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Moridin920 posted:Do you realize that you're accepting at face value the word of the president and yet saying that the CIA/FBI aren't to be trusted bc they are government? asked him about how he knows obama wrote that coal/streams EO purely to gently caress with strong daddy, he readily replied he doesn't but he chooses to because he's a "cynic." I support your effort but it's for the benefit of anyone else stupid enough to read our awful posts rather than for Spunky
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Honestly it sounds like Trump is flailing about getting poo poo all done or accomplished and reacting in exactly the way you'd expect a reality TV show clown to react: starting drama poo poo shows on social media over nothing. He hasn't even made his nominations yet and he's at the same time blaming the Dems for slowing the appointment process down like  What's next, he's gonna punch himself in the face on live TV and blame Nancy Pelosi?
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Mar 22, 2017 20:13
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Prorat posted:Incidental - liable to happen as a consequence of (an activity). What a ridiculous claim. What's next, Obama uses the IRS to aggressively audit his political opponents??
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Mar 22, 2017 20:13
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kickascii posted:What a ridiculous claim. What's next, Obama uses the IRS to aggressively audit his political opponents?? Yeah crazy, or wiretap Merkel? Nah he would never!
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Mar 22, 2017 20:15
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World War Mammories posted:dude nunes himself in that article says it looked like incidental collection in which the trump team communicated with the actual targets of the surveillance. and it turns out the targets of said surveillance were a russian money laundering ring operating out of a trump tower penthouse suite three floors below trump's. so uh The surveillance happened during the transition months not 2013.
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Mar 22, 2017 20:15
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Moridin920 posted:Honestly it sounds like Trump is flailing about getting poo poo all done or accomplished and reacting in exactly the way you'd expect a reality TV show clown to react: starting drama poo poo shows on social media over nothing. You're defending government spying lol, good luck with that
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Mar 22, 2017 20:16
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:You're defending government spying lol, good luck with that You're defending a government official denying illegal activity by saying Spunky Psycho Ho posted:I should believe the denials of people doing illegal things. Got it. Thanks like bro hahahahaha
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Mar 22, 2017 20:17
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Moridin920 posted:Honestly it sounds like Trump is flailing about getting poo poo all done or accomplished and reacting in exactly the way you'd expect a reality TV show clown to react: starting drama poo poo shows on social media over nothing. It would still be a more credible accusation than anything I'd trust coming from fuckin CNN or NBC l
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Mar 22, 2017 20:17
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Moridin920 posted:Trump wasn't being wiretapped wrt his election or anything involving Obama or anything else so even if in the pursuit of gathering intel on this money laundering ring they got some incidental communication (which is like, "Hey how are you doing" in the elevator) it has no relevance to anything Trump was talking about whatsoever in his allegations against Obama. You must have a lovely news source. Listen to the actual press conference maybe?
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Mar 22, 2017 20:17
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"Hey, we should definitely give the benefit of the doubt to the state surveillance apparatus"
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Mar 22, 2017 20:18
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:"Hey, we should definitely give the benefit of the doubt to the state surveillance apparatus" Don't you think that since Trump is the POTUS now he should after what 2 weeks be able to come up with loving literally any kind of actual proof of his allegations? Or does he just get to hurl poo poo out there forever and lol we just gotta believe it I guess bc everything else is fake?
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Mar 22, 2017 20:19
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:"Hey, we should definitely give the benefit of the doubt to the state surveillance apparatus" "Hey we should definitely give the benefit of the doubt to Donald Trump, noted retarded manchild"
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Mar 22, 2017 20:20
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T.S. Smelliot posted:It would still be a more credible accusation than anything I'd trust coming from fuckin CNN or NBC l Bro you can't accuse someone of doing something then claim it is true based on some of the people who doubt it is true are untrustworthy as well like.... what the gently caress? What kind of dumbfuck logic is that? You make an assertion, the burden of proof is on you. It's not up to everyone else to disprove it or else it is true lol.
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Look just because he authorized the NSA to wiretap Angela Merkel doesn't mean he would use this money laundering activity to wiretap Trump during the transition period. And its just a coincidence that he signed a bunch of lovely orders right before he left office to make Trump "look bad" (with the help of the media). And he definitely wasn't bombing 7 countries when he left office, no sir!
