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Sponge Baathist posted:Is NieR open world? Skip this post I'm thinking about getting it but still not 100% sure I'd actually play it. If I pissed away $60 on a game I don't play I'd feel bad. I don't know anything about the series either. I'm looking for world adventure not hallways and one-way doors to traverse. I've been scratching at the surface of Shadow Warrior games for the funny protagonist but I'm not playing it that much because the world isn't that spectacular despite being oftentimes scenic it is held back by the conspicuous (in)visible walls and one way thresholds. I can't answer to NieR, I think it is pretty open, as in you can sort of decide where to go, not sure. But I will say I was really craving an open world adventure after Witcher 3, and I believe the game you want is Horizon, if you have a ps4. I'm not terribly far in yet, but it hooked me much better than NieR for what I was looking for. I'll go back to NieR later, it still seems like a good game. e: you have played Witcher 3, right? If not that's absolutely what you want. I remember finding the first tutorial area was okay, the game didn't fully grab me until the first few big quests in the main area, but it was so good it's basically ruined almost everything else I've tried to play since Drunk Driver Dad has a new favorite as of 09:20 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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I recently picked up the latest Hitman game because it was on sale, and man, that game is like Little things: the game. Tons of NPC have different reactions to your disguises. For example when you dress up like a doctor, a guard goes: "what's up doc" and then giggles to himself because he thinks he's the funniest man in the world. There are also guards that block off sections of the map, and when you try to get in, they give specific reasons why you're not allowed instead of repeating one line forever. "No hotel staff allowed on this floor buddy". Also when you do get caught trespassing, instead of opening fire like every other video game, they tell you you're trespassing and to follow them. They will then escort you to the nearest exit. Just like security in real life would do  . And the thing I liked most (very very minor spoiler of the Sapienza mission): There's this mission in an Italian manor, and the protagonist recently lost his mother. His mother had a special spaghetti recipe and the dude has been bugging his cook about recreating it. So far, his cook hasn't succeeded and he gets scolded for it. So when you infiltrate the kitchen area, you get the chance to cook his special spaghetti sauce. If you just cook the sauce, the protagonist will get mad and tell the cook that he's worthless. However, if you wander around you can find some expired cans of spaghetti sauce. If you dump those in the sauce, he loves it and tells the cook that it's just like his mother's secret recipe  .
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Mar 22, 2017 09:56
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Dark souls is a pretty go comparison but the world feels bigger. It's definitely not as open as mgsv or the new Zelda but it's not that linear either.
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Mar 22, 2017 15:17
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shut up blegum posted:And the thing I liked most (very very minor spoiler of the Sapienza mission): Either I'm misunderstanding you, the main character has split personality disorder, or protagonist doesn't mean what you think it does.
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Mar 22, 2017 16:24
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rydiafan posted:Either I'm misunderstanding you, the main character has split personality disorder, or protagonist doesn't mean what you think it does. By protagonist I mean the character you're supposed to kill, not the player character.
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Mar 22, 2017 17:57
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shut up blegum posted:By protagonist I mean the character you're supposed to kill, not the player character. That's not what "protagonist" means. Agent 47 is the protagonist.
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Mar 22, 2017 18:20
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Gotta say, I bought a bunch of the trophies in Nier Automata, and even as someone who's a huge trophy whore I still feel the urge to go back and play some more, and I wonder if I should've just played to get the trophies instead. I mean the Emil battles would've been a giant pain in the rear end, but...still. That game has some chops.
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Mar 22, 2017 18:24
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Inco posted:That's not what "protagonist" means. Agent 47 is the protagonist. Yeah Yeah I know. But still, the whole mission is about killing that guy, so he's kinda the protagonist right 
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Mar 22, 2017 18:31
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Morpheus posted:Gotta say, I bought a bunch of the trophies in Nier Automata, and even as someone who's a huge trophy whore I still feel the urge to go back and play some more, and I wonder if I should've just played to get the trophies instead. If you played the first Nier, the second Emil fight is absolutely worth your time.
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Mar 22, 2017 18:41
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No. You play as Agent 47, he's the protagonist. The target is, what, more of an antagonist? Even though 47 is doing the antagonizing, it's the target that he is in conflict with in the confines of that mission.
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Mar 22, 2017 18:44
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shut up blegum posted:Yeah Yeah I know. But still, the whole mission is about killing that guy, so he's kinda the protagonist right antagonist [an-tag-uh-nist] noun 1. a person who is opposed to, struggles against, or competes with another; opponent; adversary. 2. the adversary of the hero or protagonist of a drama or other literary work: Iago is the antagonist of Othello.
