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Condiv posted:basicallly, ignore the problem instead of fix it (cause we think it doesn't matter). too bad dems don't think any of their problems matter, and hence they put out retarded poo poo like this what is this video's message? it's message is to ask people to think about donald's healthcare plan it provides no information about donald's healthcare plan it shows images of what we I assume are people selling their cars and their wedding ring to pay for their kid's treatment (but it leaves this up to the viewer to infer!?) problem #1: encouraging free thought is good, but in a political ad, you want to sell a thought. you want to sell your party's ideology, not ask people to generate one for themselves. are you idiots? problem #2: the bad actions that we're supposed to associate with donald trump's healthcare plan is something people already have to deal with under obamacare and could be associated with the status quo. oops! problem #3: show don't tell is good for movies, not so much an advertisement where you want people to come to a specific conclusion. as i mentioned before, the scenes of people selling their poo poo? some people may not make the connection you're wanting them to make. some may have an entirely different interpretation of your ad! that's good for movies, we want people to be able to interpret stories as they see fit. it's not good when you're trying to convince people to your side, in that case you want people to see things your way.
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mcmagic posted:Nothing the DNC did mattered in the outcome of the primary. They aren't nearly that competent. True, but that makes the cheating even dumber. People who tarnished their party's own image for, let's see uh no reason, in the run-up to the most important election maybe ever shouldn't even be running a student council election campaign let alone a major political party. Dr. Fishopolis posted:I agree the whole thing is lovely but: True, the DNC in fact has no duty to the voters at all. It's a private organization and it would be within its rights to change the rules at the convention, throw out the primary results, and bind all the delegates to vote for Katy Perry, if they wanted. That doesn't mean, however, that it would be a good idea or that voters would reward them with the presidency anyway.
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Mar 22, 2017 15:07
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I wonder how many millions of dollars that commercial cost
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Mar 22, 2017 15:14
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Condiv is gonna love this: http://thehill.com/homenews/media/325160-chelsea-clinton-to-get-lifetime-achievement-award
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mcmagic posted:Condiv is gonna love this: The nightmare never ends. I saw this bumper sticker here in Texas:  gently caress OFF
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Frijolero posted:The nightmare never ends. Jesus Christ, democrats want to be ruled by dynasties! Why? Why do Americans crave monarchy
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mcmagic posted:Condiv is gonna love this: i mean, it feels like the wind up to a senate run to me, but who knows, maybe she really helped a lot of inner city schools with the healthy schools program or something. i really don't know anything about what she did in there other than she's vice-chair of the board of directors
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mcmagic posted:Condiv is gonna love this: Chelsea Clinton is many things. A journalist, director of the IAC/InterActiveCorp which owns two dozen dating websites including OkCupid and Tinder, a published children's book author, has worked hard enough to earn an award for "advance a new model of integrating interfaith and cross-cultural education into campus life." She honestly earned a doctorate in international relations and a master's in public health, though. I am sure both of those mean that Chelsea Clinton earned her Lifetime Achievement Award from Variety for working for her work for Alliance for a Healthier Generation, which says "SPONSORED BY THE CLINTON FOUNDATION" at the bottom with a really nice logo, by working hard from the bottom up. That must be the case, because if it were important, the linked article would have mentioned it. I am sure that by the time that 2020 rolls around, she will be qualified in this manner in so many things that you'd have to be a Trump loyalist to question any of it.
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quote:According to Variety, Clinton is being honored "for her work with Alliance for a Healthier Generation, which empowers kids to develop lifelong healthy habits." 1) Sorry but no one in their 30s deserves a "lifetime achievement" award for anything. 2) While an admirable goal, Chelsea isn't mother Theresa for getting kids to drink juice instead of soda. 3) poo poo like this is why half the country gets its news from Breitbart. gently caress you Vanity.
