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World War Mammories posted:it turns out the targets of said surveillance were a russian money laundering ring operating out of a trump tower penthouse suite three floors below trump's. so uh this in of itself is lol
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Wow, Trump used the same bank that people who did illegal stuff at used. Also bad people lived in one of his many buildings.
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Mar 22, 2017 19:37
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it's not like it's hard to own the gently caress out of people like me, so it's extra funny when someone like prorat owns himself
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Mar 22, 2017 19:38
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Also bad people lived in one of his many buildings. c'mon it's kinda funny that russians were laundering money there I'm not saying it's his fault or anything I'm just saying that's kinda funny
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Mar 22, 2017 19:39
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My downstairs neighbor could be a serial killer for all I know, they're a little too quiet down there
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Mar 22, 2017 19:39
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:My downstairs neighbor could be a serial killer for all I know, they're a little too quiet down there you aren't the "billionaire" owner of the building with your name plastered all over it, you aren't president of the united states, and your team doesn't keep getting implicated in russian criminal schemes, so
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Mar 22, 2017 19:41
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World War Mammories posted:dude nunes himself in that article says it looked like incidental collection in which the trump team communicated with the actual targets of the surveillance. and it turns out the targets of said surveillance were a russian money laundering ring operating out of a trump tower penthouse suite three floors below trump's. so uh Don't be dumb they were using this method to listen in on Trump and using this money laundering ring as an excuse.
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Mar 22, 2017 19:42
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oh ok
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Mar 22, 2017 19:44
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after all, who doesn't live in their own personal building and ends up with a couple russian money laundering rings operating out of them, that's just everyday american life
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Mar 22, 2017 19:44
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World War Mammories posted:you aren't the "billionaire" owner of the building with your name plastered all over it, you aren't president of the united states, and your team doesn't keep getting implicated in russian criminal schemes, so i think we disagree on what the word "implication" means World War Mammories posted:after all, who doesn't live in their own personal building and ends up with a couple russian money laundering rings operating out of them, that's just everyday american life I think If i had my own building with dozens of floors and sold space to anyone with money then yes I could probably have this happen to me as I'm not an omniscient being that knows what happens in every square inch of my retail properties. Call me crazy though. This is obviously Vladimir Putin operating out of New York. The puppet strings run right up outside the building everyone JUST LOOK Space Crabs fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Mar 22, 2017 19:44
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T.S. Smelliot posted:Irrational, like 3rd world failed states like Mexico to have it as part of "their national identity" to escape Mexico lol I forgot it's your goal to man the wall and shoot the Mexican hordes for "their own good"
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Mar 22, 2017 19:46
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what's the rent like at trump tower anyway
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Mar 22, 2017 19:47
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:what's the rent like at trump tower anyway http://www.401northwabashcondos.com/trump-tower-chicago-rentals.php
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Mar 22, 2017 19:48
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:what's the rent like at trump tower anyway yuge!
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Mar 22, 2017 19:48
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:what's the rent like at trump tower anyway Don't even think about it unless you're operating a Russian money laundering scheme. Very pricey.
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Mar 22, 2017 19:49
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3 bedroom in downtown Chicago is 16K a month. That's not terrible
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Mar 22, 2017 19:49
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Trump wasn't being wiretapped wrt his election or anything involving Obama or anything else so even if in the pursuit of gathering intel on this money laundering ring they got some incidental communication (which is like, "Hey how are you doing" in the elevator) it has no relevance to anything Trump was talking about whatsoever in his allegations against Obama. The FBI director James Comey, who kicked HRC in the shins a week before election day, came out and said "we weren't wiretapping Trump and there is no basis at all for that accusation"  Is he biased now when the facts don't go Trumps way but before he wasn't biased when it was tilting against HRC?
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Mar 22, 2017 19:51
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Did everyone forget the NSA has us all wiretapped all the time or does that not count
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Mar 22, 2017 19:52
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The man has 10 sky scrapers with his name on it and a dozen other buildings. All kinds of poo poo could happen.
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Mar 22, 2017 19:54
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Moridin920 posted:they got some incidental communication (which is like, "Hey how are you doing" in the elevator) Prove it.
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Mar 22, 2017 19:56
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HAH the US government spying on a citizen!?! That's preposterous! How could you even levy a charge like that!
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Space Crabs posted:i think we disagree on what the word "implication" means then please enlighten me about its meaning, because I use it to describe things like campaign manager paul manafort being connected to a putin-allied russian billionaire to promote pro-russian interests throughout eastern europe and things like that. is that not being implicated? i can quote my logic from other older posts I've made if you're curious, because I'm pretty tired of "rich people attempt to circumvent law to make fuckloads of money" being painted as "JAMES BOND DONALD TRUMP DR NO," but I assume that would just be tedious Prorat posted:Prove it. literally the article you linked says that
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Prorat posted:Prove it. you want me to prove what the word incidental means???