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Mar 22, 2017 18:45
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I can't really call many of the targets antagonists, since there isn't any conflict between them and 47. I've only finished Sapienza myself, and the only antagonists I see are the head of the ICA (because he seems to have a real problem with 47), and that dude who only ever appears in cutscenes. They're just targets.
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In shut up blegum's defence I've come across debate on this topic lots of times. Not sure where it comes from but at some point there must be teachers who use a much more vague definition about who drives the story or who it's centred around and it muddles what otherwise should be a straightforward idea of who the main character is because you could look at Silvio Caruso and go "wellll, this story wouldn't be happening without him and his virus right?"
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Blind Sally posted:No. You play as Agent 47, he's the protagonist. The target is, what, more of an antagonist? Even though 47 is doing the antagonizing, it's the target that he is in conflict with in the confines of that mission. I would love to see a Hitman mission where you have to kill an objectively good person. "Alright 47, your target here is the heir to a shipping company. He's been using his wealth to fund various charities in third-world countries and has recently expressed interest in giving 99% of his considerable assets away. His wife finds that unacceptable, so you're being sent to kill him during a fundraiser at a wildlife sanctuary of he's been funding for the past 2 decades."
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Mar 22, 2017 18:57
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If this is a spoiler then so loving help me god
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Mar 22, 2017 18:58
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shut up blegum posted:Yeah Yeah I know. But still, the whole mission is about killing that guy, so he's kinda the protagonist right So is the briefcase the protagonist in Pulp Fiction?
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Mar 22, 2017 19:26
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I've seen only a smidge of NIER Automata but it's pretty Zelda-y. It's not corridors 24/7, you have a large area to travel around before you get to a mission area that story and boss events happen in. So, they're pretty decently sized areas to go through but you're not walking through a hallway throughout it.
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Mar 22, 2017 19:36
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Oxxidation posted:If this is a spoiler then so loving help me god It's an inconsequential, non-plot-related bonus battle.
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Mar 22, 2017 19:41
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Even if I never get around to beating Zelda because it starting to get old (currently doing a few little things in bursts, but there are other things I want to play) I can at least say I've defiinitely got my money's worth, considering the amount of time I've sunk in. That's just the problem though, it's feeling like a sink. I'll probably keep going back to it, but its been like a month since I got it and it's getting samey...
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Mar 22, 2017 19:52
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Morpheus posted:It's an inconsequential, non-plot-related bonus battle. Oh thank Christ. I was worried because I love my freakish undying skeleton son and making him the final boss of the game is absolutely the sort of horrid poo poo Yoko Taro would pull
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Mar 22, 2017 19:54
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BioEnchanted posted:Even if I never get around to beating Zelda because it starting to get old (currently doing a few little things in bursts, but there are other things I want to play) I can at least say I've defiinitely got my money's worth, considering the amount of time I've sunk in. That's just the problem though, it's feeling like a sink. I'll probably keep going back to it, but its been like a month since I got it and it's getting samey... In a game like that, much like MGSV, if things are feeling "samey" then it's usually the fault of the player. Not to sound like a dick but if you only keep doing the same type of things then of course you'd get bored.
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Mar 22, 2017 19:57
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Welp, sorry I started this derail. But think about it, is the guy that nobody notices and might as well be a ghost really the protagonist here 
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shut up blegum posted:Welp, sorry I started this derail. Yes. The answer is, "yes." Everyone is the hero of their own story and the game is from 47's point of view so he is the protagonist. If you played as someone else, that person would be the protagonist. Look at MMOs. Every single player who is playing their own characters is their own protagonist, while everybody else is a side character or antagonist. So, you are your own protagonist, but your friend across the state who plays with you is his own protagonist. It's subjective.
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Mar 22, 2017 20:07
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Aleph Null posted:Yes. The answer is, "yes." 
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Mar 22, 2017 20:22
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Since I didn't say it while nitpicking your grammar, that pasta story was cool and good, shut up blegum. Does the spoiled sauce work to kill the target, or is it just a funny easter egg?