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Mar 22, 2017 20:20
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Moridin920 posted:Don't you think that since Trump is the POTUS now he should after what 2 weeks be able to come up with loving literally any kind of actual proof of his allegations? Sorry, I don't believe the state surveillance apparatus, feel free to believe them yourself though.
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Mar 22, 2017 20:22
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Prorat posted:Look just because he authorized the NSA to wiretap Angela Merkel doesn't mean he would use this money laundering activity to wiretap Trump during the transition period. And its just a coincidence that he signed a bunch of lovely orders right before he left office to make Trump "look bad" (with the help of the media). And he definitely wasn't bombing 7 countries when he left office, no sir! please do not outdo me in being an insane conspiracy theorist that's my turf
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Mar 22, 2017 20:22
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that psycho ho sure is spunky
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Mar 22, 2017 20:23
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I'ma break this down bc I enjoy dunking on local forums idiot Prorat;Prorat posted:Look just because he authorized the NSA to wiretap Angela Merkel doesn't mean he would use this money laundering activity to wiretap Trump during the transition period. It doesn't, because standard foreign surveillance activity (that every country engages in let's not be dense) has nothing at all do to specifically wiretapping a political opponent in order to... do what exactly? What did Obama do to Trump that was sooooo bad? Prorat posted:And its just a coincidence that he signed a bunch of lovely orders right before he left office to make Trump "look bad" (with the help of the media). Oh I see, you're butthurt about something that literally every outgoing president does. But, OBAMA right? Prorat posted:And he definitely wasn't bombing 7 countries when he left office, no sir! What loving relevance does this have to anything you're talking about right now? Nothing. OBAMA right? Can you even keep an argument coherent for more than 2 sentences or what lmao
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Mar 22, 2017 20:23
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World War Mammories posted:oh, really? hum, my mistake. I guess the proper phrasing is "person of interest"? Maybe but I'm not sure if he actually committed a crime. If he lied about not having ties with Russia during sworn testimony it may be a crime but I'm not sure if that happened. Plus there have been other politicians who have lied under oath and gotten away Scot free. Either way it probably won't affect Trump much cause he fired the guy but the optics are bad and it plays into the Trump is a Russian Manchurian candidate conspiracy theory that people are desperate to push.
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Mar 22, 2017 20:23
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Because he's a new employee, not an entrenched political player? lol, white dick in this guy's mouth STAT!
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Look, here's the problem. You have two choices: Believe the intelligence community. or Believe Trump. Neither source is inherently trustworthy. Therefore, who the trust ultimately becomes a matter of whatever you want to believe. That's the problem.
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Mar 22, 2017 20:24
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Tallgeese posted:Look, here's the problem. No actually it's much simpler. The person making a positive assertion has the burden of proof. Trump is accusing Obama of X. Until Trump has proof of X, I don't believe it. I don't have to believe either one or the other, that's a false choice. Just because someone you don't like also doesn't believe X, that doesn't by default now make it true.
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Mar 22, 2017 20:24
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Moridin920 posted:No actually it's much simpler. The proof is Obama's history of being a horrible, immoral human being.
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Mar 22, 2017 20:27
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Moridin920 posted:No actually it's much simpler. Naw, I don't have to, or want to be inclined, to believe the state spying apparatus. I don't have to give them any doubt.
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Mar 22, 2017 20:27
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Krustic posted:Maybe but I'm not sure if he actually committed a crime. If he lied about not having ties with Russia during sworn testimony it may be a crime but I'm not sure if that happened. Plus there have been other politicians who have lied under oath and gotten away Scot free. Either way it probably won't affect Trump much cause he fired the guy but the optics are bad and it plays into the Trump is a Russian Manchurian candidate conspiracy theory that people are desperate to push. I'm pretty sure I've been careful not to claim that any poo poo I spout will ever Matter, because this cloak of nihilism will protect me from the rising seas and falling radioactive material also not a lawyer, of electoral law or anything else, but I think that the lobbying isn't illegal, as you say - but not reporting it is, eg. Flynn and being paid for lobbying for Turkey. "it's not the crime, it's the cover-up" or something like that. Prorat posted:The proof is Obama's history of being a horrible, immoral human being. ok I'm not gonna pretend that obama deserved his peace prize or whatever, but uh, are you sure you aren't describing trump
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Prorat posted:The proof is Obama's history of being a horrible, immoral human being. No it isn't  Sorry but c'mon you can't say you're a good cynic and then have such shoddy arguments based on feels. It goes both ways too: I don't believe Trump has real ties with Russia (beyond just normal business activities) until I see some actual evidence. I don't like him but that in of itself is not evidence of anything.