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:HAH the US government spying on a citizen!?! That's preposterous! How could you even levy a charge like that! Dude there's a difference between "everyone is passively spied on" and "Obama wiretapped me specifically in order to sabotage me." That's like an actual criminal accusation you can't just toss out on Twitter as the POTUS and think people are just gonna forget about it 'cuz lol
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World War Mammories posted:then please enlighten me about its meaning, because I use it to describe things like campaign manager paul manafort being connected to a putin-allied russian billionaire to promote pro-russian interests throughout eastern europe and things like that. is that not being implicated? I'm no lawyer but I believe implicated means there is enough evidence of a crime to bring forth charges and you are implicated when you are charged. That hasn't happened in this case. I'm not sure if lobbying for a foreign Goverment is even illegal but it certainly doesn't look good. Edit- it isn't. Jeez it's super boring at work today. Krustic fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Moridin920 posted:you want me to prove what the word incidental means??? Incidental - liable to happen as a consequence of (an activity). Prove that it was just hello on an elevator. It was most likely they were tapping every phone in that building. Not that the NSA isn't already doing that anyway. You are dumb if you don't think they were passing it along to Obama.
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Prorat posted:Incidental - liable to happen as a consequence of (an activity). bro that was an example you loving moron I don't know what the actual content is but I assume that since James Comey hosed HRC he isn't some super pro Obama dick sucker and since he is now saying "that's total bullshit" I'm inclined to buy it in the absence of anything legitimate from the White House. quote:You are dumb if you don't think they were passing it along to Obama. lol for what reason
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Moridin920 posted:Dude there's a difference between "everyone is passively spied on" and "Obama wiretapped me specifically in order to sabotage me." So we're all spied on all the time and then we're suppose to just believe intelligence agencies when they're like "no, we didn't do that" Ok, so now I'm trusting government intelligence and Ronald McDonald news or else I'm stupid Call my cynical but, ya know, I just don't trust them fellers
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:So we're all spied on all the time and then we're suppose to just believe intelligence agencies when they're like "no, we didn't do that" idk what to tell you dude. Again there's a difference between the NSA gathering metadata that they can maybe analyze later if the need arises and "The president ordered me specifically to be wiretapped in violation of my 4th amendment rights in order to sabotage a political opponent during an election." If you think those are just the same then there's not much point in continuing to argue about it Trump should be able to come up with some actual piece of evidence if this was truth.
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Moridin920 posted:idk what to tell you dude. Again there's a difference between the NSA gathering metadata that they can maybe analyze later if the need arises and "The president ordered me specifically to be wiretapped in violation of my 4th amendment rights in order to sabotage a political opponent during an election." I should believe the denials of people doing illegal things. Got it. Thanks Way to take the side of the government that's spying on you lol
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Like dude do you realize what you're doing even lol? Trump asserts X. Intelligence agencies deny X. In the name of cynicism, you say the intelligence agencies are full of poo poo and we shouldn't believe them... but why are we just taking Trump at his word then??? Spunky Psycho Ho posted:I should believe the denials of people doing illegal things. Got it. Thanks bro TRUMP IS THE GOVERNMENT NOW Like... HE WON lol. He's IN OFFICE. HE IS THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF. Why is everyone acting like he's some outsider who still being ganked on by some shadow deep state when the loving guy hasn't even made his appointments yet??????
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Moridin920 posted:Like dude do you realize what you're doing even lol? Do you realize that you're defending the CIA and FBI lol
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Krustic posted:I'm no lawyer but I believe implicated means there is enough evidence of a crime to bring forth charges and you are implicated when you are charged. That hasn't happened in this case. I'm not sure if lobbying for a foreign Goverment is even illegal but it certainly doesn't look good. oh, really? hum, my mistake. I guess the proper phrasing is "person of interest"?
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Do you realize that you're defending the CIA and FBI lol Do you realize that you're accepting at face value the word of the president and yet saying that the CIA/FBI aren't to be trusted bc they are government? Why is Trump's assertion something that is to be believed until proven false but everything else is false until proven true?
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Mordor She Wrote posted:I forgot it's your goal to man the wall and shoot the Mexican hordes for "their own good" No so we're clear I don't give a gently caress, it's not America's problem! Like do you show this same level of Incredible caremad about oppressed Cambodians or the plight of non-Han Chinese? I'm not saying don't have basic human compassion here but where the gently caress do you draw the line? It clearly isn't "our sovereign country is racist for having borders"
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You can't just take what the president says at face value while at the same time going "I'm just too cynical to believe the FBI/CIA when they say anything they have to prove it." i mean ffs dude Spunky Psycho Ho posted:I should believe the denials of people doing illegal things. Got it. Thanks like... that's TRUMP lol
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Moridin920 posted:Do you realize that you're accepting at face value the word of the president and yet saying that the CIA/FBI aren't to be trusted bc they are government? Because he's a new employee, not an entrenched political player?
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Because he's a new employee, not an entrenched political player? lol
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when ever i hear stuff about trump being wire tapped and spied on by obama it just makes me think/reminds me that he is a shady dude with shady friends and acquaintances and should probably be under a lot more scrutiny all the time
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Moridin920 posted:You can't just take what the president says at face value while at the same time going "I'm just too cynical to believe the FBI/CIA when they say anything they have to prove it." Because even before Trump was saying poo poo like this I believed it? What the gently caress are you smoking
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