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mall boutiques are usually run by super shady companies and staffed by the migrant laborers they bring over from like Israel and they make their living by harassing and scamming people so I lose no love for them I wish I could remember where I read this at but it's apparently super far illegal and exploitative of labor who knew
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 20:19 |
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call to action posted:Lol you think that most dead malls are in places that people want to redevelop I guess it depends on the area. Most the malls around Atlanta that are dying will actually get redeveloped and then the residents will be charged 80% of the neighborhood average income meaning the malls that are about to be abandoned will be replaced by abandoned apartments/condos in 15 years.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 20:21 |
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call to action posted:It's a bad thing because these malls killed Main Street, and now there's nothing left in these towns. Older malls in particular used to bring in a lot of tax money, too, before developers got smart with PIFs and made the shoppers pay for it all. I used to live one county over from Nowata, Oklahoma, which became infamous for being one of the first towns that was destroyed by Wal-Mart. They moved a shopping center into the area, which wiped out all of the mainstreet businesses - but after a decade they decided that there wasn't enough of a consumer market to support the store - so they closed up and left the economy in complete ruins. It took another decade before businesses came back to mainstreet, but by then the town was already half depopulated. When the malls start shutting down the same thing is going to happen to rural towns all across the country.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 20:26 |
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payless shoes has such limited selections and you can find way more things online for cheaper and better looking sandals and heels also if brick and mortar stores are closing, even more low skill labor will be replaced by automation such as inventory and shipping for online places so you're going to have a bigger displacement of labor forces in the upcoming decades. trucks will be self driving to different online retailer warehouses, which is self automated and dispenses its inventory accurately into different sections and loaded onto the trucks by robots imo dont save the malls, malls are a blight on the land
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 20:35 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I used to live one county over from Nowata, Oklahoma, which became infamous for being one of the first towns that was destroyed by Wal-Mart. They moved a shopping center into the area, which wiped out all of the mainstreet businesses - but after a decade they decided that there wasn't enough of a consumer market to support the store - so they closed up and left the economy in complete ruins. It took another decade before businesses came back to mainstreet, but by then the town was already half depopulated. Its good because they are all sexist racism monsters.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 20:37 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The main thrust of this thread is that hundreds of thousands of jobs are gonna be lost and there won't be any replacements. Ah. Agreed. Hopefully they will learn the ways of GMI/UHC and St Bernard.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 20:37 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I used to live one county over from Nowata, Oklahoma, which became infamous for being one of the first towns that was destroyed by Wal-Mart. They moved a shopping center into the area, which wiped out all of the mainstreet businesses - but after a decade they decided that there wasn't enough of a consumer market to support the store - so they closed up and left the economy in complete ruins. It took another decade before businesses came back to mainstreet, but by then the town was already half depopulated. So everyone is gonna live in a big city? Good. :demsay:
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 20:52 |
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resar posted:Its good because they are all sexist racism monsters. Imagine how hosed they'll be when they close the racism factories.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 20:54 |
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The Brown Menace posted:So everyone is gonna live in a big city? Good. Yep, and then you get Denver which has absorbed every person with a single shred of will to live within 1,000 miles of crushing rural poverty, pushing the cost of housing even in undesirable areas to stratospheric levels
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 20:58 |
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Lastgirl posted:payless shoes has such limited selections and you can find way more things online for cheaper and better looking sandals and heels this, except the automation is armies of temps, with additional contractors to remove the bodies of those who die while working. they will all be unpaid interns, working for a chance to get hired for the single paid position available each month.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 21:17 |
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call to action posted:It's a bad thing because these malls killed Main Street, and now there's nothing left in these towns. Older malls in particular used to bring in a lot of tax money, too, before developers got smart with PIFs and made the shoppers pay for it all. Now you say that but do you actually care to save the malls then Because I suspect on some level you're on team Die Malls Die
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 21:45 |
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Nebakenezzer posted:Now you say that but do you actually care to save the malls then the malls the?
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 21:48 |
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has anyone posted "shave the balls" yet?
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 21:48 |
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I was just about to
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 23:56 |
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Lolling how the mall was invented by a austrian jew who wanted to capture the organic feel of old european cities but ended being turned into a grotesque american concept.
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# ? Mar 22, 2017 23:59 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The real reason nobody goes to malls is that wages have been stagnant for decades, and nobody wants to finance consumption through credit any more. Capitalism is hollowing out its own consumer base, meaning more and more of our energies are being directed towards servicing the desires of the capitalists who stole our wages to begin with. If malls survive it'll be because they're renting out space to churches or commercial interests. could it not just be that people don't like going to the mall anymore
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 00:00 |
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Badger of Basra posted:could it not just be that people don't like going to the mall anymore Why would you like going to the mall if you can't afford to shop?