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Condiv posted:basicallly, ignore the problem instead of fix it (cause we think it doesn't matter). too bad dems don't think any of their problems matter, and hence they put out retarded poo poo like this You were saying "the DNC should be investigated" like they committed some sort of crime. Being a lovely private organization that sucks is not a crime. I'm not forgiving them for anything, I'm telling you there's nothing to investigate because they didn't break any laws.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:You were saying "the DNC should be investigated" like they committed some sort of crime. Being a lovely private organization that sucks is not a crime. I'm not forgiving them for anything, I'm telling you there's nothing to investigate because they didn't break any laws. they violated their own charter which demands they remain neutral during a primary there are a lot of people in the dem base pissed about that. it's not an uncommon sentiment that bernie was cheated. we need an investigation to find to what extent that is true and how to prevent it in the future so people don't lose all faith in our party (like they are currently with its new lovely leadership) i mean, the dem party is currently bleeding popularity: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/democratic-party-favorable-rating as you can see, 50% of the nation doesn't view us favorably a little less than 40% like us. the trends are for the people who view us favoribly to continue to shrink, and those who hate us to grow. that's bad. that's real loving bad especially when you stack us up against trump: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/donald-trump-favorable-rating loving donald trump is more popular than the dem party donald loving racist imp grab em by the pussy trump is more popular than the democratic party. and people HATE trump. Condiv fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Condiv posted:they violated their own charter which demands they remain neutral during a primary One, not gonna help the party's numbers. Nobody outside of a few die-hard bernie supporters cares in any meaningful way about it, and of those that do care about it those that want an investigation are wholly outweighed by the ones who accept the DNC's resistance to an outsider campaign as the price of running an outsider campaign. The best case scenario is that it's a total waste of everyone involved's time. The worst case scenario is that the fishing expedition turns up something right wing media can run with for a few more years to distract from Trump's ongoing shitshow. Two, the people running the investigation will necessarily be high-ranking DNC types. What do you want to bet they find they committed no wrongdoing.
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Ze Pollack posted:One, not gonna help the party's numbers. Nobody outside of a few die-hard bernie supporters cares in any meaningful way about it, and of those that do care about it those that want an investigation are wholly outweighed by the ones who accept the DNC's resistance to an outsider campaign as the price of running an outsider campaign. The best case scenario is that it's a total waste of everyone involved's time. The worst case scenario is that the fishing expedition turns up something right wing media can run with for a few more years to distract from Trump's ongoing shitshow. no, letting people we know lied and hosed with an election remain in leadership positions within the dems will certainly help our numbers. making sure people know we're blatantly corrupt and unwilling to do anything about it to will certainly attract people in droves to the democrats. Condiv fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Pelosi on Anderson Cooper We're doomed. Democrats gonna sit on their hands in 2018 and hope the people vote against Trump instead of putting forth an actual plan and messsage.
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Frijolero posted:Pelosi on Anderson Cooper Remember when BI NOW was defending Pelosi 
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Frijolero posted:Pelosi on Anderson Cooper Yeah i say our revolution is going to have to work as a parelal organization against the dnc.
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Frijolero posted:Pelosi on Anderson Cooper Oh my god She is so bad 
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I like that the grown-rear end woman with 14 years of leadership roles within the party can't even name herself as a leader because she's done gently caress-all.
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Pelosi's job isn't one that lends to being a party standard bearer but lol at her a. Not even mentioning sanders and b. Listing two people who have disappeared since the inauguration as the standard bearers
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Mar 22, 2017 17:36
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Barack Obama is still a leader of the Dems" *camera pans to obama wake boarding and then having cocktails on a white sandy beach*
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Barack Obama is still a leader of the Dems" Really hope that what ever happens in 2018 she is out.
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I can't watch at work but did she really say Clinton was a standard bearer for the party? Obama, even though he's basically disappeared, I can understand since he was a president and still popular.
