of the Tuesday Group, a moderate House faction, in the Oval Office for a lower-key lobbying session that involved Trump asking each person to relay their concerns about the bill. oh oh dear
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