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 00:02 |
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Badger of Basra posted:could it not just be that people don't like going to the mall anymore Stuff like Amazon prime pretty much destroyed the concept
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 00:02 |
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etalian posted:Stuff like Amazon prime pretty much destroyed the concept yeah but that's a different explanation than "malls are dying because everyone is poor"
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 00:06 |
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It's pretty insidious how online retailers try to emulate impulse purchases with things like "people who bought this item also bought THESE:"
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 00:07 |
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mall sucks and im glad he's dead
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 00:11 |
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gently caress malls, just raze them and let wildlife flourish over it
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 00:16 |
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etalian posted:Lolling how the mall was invented by a austrian jew who wanted to capture the organic feel of old european cities but ended being turned into a grotesque american concept. guess what else was invented by an austrian jew and turned into a grotesque american concept
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 00:17 |
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The Brown Menace posted:guess what else was invented by an austrian jew and turned into a grotesque american concept psychotherapy?
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 00:19 |
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The Brown Menace posted:guess what else was invented by an austrian jew and turned into a grotesque american concept Supply Side Economics
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 00:25 |
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dead malls? no, ed balls
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 00:25 |
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Sbarros. When you want pizza at the mall but you have to settle for that greasy-rear end garbage.
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 01:17 |
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i saw a free-standing Sbarros once and it really changed how i think about the world
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 01:39 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I used to live one county over from Nowata, Oklahoma, which became infamous for being one of the first towns that was destroyed by Wal-Mart. They moved a shopping center into the area, which wiped out all of the mainstreet businesses - but after a decade they decided that there wasn't enough of a consumer market to support the store - so they closed up and left the economy in complete ruins. It took another decade before businesses came back to mainstreet, but by then the town was already half depopulated. rural depopulation's been a thing for a couple generations now
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 01:54 |
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The Muppets On PCP posted:rural depopulation's been a thing for a couple generations now Rural depopulation has always been coupled with the prospect of earning urban employment. That was the whole point going all the way back to the English Enclosure Laws, when communal lands were effectively stolen by the aristocracy so peasants would be dispossessed and forced to work in urban factories. It was a miserable, squalid existence but they could at least eat (some). That's not going to happen this time. We're in an economic crunch and the jobs just aren't there anymore. Maybe you can cook the books and create incentives for more low-level low-paying work like Obama did, but it's just not going to be enough. This isn't the inevitable march of progress towards urban concentration, it's an unemployment crisis.
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 02:34 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:This isn't the inevitable march of progress towards urban concentration, it's an unemployment crisis. yeah because agricultural jobs have largely been mechanized over the past half century, and the ones that aren't are mostly poo poo handled by migrant workers or prisoners dying malls has gently caress all to do with why people are leaving the sticks
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 02:36 |
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The Muppets On PCP posted:yeah because agricultural jobs have largely been mechanized over the past half century, and the ones that aren't are mostly poo poo handled by migrant workers or prisoners Maybe those century long processes aren't relevant to what's happening in the present, is my point.
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 02:38 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Maybe those century long processes aren't relevant to what's happening in the present, is my point. they absolutely are the one thing that made living in rural areas possible for working people i.e. work has largely disappeared
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 02:53 |
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The Muppets On PCP posted:they absolutely are There isn't anything to live on in the urban areas either.
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 02:55 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:There isn't anything to live on in the urban areas either. That's just flat out not true. You can make a point about rent rates being too high or something but there's jobs in the cities
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 02:57 |
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dump lol
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 03:00 |
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:That's just flat out not true. You can make a point about rent rates being too high or something but there's jobs in the cities quote:https://medium.com/@Brookings/americas-male-employment-crisis-is-both-urban-and-rural-60078600e83b#.gv1gcxen8 This is all within the context of the economy generating 15 million (poor quality, low pay) jobs during the Obama administration. If mall closures are coupled with another market crisis, the knock-on effects could be catastrophic, at a time when major cities still cannot contend with their already existing unemployed population - and several cities have contracted due to industrial decay. I don't think I need to remind this thread that, if such a crisis does hit, who is in power right now and what their politics are.
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 03:27 |
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so do you think the government should be subsidizing malls as a jobs program or what
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 03:27 |
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Badger of Basra posted:so do you think the government should be subsidizing malls as a jobs program or what The better solution would be to just have the government make jobs that service the public, but if it really came to that then sure why not. Russia has several "model cities" left over from the Soviet era which they're still subsidizing, because otherwise market forces would wipe them out and create an internal refugee crisis.
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# ? Mar 23, 2017 03:29 |
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hey look at that, the employment rate of prime working age men in rural areas is significantly lower than everywhere else, and unemployment among the same cohort has risen in cities because that's where those people are moving how bout dem apples
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