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rydiafan posted:Since I didn't say it while nitpicking your grammar, that pasta story was cool and good, shut up blegum. Does the spoiled sauce work to kill the target, or is it just a funny easter egg? It eventually makes him get sick and wander off to a secluded area to throw up. Makes for an easy sneaky murder. As much as I love Hitman 2016, the AI NPC reactions to your disguises were a little off on some of the levels. Case and point Marrakesh. After posing as a Swedish masseuse to kill the first target, wandering around the streets of Morocco every Joe Schmo in Marrakesh recognized Konny Engstrom, apparently world famous masseuse. Despite being a foot taller and looking absolutely nothing like the dude I knocked out 
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:It eventually makes him get sick and wander off to a secluded area to throw up. Makes for an easy sneaky murder. Well in the original game nobody notices that one of the Chinese triad members is suddenly a 6'2" Westerner.
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Kennel posted:Well in the original game nobody notices that one of the Chinese triad members is suddenly a 6'2" Westerner. 
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"Me Chinese, me play joke." -Agent 47 to himself after successful booby trap assassinaton
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shut up blegum posted:Welp, sorry I started this derail. I know what you mean though. In a lot of video games, this one included it sounds like, the narrative centers on someone else and you're kind of playing as the guy who takes the trash out afterwards. The story as you experience it and the story that the game tells to you are about different people
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Guy Mann posted:"Me Chinese, me play joke." Uh, I'm pretty sure peepee in Coke would only work as an emetic poison at best 
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It depresses me that the concept of a "protagonist" seems so difficult to grasp.
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One of the things I like about BotW is the memories you find of the protagonist, princess zelda.
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Blind Sally posted:It depresses me that the concept of a "protagonist" seems so difficult to grasp. I can understand a grown man or woman being told "protagonists are the goodies, antagonists are the baddies!" when they're a kid and just never really revisiting that because they think books are for nerds or whatever. But to be gently corrected and then get into a debate over it, never once just googling what the gently caress it means even though a bunch of people are telling you you're wrong, suggests a pretty hilarious amount of over confidence. What else must have fallen through the gaps over the years and been protected by overblown ego?
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It was pretty easy to grasp what they were getting at even if it's not technically correct, each scenario in Hitman is its own story, into which 47 wanders to kill someone who generally is the principal character of that story. Also this: shut up blegum posted:Yeah Yeah I know. But still, the whole mission is about killing that guy, so he's kinda the protagonist right 2house2fly has a new favorite as of 11:44 on Mar 23, 2017 |
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TontoCorazon posted:Breath of Wild is so full of small things. The thing I love about this video is that it taught me about the magic of octo balloons. I really do feel like Nintendo just discovered the concept of a physics rag-doll engine, and they just went to town on the game with this idea. A little thing I just discovered recently is that if your having trouble catching up to a horse - you can freeze it solid with ice arrows. Sadly you cannot mount the frozen beast because I guess you would slip off? Oxxidation posted:I was worried because I love my freakish undying skeleton son and making him the final boss of the game is absolutely the sort of horrid poo poo Yoko Taro would pull Same.
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scarycave posted:A little thing I just discovered recently is that if your having trouble catching up to a horse - you can freeze it solid with ice arrows. Sadly you cannot mount the frozen beast because I guess you would slip off? Can't you also use stasis on them?
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Horizon Zero Dawn does a fantastic effort accounting for your past efforts in conversations. Quests have different dialogue for you already having an item on hand (rather than generic "I'm back, here's your macguffin off a dead robot"), and many will refer to you differently depending on where you are in the story and what you've done already story-wise. One of the main story questlines has a few extra lines in a conversation if you've already progressed far enough in the other first, just to deliver a warning of the events from it. Even the quests in the Sacred Valley (the starting region) will respond to Aloy differently in the endgame run of the story, referring to her as Anointed instead of Seeker.
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Yakuza 0 there's a sidestory where you encounter a high school student missing his pants. it's called 'Rise of the Dragon' and i kinda  at the title bc i thought the translators were being cheeky. as you get further into the story, you find out someone's been mugging high school kids for their pants. when you meet the culprit, he looks like a grown man walking around with an elementary school backpack. the big twist is that the man is actually a kid and he's big for his age. he beats up highschoolers because they pick on his classmates. when you give the student back his pants, he rounds up his friend to beat up the kid, unaware of the twist. you think you're gonna have to fight a bunch of thugs when you return to the kid but it looks like he took care of himself. when the students ask the kid his name he says, 'Ryuji Goda.' Ryuji Goda is Kiryu's rival in Yakuza 2, and his title is 'The Dragon of Kansai.' Rise of the Dragon. 
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Action Tortoise posted:Yakuza 0 His name (Ryūji) also contains the kanji for "dragon" (龍) so it's dragons all the way down.
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