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Naw, I don't have to, or want to be inclined, to believe the state spying apparatus. I don't have to give them any doubt. Bro I didn't say you did. Read. quote:I don't have to believe either one or the other, that's a false choice. Just because someone you don't like also doesn't believe X, that doesn't by default now make it true. who says you have to believe one or the other? Stop trying to make everything into a "my team their team my side is better."
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Moridin920 posted:No it isn't You should definitely give the benefit of the doubt to sociopaths that are illegally spying on you 24/7.
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:You should definitely give the benefit of the doubt to sociopaths that are illegally spying on you 24/7. This is now the 3rd time you've made the same post but just reworded and all 3 times you've totally ignored my point in favor of just saying the same thing again so I'ma just stop replying on this topic tbh.
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Prorat posted:Look just because he authorized the NSA to wiretap Angela Merkel doesn't mean he would use this money laundering activity to wiretap Trump during the transition period. And its just a coincidence that he signed a bunch of lovely orders right before he left office to make Trump "look bad" (with the help of the media). And he definitely wasn't bombing 7 countries when he left office, no sir! Look man he won the Nobel Peace prize he was an upstanding peaceful man!
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World War Mammories posted:I'm pretty sure I've been careful not to claim that any poo poo I spout will ever Matter, because this cloak of nihilism will protect me from the rising seas and falling radioactive material Bombed more people/countries than Bush
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Mar 22, 2017 20:31
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Moridin920 posted:This is now the 3rd time you've made the same post but just reworded and all 3 times you've totally ignored my point in favor of just saying the same thing again so I'ma just stop replying on this topic tbh. Because my point is, gently caress them. I don't care if Trump is wrong in this particular case. They are spying on him, and you, and me. We're all wiretapped. Oh no, did he offend Obama??? God forbid
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Person making an assertion has the burden of proof. Just bc you dislike their opponents doesn't suddenly mean everything they say is true.Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Because my point is, gently caress them. I don't care if Trump is wrong in this particular case. They are spying on him, and you, and me. We're all wiretapped. Oh no, did he offend Obama??? God forbid Why didn't you just say that then? If that was your point it was pretty drat buried.
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World War Mammories posted:I'm pretty sure I've been careful not to claim that any poo poo I spout will ever Matter, because this cloak of nihilism will protect me from the rising seas and falling radioactive material Obama was like, the dude in charge of the people who expanded the surveillance state in the US, so, like, idk?!
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USSAr posted:Obama was like, the dude in charge of the people who expanded the surveillance state in the US, so, like, idk?! yep, he totally was, and it's really hosed up and bad
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Mar 22, 2017 20:33
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You people need to watch the Jimmy Dore Show and learn to be real progressives.
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Trump: I"m being wiretapped! Liebrals: Lol crazypants again Wikileaks and the Techworld: So like, the US government can literally spy on you through a TV now. Liebrals: (Can't put two and two together)
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Mar 22, 2017 20:35
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Moridin920 posted:"Bad man accused other bad man of something, other bad man is bad therefore IT MUST BE TRUE!" ...yes, that happens all the time. Even journalism is basically a user confidence-based industry. I was describing how the vast majority of people operate. Hell, you've probably done the same thing if it's convenient enough.
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USSAr posted:Trump: I"m being wiretapped! All I'm saying is that you'd think as the leader of the US government Trump would be able to produce literally anything in defense of that statement. You guys are giving him too much credit anyway lol, he doesn't give a poo poo about mass surveillance that isn't what this is about and he's not gonna do poo poo about the NSA spying on us all.
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