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Radish posted:I can't watch at work but did she really say Clinton was a standard bearer for the party? Obama, even though he's basically disappeared, I can understand since he was a president and still popular. Yup. Well, she stuttered and basically racked her brain for an answer and then blurted out the names of those two losers
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Yeah I can GET Obama because he's a massively popular President and rode in a wave in 2008 so that at least makes sense. Clinton was a Senator a decade ago and failed twice to run for president. If that's the best they have, yeah it's not looking too rosy. It's also worrying that "who is a standard bearer of the party?" apparently isn't a concern that enough that she had a prepared answer, especially when the DNC plan seems to be hope that they can get elected with a candidate on image alone. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Frijolero posted:Pelosi on Anderson Cooper
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Radish posted:Yeah I can GET Obama because he's a massively popular President and rode in a wave in 2008 so that at least makes sense. Clinton was a Senator a decade ago and failed twice to run for president. If that's the best they have, yeah it's not looking too rosy. Indeed. Obama has an opportunity to rehabilitate his legacy among left-Dems, but he has to, you know, show that he gets why the Dems lost in 2016. (and publicly back effective solutions to reverse that upset) And he can't ever be the standard bearer again. He's an ex-president. His actual career in office is over. He can be a kingmaker, and I hope he becomes one by openly endorsing left-economic populism going forward. But Hillary Clinton...holy poo poo. I've been disappointed with Pelosi on a lot of different occasions in the past, but I don't think I've ever heard her give such an outright stupid answer. Majorian fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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readingatwork posted:1) Sorry but no one in their 30s deserves a "lifetime achievement" award for anything. They hosed up in the original article: the hill posted:— Editor's note: This story originally stated Chelsea Clinton was to receive a “Lifetime Achievement Award.” It has been corrected to state that Clinton will receive an "Impact Award" from Variety in partnership with Lifetime.
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Majorian posted:But Hillary Clinton...holy poo poo. I've been disappointed with Pelosi on a lot of different occasions in the past, but I don't think I've ever heard her give such an outright stupid answer.
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Kilroy posted:The "we are capitalists, okay" was probably worse, at least within the context of what she'd just been asked. Ehhhh, maybe, but I can understand that a little bit more. While "We are capitalists" was a really bad answer, I can understand the Dems needing to say, "We're not socialists or communists," even though they should be moving in that direction, platform-wise, if they want to win a presidential election ever again. In this case, though, there's just no excuse for giving "Hillary Clinton" as an answer. There is no better way to communicate "We learned nothing from 2016" to the base.
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SouthShoreSamurai posted:They hosed up in the original article: I want to get an award for being rich Where do I sign up?
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I wasn't defending the article. I was thinking the same thing he thought, "What the hell has Chelsea Clinton done to deserve a lifetime achievement award?!"
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SouthShoreSamurai posted:They hosed up in the original article: that explains it though i'm not sure doing what the government should be doing for us in a sane system deserves an impact award
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Condiv posted:that explains it Because we are not a sane country, and we worship people who fix with the left hand what they've destroyed with their right. Just look at the billionaires Democrats look up to. gently caress, look at Bloomberg who they so warmly welcomed at the convention back in July, who exploded NYC's homeless population and we're supposed to believe and get others to believe that democrats care about the less fortunate. That's why the Democrats have a credibility gap KomradeX fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Majorian posted:Ehhhh, maybe, but I can understand that a little bit more. While "We are capitalists" was a really bad answer, I can understand the Dems needing to say, "We're not socialists or communists," even though they should be moving in that direction, platform-wise, if they want to win a presidential election ever again. But yeah it's a close call. It's tough with Pelosi figuring out what the most tone-deaf boneheaded thing she's ever said is, because there is so much to choose from.
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I mean She's Not Wrong if Sanders comes out and says this in his big "why I'm a socialist" speechquote:I don’t believe government should own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a fair deal. when even our socialists are capitalist, I don't know why everyone's up in arms over "We Are Capitalists"
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You know that aoot of socialists think coops should ownbthe means of production right?
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I mean She's Not Wrong if Sanders comes out and says this in his big "why I'm a socialist" speech Do you really think anybody is going to fall for this dumb attempt at equivocation when you know and I know and we all know that Bernie and Pelosi are talking about two entirely different things here?
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yeah, it's DSA's position too. Here's what Bernie's said on the topic: quote:we need to provide assistance to workers who want to purchase their own businesses by establishing worker-owned cooperatives so Apple's market cap of 600 billion, divided by 66,000 employees... just $9m a worker!
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I mean She's Not Wrong if Sanders comes out and says this in his big "why I'm a socialist" speech because when asked how the party was gonna move left, she said "we are capitalists". that moving left to someone like bernie sanders anymore wouldn't be possible because he's not capitalist, he's socialist
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